[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

Surprised that there is no ANT decks in GP Denver's top 8.

Any body make top 16 or 32? If so I'd be interested in what you sleeved up for a board.

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I went to Denver and had a very unexciting tournament

Rd 1: Enchantress (1-2) - kind of an awkward match without ETW, as they tend to overwhelm my 2 chain of vapors
Rd 2: Burn (2-0)
Rd 3: Sneak Attack (0-2) -- both games had Turn 2 Griselbrand, once w/ force, once w/ Brainstorm backup. Was close to beating it once, was not the other.
Rd 4: Belcher (0-2) - G1 I keep a pretty grindy hand, he kills me turn 1. G2 I mull to 4 looking for a fast hand and/or one with duress, he kills me turn 2.

I won some packs in the scrub tourney, kinda disappointing overall, though.

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Originally Posted by aaronm678

Rd 1: Enchantress (1-2) - kind of an awkward match without ETW, as they tend to overwhelm my 2 chain of vapors

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Didn't you board the Abrubt Decays against Enchantress?
This is one ot the match-ups I have never lost in the past years, so I am very surprised.

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Originally Posted by Zieby

Didn't you board the Abrubt Decays against Enchantress?
This is one ot the match-ups I have never lost in the past years, so I am very surprised.

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I did, basically G1 it was a race between me getting hellbent and him drawing a tutor or solitary confinement (I run no maindeck outs). My hand was a bunch of rituals + IT + 1 land, I hit land for a couple turns and he hits solitary.

G2 I raced him, G3 the board state was something like:

Choke, Nevermore on Tendrils, Solitary Confinement, Rest in Peace, Aura of Silence, my hand was 2 CoV, some other stuff. Basically, I couldn't generate enough U due to choke, so I needed to bounce RiP to go PiF flash back chain after LEDs, but that put me strained on mana due to aura.

Kind of an awkward match, and I definitely underestimated how annoying Aura was, and there were a few times I probably could have gotten him to crack it.

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Also, on the last game, I was fairly certain I couldn't just pass the turn, as he'd just drawn like 15 cards, so it was fairly likely there were more solitaries and/or shroud effects coming, at which point I was probably dead.

Hey folks, after playing Burning-Wish-Ant with some success I'm now working on a BUG-ANT-List. I have a question for you:
How many copies of ToA would you play in your Sideboard (1 main) to board it in for Matchups where you sometimes need a natural Tendrils? (do I even really need additional copies?)
I'm unsure, because without access to Burning Wish Tendrils would be my only win-condition.

I played a singleton Ethersworn Canonist in my SB at the last weekly I played in. I didn't face the mirror in the actual tournament but I played against a friend afterwards and the Canonist won me consecutive games(I hilariously topdecked it after being therapied). It's easy to cast on turn one and you can just go all in on it with LED. If they haven't seen it they won't have any bounce in their deck g2. If they don't play BW they are sunk and even if they do they have to Wish and then wait a turn and you can just keep a discard spell handy to strip their answer. If they don't have a Brainstorm to hide it you just beatdown ten times ftw. Seems cute but I think it is actually good for 1 spot in the SB if the Prosak list keeps showing up.

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Originally Posted by Troll Slayer

I played a singleton Ethersworn Canonist in my SB at the last weekly I played in. I didn't face the mirror in the actual tournament but I played against a friend afterwards and the Canonist won me consecutive games(I hilariously topdecked it after being therapied). It's easy to cast on turn one and you can just go all in on it with LED. If they haven't seen it they won't have any bounce in their deck g2. If they don't play BW they are sunk and even if they do they have to Wish and then wait a turn and you can just keep a discard spell handy to strip their answer. If they don't have a Brainstorm to hide it you just beatdown ten times ftw. Seems cute but I think it is actually good for 1 spot in the SB if the Prosak list keeps showing up.

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There HAVE to be better cards than Canonist for the mirror...not only is it about as narrow as can be (You can literally bring it in vs no other decks, as you'll just lose if you do), it also isn't even guaranteed to be good in the mirror. If the mirror is that common, it's probably better to play TES, since the deck with Silences beats the deck without.

I personally like Ubw ad nauseam if ant and TES decks are popping up all over the place. The chants give you a good MU against the mirror and are still very good in other situations, but that's just my opinion as I know most people aren't too fond of chants in Ant.

Something to add Thomas? :D

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Originally Posted by Troll Slayer

Something to add Thomas? :D

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He probably wanted to say he was losing to Jund during playtesting. :D

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Originally Posted by lordofthepit

He probably wanted to say he was losing to Jund during playtesting. :D

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get outta here. ya god damn locals.

jordan: fuck your cute bullshit.

shawn: i hate you.

I played a version with Burning Wish, no Grim Tutors, at SCG San Diego and got 37th, which I was pretty happy with.

I posted a somewhat rambling tournament report, but short version -- I did occasionally want a Grim Tutor in the board, and Dark Confidant was a standout champion. I did bring him in once when I shouldn't have -- round six vs Elves, where I badly overboarded; the other matches where he came in, he was fantastic. My other losses were to RUG and the mirror.

I was pretty happy with the deck and I expect to keep working on this list or a similar one for a while.

Lowbeyonder nice report.

I'm playing the wish version at a tornament sat. I don't know what I want do with the board yet though.
So far its...
6 wish targets
3 Bob

I'm not sure what to do with the rest. I was thinking 2 bounce 3 Chants and 1 Tundra or 3 Swarm and 1 Trop.
I might even go 2 bounce 2 meekstone 2 Surgical Extraction.

What do you guys think?

I wouldn't be caught dead without some number(4) of Abrupt Decays in my board these days.
(4 might be tough in a wish board but they are definitely awesome.)

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Originally Posted by Troll Slayer

I wouldn't be caught dead without some number(4) of Abrupt Decays in my board these days.
(4 might be tough in a wish board but they are definitely awesome.)

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If I suspected a room full of Counterbalance I would make room for them. Bounce is more vesitle and most important hit Leyline of Sanctity.
I personally feel Abrupt Decay is just a lot of hyp,for ANT side boards anyway.

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

If I suspected a room full of Counterbalance I would make room for them. Bounce is more vesitle and most important hit Leyline of Sanctity.
I personally feel Abrupt Decay is just a lot of hyp,for ANT side boards anyway.

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It hits every permanent besides LOS which I see less of than basically every other hate card. Plus it's nice to just kill a dude sometimes to buy a draw step or two. Kills Deathrite Shaman to keep PiF alive. Mostly I like it because it kills the two spells which most often leave me dead in the water, counterbalance and chalice of the void. It's been fantastic for me.

At least two. I wouldn't run the full set unless I were expecting a very Counterbalance-heavy metagame.

Hull Breach (or some other reasonable wish target) exists as an out to Leyline of Sanctity but it's not ideal; I prefer having two Chains to board in for it as well.

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Originally Posted by MTG Junkie

If I suspected a room full of Counterbalance I would make room for them. Bounce is more vesitle and most important hit Leyline of Sanctity.
I personally feel Abrupt Decay is just a lot of hyp,for ANT side boards anyway.

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What manner of sorcery is this? We don't allow people to tailor sideboards for their expected metagames! Out! Out with this witchcraft!! /s

Obviously if you're losing with the one true 75 you're a terrible player and should re-evaluate your life decisions to this point. Adjusting the sideboard is for those who are unfortunate enough to misplay their Brainstorms so that they don't always draw LaserTherapy^TM, Lion's Eye Diamond, Infernal Tutor.

is it plausible in a burning wish version of ant to replace the two undergrounds for two basics ???

I ask because I have the 2 volcanics and the one badlands but havent found undergrounds yet and id like to play it this weekend.

currently looks like

4x scalding tarn
4x Polluted Delta
2x volcanic island
1x Badlands
1x swamp
1x island

which leaves with 2ish spots which are currently proxied duals.

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Originally Posted by pingpong

is it plausible in a burning wish version of ant to replace the two undergrounds for two basics ???

I ask because I have the 2 volcanics and the one badlands but havent found undergrounds yet and id like to play it this weekend.

currently looks like

4x scalding tarn
4x Polluted Delta
2x volcanic island
1x Badlands
1x swamp
1x island

which leaves with 2ish spots which are currently proxied duals.

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I'd say you probably need at least one Sea for it to be playable. If you are in a budget crunch you could even try a watery grave.