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Warping is indeed one of the best card for this deck. How many copies do you play? I'm currently blocked on 2....I'd like to play 3 of them (also 4 if I had more room) but having already 1 pyroclasm and 2 kozilek's return limit the need of the first warping option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zotmaster
I'm running a full four copies right now. Not sure if that's right but I figure for a card like that, the best way to figure out its usefulness is to run all four and see how happy I am to draw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morden
Another use I found for Warping Wail's 3rd mode: put a token into play vs Dredge and immediately sacrifice it to exile all copies of Bridge from Below.
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This post is about the UG build:
Endbringer didn't excite me in my flex slot. Maybe Wurmcoil Engine gets another chance, since it should be good against almost all non white, non combo decks and really helps against lilly decks (Jund). Will also try Thought-Knot Seer, seems interesting to me since it provides a super CIP effect, fits the curve and can be tutored. Not sure about Warping Wail so far... Would love to play it, but no idea what to cut? (my list is a few pages back)
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube
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Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube
Also Exiles Ichorid, so it won't return.
I have this configuration in my ug build:Quote:
Originally Posted by Postman
MAIN
1 emrakul
1 old kozilek
2 platinum emperion
4 titan
SIDE
1 nulamog
1 wurmcoil
1 endbringer
basically the big guys in sideboard repleace the 2 emperion when they are useless.
bug,jund,aggro loam: -2 emperion, +nulamog , +wurcoil
white deck: -2 emperion, +nulamog, +endbringer (draw effect is always nice, against StP wurmcoil is useless; endbringer's second ability can stop a big mentor)
elves: -1 emperion, +endbringer
infect: -1 emperion, + endbringer
burn: -1 emrakul, +1 wurmcoil
storm: no creature change (or like burn)
of course it depends on your configuration, but I think endbringer it's not bad, can really help with some matchups.
For those of you on the fence about Warping Wail (and just as a quick reference for those who are already on board), I made a list of as many relevant things it does as I could think of. (Hint: it's a lot.)
Relevant creatures it exiles:
Deathrite Shaman
Young Pyromancer
Dark Confidant
Vendilion Clique
Stoneforge Mystic
Phyrexian Revoker
Flickerwisp
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Painter’s Servant
Inkmoth Nexus
Noble Hierarch
Glistener Elf
Blighted Agent
Baleful Strix
Xantid Swarm
Delver of Secrets (unflipped)
Snapcaster Mage
Monastery Swiftspear
Grim Lavamancer
Dryad Arbor
Pretty much everything in Elves except Nettle Sentinel and NO targets
Goblin Lackey
Goblin Piledriver
Metalworker
Ichorid
Nether Shadow
Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy
Spells it counters:
Hymn to Tourach
Thoughtseize
Inquisition of Kozilek
Cabal Therapy
Duress
Maelstrom Pulse
Past In Flames
Infernal Tutor
Dark Petition
Terminus
Entreat the Angels
Council’s Judgment
Show & Tell
Reanimate
Exhume
Time Spiral
Ancestral Vision
Through the Breach
Chain Lightning
Lava Spike
Natural Order
Glimpse of Nature
Green Sun’s Zenith
Life from the Loam
Gamble
Vindicate
Ponder
Preordain
Burning Wish
Living Wish
Transmute Artifact
Uses for Scion token:
EOT for mana ramp
Surprise chump blocker
Response to edict effect
Surprise attacker vs open planeswalker
Sac to exile Bridge from Below
Let me know if I missed something!
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Also exiles:
Veteran Explorer (not that the Eldrazi deck is too worried about Nic Fit)
Mother of Runes
Dryad Arbor
Academy Rector (if it sees play anywhere any more)
Hey y'all!
Here's my Mono Green 12Post list, would love feedback.
Lands:
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
3 Vesuva
2 Thespian's Stage
3 Verdant Catacombs
Creatures:
4 Primeval Titan
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
Spells:
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Crop Rotation
3 Ancient Stirrings
3 Candelabra of Tawnos
3 Trinisphere
4 Pithing Needle
4 Expedition Map
Planeswalkers:
3 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
SB:
4 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Rest in Peace
1 Savannah
1 Glacial Chasm
3 Krosan Grip
2 Creeping Corrosion
1 Dark Depths
1 Trinisphere
What do you guys think?
About to go live for some post-OGW 12-Post on Cockatrice! Set sail for fail! I'll also try to stream a bit again tomorrow.
http://www.twitch.tv/zotmaster
Went 6-1 tonight. Thanks to any and all of you who watched!
A few thoughts:
Warping Wail is definitely legit. I have zero doubts about that whatsoever. It's a rare day where you have high expectations for a card before it's released, and it meets or even exceeds them. I had a hilarious match against LED Dredge today where I was sitting on two forests, two Crop Rotations, a few Loci, and a Warping Wail in hand. Couldn't have been happier. Complete and utter ruin ensued.
I didn't play a lot of conventional decks today: the closest commonly seen decks were MUD, iPainter, and Lands. I actually 2-0'd the Lands player, which was a pleasant surprise.
This brings me to Kozilek, the Great Distortion. I'm still not 100% sure what to think of him. I had a draw 5 and a draw 7 today. Against a Smallpox player he countered both Innocent Blood and Liliana of the Veil, prompting a concession. Yesterday he stopped Swords to Plowshares, which also won me a game. I had a game where I specifically tutored for him. Yet I boarded him out in several matchups. Uncommon decks or not, there were several matchups where he just didn't do anything. So he was very strong when I needed him, and other times it was a no-brainer cut. I kind of feel like he's stronger against fair decks in general, although he has game against Storm since you aren't completely helpless if you tap out. Again, I'm still not certain.
The million dollar problem right now, for me anyway, is what the hell to do about Magus of the Moon. I have a great deal of difficulty getting rid of him. Spatial Contortion still doesn't seem good because if I draw it after the Magus is down, it's a straight brick unless I also run a Wastes, and I'm not sure that's right, either. Dismember does handle it, but I only have two in the board and it's hard to justify running more than that. All is Dust costs the same as Karn Liberated and doesn't also present its own wincon.
Speaking of Karn, Karn is a slot I'm not sure of, either. I like him a lot: he can win the game by himself, Ancient Stirrings finds him, he's a mana cheaper than Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, and he handles things Ugin can't. He's not fantastic, though, and he can still be bum rushed. I'm still reluctant to run All is Dust there for the aforementioned reasons.
If you fear specifically magus of the moon you could play some bonfire of the damned alongside with a red dual in order to cast it when the magus is not in play. Bonfire is also ridicuolus against painter or dragon stompy since it wipes their boards with little mana investment (even if cast from hand).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zotmaster
It's also a legittimate win condition that could find his place maindeck if someone wants to splash red (I did some years ago).
It doesn't answer Blood Moon itself though.
Another card that can be easily cast under Moon effect and that answers both of them is Chaos Warp, but it can backfire from times to times.
Is no one playing Oblivion Stone anymore? You should try that if you feel that Blood Moon (or Magus) gives you problems. If you need to consider Abrupt Decay matchups, Perilous Vault is an option, I guess.
Your list is perfectly reasonable. Similar to Kassari's build and he tends to do well with the deck. I like that you went up to 3 Ugin. He is almost unbeatable in legacy. As for the sideboard, why creeping corrosion? Do you have a lot of affinity or tezzerator in your local meta? Otherwise I would drop it like it's hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy
Warping my whole deck just to handle Magus is not what I'm looking for: if I did run red, though, I'd rather use something like Punishing Fire or Fire / Ice in a RUG list to handle X/2's, saving Bonfire of the Damned for winning. My mono-green list just has a problem handling Magus, so perhaps a Beast Within or shaving a card or two for additional copies of Dismember would be best.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingtk3
It seems fine as a list, a la John Kassari. It might be a good idea to throw in a Gaddock Teeg in the sideboard: the ultimate hate bear definitely has some strong uses throughout various matchups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy
Any thoughts on Exploration / Horn of Greed (for mono green)?
@MrFoggy: As the gentleman above me said, creeping corrosion is terrible. Add a 4th Krosan Grip? Nature's Claim if you're desperate?
Tried both, hated both. Exploration is like Black Vise in Burn: you need to run 3 or 4 to guarantee one in your opener, and any you pick up after that are almost always bricks that you wish were something else. I also tried Horn of Greed when I was doing creative brews before I had all of the cards for this deck and it also suffers from the same problem of doing absolutely nothing by itself. Perhaps you're a more creative brewer than I am, but I would tell you to stay away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blastoderm
I've played Exploration for 4 years. I've replaced them all with Warping Wail. Never looking back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blastoderm
Do not use Nature's Claim over Grip. At least, not if you want your spells to resolve past a Chalice, which is kind of a thing in Tezz and Stompy.
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Here's one for u Booze - Sinkhole, countered several yesterday. Don't get me wrong though, i'm not as excited about wail, more so with the new kozilek. Most of the time he draws me a hand and wins me the game, if i get to cast him... Not so good off SnT i think, since i'm low on cards most of the time in UG, which is unfortunate really, since I'm running blue right? However, he is better with top in play.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube
Does anyone know what to pitch to Koz for 2cmc in UG post, that would be impressive not mehhhh, like wail, trickbind, moment's peace, phyrexian revoker, etc etc is? Something like 2cmc = If an effect causes you to discard ?, you may draw 2 cards or deal 2 damage or gain 4 life or put 2x 1/1 spawns or ... :laugh: I'm currently running a 0 cmc=2 build so new koz doesn't fit well in there...