Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
JonBarber
So I've been testing running the 4th IT maindeck, and I'm not loving it. There are so many games that I want to wish for it and win the game, and then can't. My vote, leave IT on the sb.
Then don't play it. I like the extra sideboard slot. It's the first card to go out every round anyway, it's still a wish target in that aspect.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
It's often better for control decks to Meddling Mage Orim's Chant than it is for them to name anything else. Having a split prevents you from being completely blown out by counterspell + meddling mage.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
What are you doing with Wish->Infernal Tutor so often? Wish->Infernal->Ad Nauseam is 9 mana.
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It is legal to cast Burning Wish on a turn when you don't also cast what you wish for. Sometimes it's even optimal.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
emidln
It is legal to cast Burning Wish on a turn when you don't also cast what you wish for. Sometimes it's even optimal.
I'm still working on becoming friends with Empty the Warrens and Diminishing returns. Therefore I'd rather wait a turn to find another LED so I can just win then instead of spend 3 turns beating with goblins and praying they don't topdeck a board wipe
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
JonBarber
I'm still working on becoming friends with Empty the Warrens and Diminishing returns. Therefore I'd rather wait a turn to find another LED so I can just win then instead of spend 3 turns beating with goblins and praying they don't topdeck a board wipe
You don't need to wait. Cast Wish->Infernal Tutor and pass. Next turn use your suddently free 2 mana (tapped for Wish last turn), and the 2 rit effects you already had to play IT->AdN.
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lol@
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Originally Posted by
emidln
You don't need to wait.
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Originally Posted by
emidln
Cast Wish->Infernal Tutor and pass. Next turn
Regardless, my point is I want to be able to wish for IT. Whether or not it all happens in one turn doesn't really matter to me.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
JonBarber
lol@
Regardless, my point is I want to be able to wish for IT. Whether or not it all happens in one turn doesn't really matter to me.
Congrats on ignoring what was being waited on (an extra LED). For that matter, drawing LED next turn is far from guaranteed. Wish->IT, go off next turn is a lot more likely.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
emidln
Congrats on ignoring what was being waited on (an extra LED). For that matter, drawing LED next turn is far from guaranteed. Wish->IT, go off next turn is a lot more likely.
"Finding" implied using brainstorms and ponders.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Anusien
What are you doing with Wish->Infernal Tutor so often? Wish->Infernal->Ad Nauseam is 9 mana.
It is. Which is why I'm not sold on it. It's pretty much a safety net for people who are uncomfortable winning with Ill-Gotten Gains, Diminishing Returns, and/or Empty the Warrens.
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Originally Posted by
Bryant Cook
It is. Which is why I'm not sold on it. It's pretty much a safety net for people who are uncomfortable winning with Ill-Gotten Gains, Diminishing Returns, and/or Empty the Warrens.
I have no problem with iggy, but I will admit, etw and diminishing returns leaves more to luck than I'd like. But I guess more time with the deck will take care of that problem.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
JonBarber
I have no problem with iggy, but I will admit, etw and diminishing returns leaves more to luck than I'd like. But I guess more time with the deck will take care of that problem.
What's the point of playing a combo deck if you don't want to be lucky every now and again? Anyone can be as lucky as me, they just need to try harder.
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Diminishing Returns is the most fun way to win with TES :), plus it annoys your opponents when they don't realize you're trying to lethally Grapeshot them.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Bryant Cook
What's the point of playing a combo deck if you don't want to be lucky every now and again? Anyone can be as lucky as me, they just need to try harder.
Guess I'm too used to playing a good, consistent combo deck =P.
Hypothetical question, lets say you can cast burning with 6 mana floating (color of your choice), 4 storm count, and no infernal or BWish in your hand/yard. Do you empty the warrens for 10, diminishing returns, or wait to find one more mana to infernal into ad naus? (assume you've chanted your opponent).
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
JonBarber
Guess I'm too used to playing a good, consistent combo deck =P.
Hypothetical question, lets say you can cast burning with 6 mana floating (color of your choice), 4 storm count, and no infernal or BWish in your hand/yard. Do you empty the warrens for 10, diminishing returns, or wait to find one more mana to infernal into ad naus? (assume you've chanted your opponent).
It all depends on what you're playing against and what turn. Have you duressed them this game?
If it's turns 1-2 versus blue I'd Empty the Warrens, if I know they're holding an EE (Duress), I'll Returns.
If it's later in the game versus blue I'd Returns.
If it's against non-blue I'd Returns.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
JonBarber
Guess I'm too used to playing a good, consistent combo deck =P.
Hypothetical question, lets say you can cast burning with 6 mana floating (color of your choice), 4 storm count, and no infernal or BWish in your hand/yard. Do you empty the warrens for 10, diminishing returns, or wait to find one more mana to infernal into ad naus? (assume you've chanted your opponent).
I'd play diminishing returns. And btw, if this happens it's probably the third turn, so ETW is not a great option anymore..
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Anyone else think four chrome mox is too much? You never want two of them. I have been playing with three and it's much better. Even two would be better than four I think.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Computer Love
Anyone else think four chrome mox is too much? You never want two of them. I have been playing with three and it's much better. Even two would be better than four I think.
Some people play with three.
I believe they're nessesary for when you're trying to win with low life. I'm never disappointed to see them off an Ad Nauseam or Diminishing Returns.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Bryant Cook
Some people play with three.
I believe they're nessesary for when you're trying to win with low life. I'm never disappointed to see them off an Ad Nauseam or Diminishing Returns.
That's fair. I just too often find myself with one or two in my hand that are useless aside from adding to my storm count.
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Ok, since I picked up a good chuck of the deck for a reasonable price some days ago I got a little interested in this. I'm still getting used to the deck so I wanted to ask some more experienced players for advice:
On the play versus an unknown opponent, you have a turn 1 Ad Nauseam in hand:
-Do you go for it?
-Do you go for it if you have Duress but have to delay AN to turn two if you play it?
-Do you go for it if you have Ponder/Brainstorm but have to delay AN to turn two if you play it?
Wipe away in the board:
I'm not sure about this one, it is flexible, but it hardly seems like the perfect answear. A CoV or Hurkyls seems better.
tnx in advance