[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

Hello guys! I'm slowly converting over from Belcher and I was wondering if there was a way to lower the overall price of the deck? Mostly I'm talking in the sense of the lands, as I already have 4 LEDs from Belcher. Is there a way to run maybe 1 US instead of 2? I'm not trying to completely budget the deck out, just lower the price. As it stands I still have to get:

4 Gemstone Mine
2 City of Brass
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Silence
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Pyroblast
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Thoughtsieze
1 Diminishing Returns

Any tips would be much appreciated, I'm not looking to need the deck finished until July's Legacy open in Baltimore, so I also have some time to get the more expensive cards. Thanks you guys, and I hope to be changing my method of storming off here soon!

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Originally Posted by chainedcurses

Hello guys! I'm slowly converting over from Belcher and I was wondering if there was a way to lower the overall price of the deck? Mostly I'm talking in the sense of the lands, as I already have 4 LEDs from Belcher. Is there a way to run maybe 1 US instead of 2? I'm not trying to completely budget the deck out, just lower the price. As it stands I still have to get:

4 Gemstone Mine
2 City of Brass
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Silence
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Pyroblast
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Thoughtsieze
1 Diminishing Returns

Any tips would be much appreciated, I'm not looking to need the deck finished until July's Legacy open in Baltimore, so I also have some time to get the more expensive cards. Thanks you guys, and I hope to be changing my method of storming off here soon!

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First I would try to buy Bloodstained Mire instead of the much more expensive Blue-Modern-Fetchies. This way you should have 1/3-U-Sea...maybe a half ;)

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Originally Posted by DarkJester

First I would try to buy Bloodstained Mire instead of the much more expensive Blue-Modern-Fetchies. This way you should have 1/3-U-Sea...maybe a half ;)

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Bloodstained more can't get SB Tropical Island. Don't get non-blue Fetches. Start with the Duals. Next iteration of TES is a whole lot more expensive anyways...

Some sequencing questions for my follow stormtroopers out there. I find myself in these type of situations and not knowing the exact line to take

Scenario A -

Against UWR delver game one, opponent was on the draw and has a freshly-casted delver with a tapped Volcanic in play. On your side in the beginning of your second turn, you have a City of Brass and after your draw for the turn you have -

Infernal, Dark Ritual, Gemstone, RoFx2, Cabal Therapy, LED

This hand represents a probably lethal AdNaus or 14 goblins but only if you cast Dark Rit before Cabal, there isn't a way to use the Therapy for protection this turn without exposing the Ritual first. And typically before your instants, you would want to cast your RoFs in order to be able to pay for any Daze effects. How would you sequence here? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by davelin

Some sequencing questions for my follow stormtroopers out there. I find myself in these type of situations and not knowing the exact line to take

Scenario A -

Against UWR delver game one, opponent was on the draw and has a freshly-casted delver with a tapped Volcanic in play. On your side in the beginning of your second turn, you have a City of Brass and after your draw for the turn you have -

Infernal, Dark Ritual, Gemstone, RoFx2, Cabal Therapy, LED

This hand represents a probably lethal AdNaus or 14 goblins but only if you cast Dark Rit before Cabal, there isn't a way to use the Therapy for protection this turn without exposing the Ritual first. And typically before your instants, you would want to cast your RoFs in order to be able to pay for any Daze effects. How would you sequence here? Thanks!

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I would play land.
Then rof
Fow then U can ritual led into empty losing to daze or fow. Or pass turn.
Resolves? Yes the another rof wich is gonna resolve. And led. Wich is most posible gonna resolve.
Now i would look at my sb. To make him think of burning instead of infernal so that we are not black dependent.
Then dr. If he forces. We are fuked. If not cabal on fow and gg.

Other option is if he is gonna force the dr so we comit less.

Land rof
Look at the sb to make him think of bw.
Play dr and win if resolves. Or play rof to make the bw think plan much better. Bur for that playing the 1 st line is better.


Thats my plan.

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Originally Posted by Togores

I would play land.
Then rof
Fow then U can ritual led into empty losing to daze or fow. Or pass turn.
Resolves? Yes the another rof wich is gonna resolve. And led. Wich is most posible gonna resolve.
Now i would look at my sb. To make him think of burning instead of infernal so that we are not black dependent.
Then dr. If he forces. We are fuked. If not cabal on fow and gg.

Other option is if he is gonna force the dr so we comit less.

Land rof
Look at the sb to make him think of bw.
Play dr and win if resolves. Or play rof to make the bw think plan much better. Bur for that playing the 1 st line is better.


Thats my plan.

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Don't cast the second RoF before the Dark Ritual. You can play around Daze with 1 RoF. Follow up with the dark ritual into Therapy. After that you can cast the second RoF. This way, if he FoWs your Ritual you can combo again next turn because you saved the second RoF.

So: land, RoF, ritual, therapy(fow), RoF, led, Infernal(crack led), ad nauseam (BR floating), EDIT: I think creating 16 Goblins is the safer play. This depends on what you saw with therapy, but therapy flashback should take care of their only out: Batterskull.

On a different note, I'm still writing the Day 2 report of GP Paris.

Tom gave a hint, but with that much mana you can chain tutors for additional storm, Dave. It's 16 Goblins then, not 14. Important difference against Batterskull

Land-rite-ritual-theraphy-rite-led-tutor-ad nauseam-(more rites)-wish-past in flames-(a ton of spells)-wish-grapeshot

Empty cant be the right decision here if you can kill your opponent twice instead.



- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

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Originally Posted by sawatarix

Land-rite-ritual-theraphy-rite-led-tutor-ad nauseam-(more rites)-wish-past in flames-(a ton of spells)-wish-grapeshot

Empty cant be the right decision here if you can kill your opponent twice instead.



- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

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You need to find at least 6 more mana + BW with a LED, a DR, a landdrop and 2 RoF already burned to loop with PIF. Depending on what Therapy revealed, EtW isn't unreasonable if you are unwilling to gamble on revealed cards.

You need exactly 4 Mana+ wish for lethal tendrils with an ad nauseam starting with 18 Life !

C'mon that's TES dude.


- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

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Originally Posted by sawatarix

You need exactly 4 Mana+ wish for lethal tendrils with an ad nauseam starting with 18 Life !

C'mon that's TES dude.


- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

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I wasn't the one suggesting Grapeshot rather than EtW ;)

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Originally Posted by sawatarix

You need exactly 4 Mana+ wish for lethal tendrils with an ad nauseam starting with 18 Life !

C'mon that's TES dude.


- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

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There is one thing that excites me more than Grapeshot for infinite, and that is knowing and carrying out the 'safest' kill there is.

I jumped the gun at SCGseattle against maverick. made 12 goblins and immediatly flashbacked therapy blind naming stoneforge. Forgot you can ignore your own graveyard until they cast mystic and then flashback naming batterskull after you swing with the team. #playslowerplaysmarter

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Originally Posted by chainedcurses

Hello guys! I'm slowly converting over from Belcher and I was wondering if there was a way to lower the overall price of the deck? Mostly I'm talking in the sense of the lands, as I already have 4 LEDs from Belcher. Is there a way to run maybe 1 US instead of 2? I'm not trying to completely budget the deck out, just lower the price. As it stands I still have to get:

4 Gemstone Mine
2 City of Brass
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Silence
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Pyroblast
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Thoughtsieze
1 Diminishing Returns

Any tips would be much appreciated, I'm not looking to need the deck finished until July's Legacy open in Baltimore, so I also have some time to get the more expensive cards. Thanks you guys, and I hope to be changing my method of storming off here soon!

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Depends on how competitive you are. If you are just playing with friends, then it doesn't really matter. You can run 2 Volcanic Islands or shock lands. I would also like to point you to the OP where in the older iterations of TES, the deck ran 4x Gemstone Mine, 4x City of Brass, 2x Underground Sea, 1x Volcanic Island, 2x Simian Spirit Guide. Although this may not be optimal now, it is a viable alternative given the casual setting. This could easily win you small local tournaments. The deck is just too powerful. If you were really cheap, with this old land set up, you can easily play pain lands in the space of Underground Sea and Volcanic Island. I would hesitate to play Gitaxian Probe in that list though as that would just be too painful. It's not optimal, but it is cheaper by a lot.

If you are playing more competitively at larger tournaments, then you probably need to get the most optimal lands which include the fetch lands necessary for the deck. I do disagree with Lemnear here though. I think you can easily play Bloodstained Mire without playing the SB Tropical Island. We've survived a long time without it, so I don't see why suddenly it's necessary. It does raise up a good point though. If you have lands in the SB, be careful what your fetchlands are.

You can also easily play -1 Sea +1 City of Brass. Playing Duress over Therapy also isn't that bad.

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Originally Posted by Bahamuth

You can also easily play -1 Sea +1 City of Brass. Playing Duress over Therapy also isn't that bad.

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Having a second Sea to fetch is more relevant than it appears on first sight. You still want a quality fetchland target even after being hit by a Wasteland. (Edit: remember this line for the list update at the weekend)

The reason for playing 4 Therapy was not good enough displayed in this thread? ;P

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Having a second Sea to fetch is more relevant than it appears on first sight. You still want a quality fetchland target even after being hit by a Wasteland. (Edit: remember this line for the list update at the weekend)

The reason for playing 4 Therapy was not good enough displayed in this thread? ;P

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I've been playing with a single Sea for a pretty long time. Not saying it's better, but if you don't want to drop that extra (insert whatever ridiculous price Sea is at now), you can do fine with a City/Fetch.

I think that Therapy is better card overall, but Duress is fine depending on the meta or how much you know about what your opponents decks will contain. They also cost 30ish euro's for a set, that's why I mention them.

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Originally Posted by Bahamuth

I've been playing with a single Sea for a pretty long time. Not saying it's better, but if you don't want to drop that extra (insert whatever ridiculous price Sea is at now), you can do fine with a City/Fetch.

I think that Therapy is better card overall, but Duress is fine depending on the meta or how much you know about what your opponents decks will contain. They also cost 30ish euro's for a set, that's why I mention them.

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+1 to both suggestions.

Team Nijmegen has been playing 1x Sea and 1x Volcanic for a while now, scoring fine results with it.
So it appears to be a possiblity to cut costs. Not saying it's optimal, but it's not terrible either.

The Cabal Therapy also requires a certain amount of play skill to use optimally. Starting TES players might lack that.
Duress is cheaper, and a safer way to go if you are not that familiar with the deck. So indeed also an option to cut costs.

I'm perplexed that we start using budget options for 3€ cards now. It's also a bit of a functional difference here and being inexperienced with the deck isn't an adequate reasoning for running sub-optimal cards which will alter the experience the player will have with the deck. The same is true for all budget options like ideas to run shocklands or a manabase with full gold lands.

I had to witness more than enough players, who dropped the deck before it was propper build and learned, calling it a random lucksack pile, just because they ran bad substitutes and/or misplayed the deck all over with bad sequencing (mana/protection during combo, how to cantrip right with only a few fetches, when to cantrip and when to cast disruption, brainstorm for fixing vs. Brainstorm for protection, etc.)

I sweared, I slap everyone in public running shocklands, but complaining that Ad Nauseam doesn't get him/her there

Thanks for the tips, guys. I don't plan on having a SB Trop seeing that the Mires will be my fetch of choice for now. I'm not too worried about the prices of the therapies(as they go for numerous other decks, and they are only about $15 a piece) I'm more worried about spending $1000 for the mana base alone. I mostly play legacy at SCG Opens.

That Simian Spirit Guide plan seems interesting. Do you happen to have a deck list for one of those style decks?


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