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yea. with their 4 stoneforge they can get the jitte faster . I play mindcensor in my deck, but he would just pro white or green get counters and kill off my mom. revolker would just shut off my knight or any other creature I need at the time. mirrian just smashes me lol. it suckedQuote:
Originally Posted by Machahiko
thanks. just trying to get a idea on how to start dark maverick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister M.
@AlbyLegacy: Sunyveil has a pretty good grasp of Dark Maverick. I run one of his old lists with slight modifications, although the changes to his current list like running a third SFM and Sword of Feast and Famine to combat BUG (and maybe Jund) make sense.
Thanks. Deck looks good. No main Thalia do to the thoughtsieze? Thalia has always been so good for me. Any reason why not play her main?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I've put my Maverick back together (had to wait on the 2nd Korean Scavenging Ooze is why :laugh:), here's my list:
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Fauna Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 GSZ
2 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Savannah
2 Forest
1 Plains
4 Windswept Heath
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Wasteland
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
1 Maze of ith
1 Dryad Arbor
/61 cards
SB / 14 cards
meta slots based including
O-ring
Path to Exile
Elspeth / Thrun / Sigarda
Life from the Loam
Anti-storm
Anti-GY
etc
I'm trying out a new main/SB strategy of 61/14 since I've always considered Maze of Ith the 61st card. In cases of going against combo, I can easily board it out and remain at 60 making it more likely to see hate cards. Against fair decks, I can keep the 61 card configuration due to the high tutor count and still have good answers.
The easiest way to deal with D&T is just Punishing Splash - until they land RiP and even after you just kill all creatures, also E.Plague on Humans (yes if you splashing also black) its worth if you don't run Thalia or Zelous Perseciution can give and edge over them.
Yea. I think I might go with the black splash. Its just feels more versatile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal
@koby I think the regular noble Hiearch build is not a top tier deck without the black splash because in a control meta as of today, Deathrite Shaman creates a quick clock for anyone who is facing him. The black splash is definitely the way to go if someone is going to pick up this deck and take it to a big tourney.
@Koby: I would definitely run a MD Teeg as GSZ target.
That said, I do think that DRS is necessary in the current meta, even if it just comes down to battling opposing DRS. This card is just a silly powerhouse. A sole Linvala, Keeper of Silence isn't going to change that.
Edit: I'm also kinda interested in Punishing Dark Maverick, as Fatal put it.
Dark Maverick has the better combo match-up thanks to discard, while Punishing Maverick is better against creature swarms. Combining them to deal with the weaknesses of both sounds intriguing, although the required mana base probably needs to be extremely greedy.
Basically, a MD Punishing Maverick with strong, black transformational sideboard for discard (most likely a combination of Thoughtseize and Therapy), AD and E-Plague. Since the decks you bring in discard normally don't run Wasteland, the mana base could work out.
@Fatal: What's your experience with your variant so far? How did Life from the Loam work for you? Is there a reason why you didn't run Sword of Feast and Famine along your 3 SFM? Connecting with a SoFF powers up your Oozes and Punishing Fire engine quite a bit.
Here's my latest build of Dark Maverick:
Sunyveil (4-0)
Legacy Daily #5798552 on 08/12/2013
Main Deck
60 cards
2 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Marsh Flats
1 Maze of Ith
1 Plains
3 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
24 lands
2 Birds of Paradise
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Gaddock Teeg
3 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
1 Noble Hierarch
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Stoneforge Mystic
22 creatures
1 Batterskull
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
2 Thoughtseize
1 Umezawa's Jitte
14 other spells
Sideboard
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Duress
1 Engineered Plague
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Master of the Wild Hunt
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Zuran Orb
Loving it thus far, 11 matches in and still undefeated. The biggest update is the increased Stoneforge package, which helps when games go long. I cut the hand disruption in half because I was drawing too much of it, but as of now I'm fine with the occasional discard spell. SoFaF is only in the list for its protection vs. Deathrite colors, because those decks are everywhere.
Master of the Wild Hunt :D my tech against Deathrite decks. Can't even be killed by Abrupt Decay!
I think the list is exactly where I want it for the current metagame, there aren't any changes I'd make atm.
Also, I stream Legacy when I have the chance, follow me at www.twitch.tv/Sunyveil :D
I just threw a Dark Punisher list together by making a hybrid between Sunyveil's and Fatal's list. It's just a rough draw without testing, so certain things need to be hammered out/tweeked. But I think it's a good starting point:
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Verdant Catacombs
3 Savannah
1 Plateau
1 Taiga
1 Scrubland
1 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Plains
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Mother of Runes
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Punishing Fire
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Engineered Plague
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Duress
SB: 2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
As you said I like versality between MD heavy anti-creatures / middle range deck with Punishing Fire and very strong SB options - personally I like much more Cabal Therapy since you don't loses to random cards in combo MU - you loses to That Card - so simple think which is That Card in current game stage and name it - if you miss - you don't lose, if you get it - you also don't lose - that how it works. - I also added 2 MBT against turn 1 combos since you also need to win game 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
@about wastelands - Maverick is still second the most pernament mana source deck (after Elves) - you running 8 mana dorks (counting GSZ) so not playing for set of wastelands is in my opinion mistake - I would rather cut some cute lands like Maze of Ith or Canopy then wasteland - it just too damn important, for example:
Starting with Dork/dual and wasteing turn 2 with bringing a thread is probably the best way to win in fair MU - if he waste your dual - he just do it wrong since you just play a thread and waiting for his duals with your wasteland - simple resources war like Tempo RUG. Adding Turn 2 KotR which gives you every turn wastelands is probably what you always want.
@about equipments - I don't like SoFF since discarding most useless card from opponent hand for 5 mana risking removal is always not great in my eyes. It doesn't works good vs Decay - since he can just decay the Sword, Jitte is cheaper - sure it doesn't gives any disruption but gives a speed/life or/and - removal. Same for Batterskull - I run it bacause it just say - kill my 1/2 buddy or I get free thread.
@about life from the loam - I like this card MD for 2 reasons - wastelock with really big card advantage - like endless 1/1 dude which can't be decay'ed (Dryad Arbor :), suffling effect for library, resouce ending proof - thats all first reason. Second is it is an fastest engine to makes punishing fire going online. So why only single copy if its so good - you only need 1 of it, more over its not your basically line play - changing to control creature removal, with resource attraction can be gamebreaking for some decks (for example death & taxes).
So here is what I came up with for the dack+ punishing version.
/ Deck: maverick (60)
// Lands
2 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Plateau
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Taiga
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
// Creatures
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
// Spells
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Life from the Loam
3 Punishing Fire
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
4 Thoughtseize
2 Umezawa's Jitte
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Originally Posted by Barook
Great idea.
My head is spinning from all the 3-ofs. I need some coffee...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Either they're pretty good numbers (like SFM, Punishing Fire) or you can tutor for most stuff. Whether 4 Moms or a 3 Mom/1 Safekeeper split is better is up debate. As I said, it's just a rough, untested draw and changes are likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
@AlbyLegacy: Running MD discard and AD along Punishing Fire seems extremely greedy.
Since when does maverick need removal bad enough to dump thalia to the board for clunky PF?
Since DRS is spreading in the format like cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombstalker
Thalia is pretty situational to downright bad in certain match-ups. Dumping her to the board can be quite justified.
Year it is greedy. I figured Jund does it. So might as well try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Jund doesn't run white, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbyLegacy