Nice! I remember playing vs a Rhino Fit deck a month ago or so, the games were insanely grindy.Quote:
Originally Posted by solnox
My carpool buddy is gone for two months, so I don't know how often I'll be making up on Tuesdays for a while :(
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Nice! I remember playing vs a Rhino Fit deck a month ago or so, the games were insanely grindy.Quote:
Originally Posted by solnox
My carpool buddy is gone for two months, so I don't know how often I'll be making up on Tuesdays for a while :(
You have me at everything but the # of draw spells vs creatures. I can't justify running 7, that seems insane. Maybe I'm just not used to that playstyle. Since I'm a fan of tops (both of the female chest and sensei's divine variety), please enlighten me on why you run 4x [draw spells] where I usually run more creatures. I'm open to your perspective. I think I'd rather have DL Dromoka and some utility folks (Liliana of the Veil, Qasali, Sakura, Nissa, Courser, Witness #2, Teeg). Maybe there's something in having so many P. Truths and S. Library I don't understand. I also think Scrying is better than Truths, as it gets better the longer the game goes (Scrying for X is greater than 4 is backbreaking, yet attainable in grindy games).Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
I won't comment on SB cards since that's very subjective. Again, Surgicals have been money for me.
EDIT: I'm also a big fan of Baneslayer. She's incredible, just like Garruk R
@Arianrhod- I am glad that you agree with me about Courser. I am trying to give the viewpoint that certain cards are not worth the slot. If people want to try to distort what I am saying into some person attack I am sorry about that. You are right that people will play what they want but the point of a forum is to hear feedback.
Truths is a better card than scrying. 3 mana for 3 cards is a better rate than scrying. Having to exile cards can be an actual cost in a very permanent heavy. Instant speed is not worth a lot when the majority of the deck is sorcery speed. The game plan of nicfit is to grind games out. Having multiple avenues to trade life for cards is important to the junk version. The overlap of Card quality that top and sylvan provide compared to raw cards that library and ptruths give you is a nice way of digging through the deck for the core. The deck list posted will have a rough game 1 vs speed/combo decks but the fact that you have so much digging for rhinos/toolbox cards probably means most midrange decks cannot keep up with your threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warden
1 of the ways that Nic fit loses in top deck wars is that you get your 1 pay off card countered/removed and then tempod out. refilling with that list looks very simple.
Hello everyone. I've been here lurking for a while, finally decided to post. I've been wanting to build some version of Nic Fit for awhile, and Eternal Masters kicked the Legacy fever up in my area so I finally decided to pull the trigger. At the moment there is just a handful of us playing Legacy between rounds at FNM or jamming games on Saturdays, but hopefully once the community grows we can start having some events. The current meta is something like this: one guy can have any single blue deck together at a given time (currently on Shardless) and has MUD and Burn as well. Another guy has D&T, Burn, Elves!, and Solidarity. We have a Goblins player, a Punishing Jund player, yet another Burn player, two people on Eldrazi Stompy, and someone on Storm. I based my list off of one I saw on here, and it still needs some work I think. Here's what I've got:
4 veteran explorer
1 deathrite shaman
1 sakura-tribe elder
1 scavenging ooze
1 glissa, the traitor
1 eternal witness
1 meren of clan nel toth
4 siege rhino
1 spiritmonger
1 sigarda, host of herons
1 baneslayer angel
4 green sun's zenith
3 sensei's divining top
1 abzan charm
1 painful truths
4 cabal therapy
3 path to exile
1 diabolic intent
2 pernicious deed
3 abrupt decay
1 karakas
1 phyrexian tower
2 bayou
2 savannah
1 scrubland
3 forest
2 plains
2 swamp
4 verdant catacombs
3 windswept heath
2 pithing needle
1 deathrite shaman
2 surgical extraction
3 thoughtseize
1 gaddock teeg
2 ethersworn canonist
2 golgari charm
1 qasali pridemage
1 grave titan
The Grave Titan is going to be one of the new Sorin once SoI comes out. It was a bit of a pet card to begin with, but it did feel strong against Jund. The Abzan Charm is something that I just put in the deck recently, I haven't gotten to test it yet but I like the capability to be a 4th PtE when I need it and 2/3rds of a Painful Truths when I need that. The thought of saving Sigarda/Rhino from Deluge makes me smile too. The Diabolic Intent has been really hit or miss, as has the Baneslayer. Intent I never seem to have a Vet for, and Baneslayer is let down by not being GSZable.
Anyway, those are my present notes. I wish I had some decent game information to type up but my data pool is not very large yet. Goblins seems rough (Krenko is terrible if I'm unable to answer him immediately) and Jund feels pretty even. Those could both be my own inexperience with the deck though. The others are all either in the process of finishing their decks or I just haven't had time to jam games yet.
I am done playing rhino fit until they fix miracles.
See you all on the other side.
What, is it bugged on MTGO?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I didn't think you were personally attacking anyone at all -- and it's always wise to make sure that people have reasons for the cards they're running, not just "because lol. I just don't like blanket statements, is all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom4ik
Them "fixing" Miracles likely involves us losing Top, so, not sure what you're looking for there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I'd be fine with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
I can assure you that literally nothing is going to be done. Just wear enough pieces of flair and try your hardest out there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Because you need to refill in a counter-heavy metagame. Many times, you go into topdeck mode and then get single threats removed or countered. It's almost why I'm always on the fence with Sylvan Safekeeper, since he helps push Rhinos down Miracles' throats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warden
Baneslayer is honestly, truly, madly, deeply, the nutter butters. However, there's just no gosh-darn slots. Ideally, I'd run another 2 Baneslayer, Garruk R, and the new Sorin (and an Intent). But honestly, the room, we do not have it.
-Matt
Everytime I play miracles, they have the t4 jace and the force to counter my removal. then they counter everything till I land a threat and then boom instant speed 1 cmc board wipe. I can't stand it. its soul crushing and not worthy of my time. Until the piece of shit is fix, im gonna go play GB 8 post. happy rhinoing.
There goeth our high priest...
It's OK, our lord and savior Siege Rhino still loves you. His warm embrace awaits you when you returneth to us.
Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on the door this past Easter weekend. I was SO close to asking them "Have you heard about our lord and savior Siege Rhino"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
@Matt: More card draw in a counter-heavy makes sense but idk...then I feel I don't have enough business/creatures. Here is a hypothetical 16 that I still think could benefit from DL Dromoka, Witness #2, Gaddok, and Sakura. I want all the things!
2 Deathrite Shaman
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Courser
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
3 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
2 Baneslayer Angel
I actually want all the things, as well. I can't decide if my next car is going to be a vintage Ferrari, or to go with something more sensible like a Cobra kit car and bank the rest. Decisions, decisions ;)
The last time Jehovah's Witnesses came to my door was two years ago, when I happened to be listening to this gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Kqz49tQB8 turned way up. They haven't even come near my house since. It's fuckin great.
My solution to the slots issue in Rhinos is to shave out the spot removal. That opens up enough room for roughly all of the things. As I've explained before, I prefer to bias towards more sweepers anyway. If I have 5-6 sweepers in my deck, I don't really feel compelled to run spot removal on top of that, which gives me a couple extra slots to fit in all of the bombs and draw that I want.
I hate to use this out of satire but whenever I play miracles, I feel triggered. I suddenly don't care about the match anymore and want to move on. Within my own mind, it is the most overpowered, unbalanced deck in the format.
I wonder what matchs that are not good for us, this week will begin testing the deck and would like to know a little more about.
I playing Rhino Fit, but still do not know whether with or without red (SG).
Thanks for the help.
EDIT: Surely it must have been tested, but Thrun does not fit on the deck?
Does everyone on RhinoTime still have trouble with Miracles?
I really wanted to play it the other day but it was the Miracles matchup that kept me off it. The meta at the small tournament ended up being:
3 D&T
3 Miracles
2 Eldrazi
Infect
Deathblade
Cloudpost
I played Food Chain. Didn't do so great, but considering the meta was 25% Miracles... still feel like Rhinos wouldn't have been the right choice.
My idea was to cut down on Vets and play lots of Sorins in the board, plus Carpet of Flowers. Is that in line with what others are doing, and does it work? The meta is so fair right now that going over the top is really appealing... but Miracles is still a consistent player.
Nic Fit Top 8 in CFB 3k
http://cfbgamecenter.wpengine.com/le...-top-16-lists/
Yes he posted a report here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diogo37
Nice list. Great work.