[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

With this hand you easily win through one FoW! You have to Combo turn One if possible against miracles on the draw.
I would play like this:
Land, petal, tap land for R, rite RR, crack petal for B, ritual BBBRR, cast LED, play wish BBB in pool:
1. It gets countered because he is afraid of token, then infernal , crack LED for RRR, EtW for 16
2. It resolves, wish for PiF, play infernal crack LED, make Tokens, if infernal gets countered, wait for PiF.
Usualy the opponent plays like option 1, because of fear of our wishboard.

All this infernal into etw scanarios are wrong cause etw gets sided out vs miracles.

And yes, I think I made a mulligan there.

I played ant last sunday in magdeburg/germany and won all games against miracles with empty - sometimes 6-10 dudes during turn 1-2 seal the deal,forcing the opponent to find terminus in 1-2 turns which is nearly impossible.
TES plays silence which is also very powerful here as it can be cast in resp to a miracle trigger to actually "counter" it.
So i would leave empty in against miracles for sure.
It shouldn't be the plan a,fact.



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Originally Posted by Omega87

With this hand you easily win through one FoW! You have to Combo turn One if possible against miracles on the draw.
I would play like this:
Land, petal, tap land for R, rite RR, crack petal for B, ritual BBBRR, cast LED, play wish BBB in pool:
1. It gets countered because he is afraid of token, then infernal , crack LED for RRR, EtW for 16
2. It resolves, wish for PiF, play infernal crack LED, make Tokens, if infernal gets countered, wait for PiF.
Usualy the opponent plays like option 1, because of fear of our wishboard.

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Wish resolves (because you didn't crack the LED). Seriously, no one counters that Wish. You have no mana to cast Empty. If you grab something else, they can still counter that. I fail to see why one would ever counter that Wish in that situation. And like Togores says, even if it does get countered, Infernal cannot find you Empty because you side that stuff out against Terminus.dec. At least, that's what I would do. So the four mana after Infernal doesn't help you continue.

The bait burning wish would be more convincing if you kept the LED in your hand and had BBR in the pool. If the case is that you sided Tendrils in over Empty, a straight past in flames loop is available. waiting seems bad.

Yeah I guess the turn 1 unprotected attempt seems the only way.

The only proactive alternative I see is to go Land (rainbow I hope), Petal, Rite, Wish (from Rite mana) and get a discard spell. Cast that and hope he doesn't have both Force and a hate permanent. This line is probably even more of a suicide attempt than just throwing your hand on the table and ask whether he has the Force. :rolleyes:

the chance of having at least 1 fow in an opening hand is ~40%, considering you won the first game it is a reasonable risk (chances of having fow in the opening hand 2 times in a row is ~16%).

However this is when magic requires poker skills - try to read you opponent :) (this is ofc easier in local events, but anyway...)

Kinda similar to belcher i admit.
Sometimes i just ask my opponent: "do you have force of will?" And your opponent will tell you if he has one,just pay attention to his behaviour ;-)
This question is sometimes a 50% gitaxian probe,kind of.




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Plus if he forces theres a chance that he is pitching his Counterbalance or Meddling mage to do so. You might have time to rebuild in this match if there is no CB in play. Punish them for filling their deck with awful white cards.

They call it cowboy magic, look them in the eye and make them have it.

Recently im not satisfied with D. Returns. It occured several times i had to combo because otherwise changes to win quickly decrease. In those situations goblins arent an option. It feels like playing russian roulette and the storm engine has not been good to me. I wonder if there exists a likewise engine (reforge the soul?) I must admit that i dont account for situations with a gaurenteed kill by an iggy loop, since i dont play that card in my Sb.

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Originally Posted by R3D

Recently im not satisfied with D. Returns. It occured several times i had to combo because otherwise changes to win quickly decrease. In those situations goblins arent an option. It feels like playing russian roulette and the storm engine has not been good to me. I wonder if there exists a likewise engine (reforge the soul?) I must admit that i dont account for situations with a gaurenteed kill by an iggy loop, since i dont play that card in my Sb.

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Sounds like using DimRet in the wrong situations. Can I ask for like 3 specific scenarios in which you HAD to play DimRet recently which sculpted your impression?

P.S. I'm planning to write an article about sequencing spells (see/hear too many mistakes) and strategic planning of turns/working towards engines, in the near future.

Most of the time dim ret is just a better iggy,if you have enough mana left after dim ret you can just chaining new rites and rituals and wish for the tendrils.cantrips in the new 7 cards can get protection or business as well.
Notice that you can cast dim ret and prepare a kill for the next turn if you need your lands for it.



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1) Start Cockatrice
2) Play against a random SFM.dec
3) Cast Burning Wish
4) Reveal Acquire
5) Watch People ragequit
6) laugh

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Sounds like using DimRet in the wrong situations. Can I ask for like 3 specific scenarios in which you HAD to play DimRet recently which sculpted your impression?

P.S. I'm planning to write an article about sequencing spells (see/hear too many mistakes) and strategic planning of turns/working towards engines, in the near future.

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Vs sneaky show. He was almost ready to combo. Not enough storm for lethal had multiple leds. I silence him and resolve a D returns while floatin 1 or 2 blue 1 black 1 red. Miss on cantrips and tutor.

Vs miracles. Not sure what happened anymore. I found a window while i expect a cb to be casted next turn. Silence got countered and no therapy to protect the goblins from terminus. Flooded not enough mana and D returns Filled his hand with countermagic and clique.

Hmm this will probably not be specific enough.

Thanks in advance

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Originally Posted by R3D

Vs sneaky show. He was almost ready to combo. Not enough storm for lethal had multiple leds. I silence him and resolve a D returns while floatin 1 or 2 blue 1 black 1 red. Miss on cantrips and tutor.

Vs miracles. Not sure what happened anymore. I found a window while i expect a cb to be casted next turn. Silence got countered and no therapy to protect the goblins from terminus. Flooded not enough mana and D returns Filled his hand with countermagic and clique.

Hmm this will probably not be specific enough.

Thanks in advance

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Casting DimRet against a non-Silenced Miracles opponent isn't likely to win you on the spot. Was this pre or post-SB? DimRet is usually not the engine of choice against Miracles.

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Originally Posted by R3D

Vs sneaky show. He was almost ready to combo. Not enough storm for lethal had multiple leds. I silence him and resolve a D returns while floatin 1 or 2 blue 1 black 1 red. Miss on cantrips and tutor.

Vs miracles. Not sure what happened anymore. I found a window while i expect a cb to be casted next turn. Silence got countered and no therapy to protect the goblins from terminus. Flooded not enough mana and D returns Filled his hand with countermagic and clique.

Hmm this will probably not be specific enough.

Thanks in advance

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You give Miracles a fresh grip without Silence and wonder why DimRet don't get you there? Depending on what game/turn it was I would rather made a handful of Goblins without investing all my resources

2 Mana floating is likely to fail you,you'll need +4 mana and burning wish for the tendrils,the chance to hit 3 specific cards is not high enough.
I would rather build goblins against miracle and hope not to walk in the terminus trap.

Against sneakshow you can even combo off after he did already,no problemo.
Collect more mana to increase the chances to chain after dimret.



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Originally Posted by sawatarix

2 Mana floating is likely to fail you,you'll need +4 mana and burning wish for the tendrils,the chance to hit 3 specific cards is not high enough.
I would rather build goblins against miracle and hope not to walk in the terminus trap.

Against sneakshow you can even combo off after he did already,no problemo.
Collect more mana to increase the chances to chain after dimret.



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I think also the type of mana floating is also relevant here. Some choices are just worse than others. I think there has been calculations done on amount of mana available, but that was for an older iteration of the deck. I've found that having UBR floating to be fine in most cases. When in doubt, go with UB though as U gives you chances through cantrips where as BR has much less versatility, although R is probably a necessity at this point. Like sawatarix said, having only two (2) available colours decreases your chances significantly.

Also, note that I say available mana, as lands can count as available mana, while floating mana only implies mana in the mana pool. DR is much stronger when you can play a land.

Thanks for all the replies! Ill think about my d riturns useage a little more :).
About the sneaky show match: i was 4 mana floating. :) maybe that was just bad luck. I should however take in account that i can combo after he combo'ed. I was scared of the cardadvantage griselbrand provides since he would be able to kill me at once with sneak attack.
Vs the miracle m/u i indeed had to build goblins. When i took a peek at his hand i saw cb and terminus (without Bs effect). Shouldve taken the risk of going the goblin route since the opponent then had to invest resources to set up terminus.

I personally use dimret more often than other players do.
Against certain decks its important to grind them out,like ant does.i collect a ton of mana,1-2 silences and wish for dimret/or pif if it works.
And chain spells for the win.

Therefor silence and orims chant are really important in my TES build compared to discard spells.


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