Leyline of the Mask wont do anything against combo, it stops their kill not their engine. Might be an issue for type 2 combo decks, but certainly not Legacy's...
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Leyline of the Mask wont do anything against combo, it stops their kill not their engine. Might be an issue for type 2 combo decks, but certainly not Legacy's...
This, especially considering the removal cards for hate bears (bounce) and Counterbalance (Grip) both hit this card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grollub
The white Leyline has potential to be awesome, until now white was pathetically bad against combo, and while this card alone doesn't make you win the game, it gives you enough time to play more effective cards that previously were too slow to matter in those matchups.
Does the print of Reverberate mean that wizards is willingful to "almost reprint" cards in the reserved list if required?
I think the best comp on Mask Leyline is True Believer, same effect on a hatebear. It sees no play in place of Teeg and Canonist. Part of that is casting cost (WW is tougher for most decks than WG or 1W) but it's also partly because many of the decks you'd want that effect against are eminently capable of wasting a 2/2. Putting the effect on an Enchantment or an Instant for that matter (see Gilded Light) changes the equation quite a bit, putting it on an enchantment that can begin the game in play is huge, because it gives non-blue decks a chance against the dreaded T1 kill.
I don't think opening it vs. combo is a "win" anymore that opening Leyline of the Void is a "win" against Dredge or Loam or Lands. But it sure does help, and at the very least likely buys you a few turns so that you can actually play in the game. I think it will see at least Void levels of play in Legacy, and possibly more given the lower number of alternatives and the sheer variety of spells and effects it neuters, from Chants to burn to discard to edicts to Gifts Ungiven to various planeswalker abilities - looking at you fatesealing Jace2.
From a pure "hose combo" perspective, Rule of Law would have been a better leyline, but this is definitely more interesting, and much less likely to be broken.
By the looks of it, yes. We did get a "fixed" Maze of Ith and Survival of the Fittest with legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrJones
It's quite possible that it simply gives you trollshroud instead of regular shroud, so it can play nice with targeted card drawing, lifegain, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jak.
"Fixed" maze of ith is terrible, Kor Haven has a better ability (it doesn't trigger CipT triggers of your opponent's creature and can be used on your creature) and cost 1W instead of 4. This at 3 would have been already unplayable in legacy considering haven saw no play, at 4 it will see play probably only in standard. Seriously, the snowed land that deal 4 damage is probably better.Quote:
Originally Posted by (nameless one)
http://media.wizards.com/images/magi...3ta850j_EN.jpg
This looks interesting as a singleton Trinket Mage target.
I hope so. I just sold a bunch of my staples to help pay for learny-books.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrJones
http://img707.imageshack.us/g/img0216br.jpg/
Look what Salvation found.
So it's been spoiled to give Troll Shroud, so it's pretty much better than Ivory Mask in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRock
It won't break the format or anything, but I'll throw away my Ivory Masks and replace them with these Leylines as soon as they come out.
I am with you on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordofthepit
While we're at it, lets have a petition to get Ivory Mask banned. Maybe its price will spike up to $40 when it speculated to be reintroduced to Legacy.
Fixed Howling Mine? Again, this is another pretty freaking interesting card in stax shells because you get to utilize 2 draws before the opponent, and you already have a shitload of soft card advantage and tempo advantage what with the land destruction and Tangle Wire and whatnot.Quote:
Temple Bell - 3
Artifact
Tap: Both players draw a card.
The Leyline is definitely worth playing. One of White's largest problems was having great little hate bears galore, but it plain had to sit over there and look sad while people went off first or second turn. Canonist, True Believer, and pals were only good if you could dump them before the combo player just went nuts on you.
This buys a turn or more while they dig up a bounce spell. It might be all you needed to get the hate going. Glowrider is a gigantic pain in the butt if he gets out there and this leyline buys enough time to start up things like that. I love this Leyline just for that alone. Troll Shroud is a nice bonus.
I know I am seriously considering moving on and jumping off the combo ship. All this new hatred is getting silly.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahcmai
In fact I am thinking of jumping of the whole ship. It happens to me sometimes, but now the frequency is shorter and shorter with every set spoiled.
I would certainly not be sorry if more people played interactive magic in Legacy. Nor would WoTC.
Nowhere else to complain so I'm doing it here. What is with some of this horrible art. WTF is that on Voltaic Key, because it certainly doesn't look like a key. Ya know, I was thinking they wanted core sets to have true fantasy flava, and that is the opposite.
http://media.wizards.com/images/magi...e71e7js_EN.jpg
I wish Triskelion had the old pimpbot art.
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I used to play mask a lot versus combo years ago when it first came out, and frankly with the faster version I'd strongly consider using it. Using it with some large threats and back up hate does make the game more difficult for certain deck types and the card is flexible enough that it's not a dead slot against a variety of decks. It's use is going to be very meta dependent coupled with what decks out there use white and how they stack up.
I'm definitely going to play test it.
it might not be your concept of a key, but theres a lot of definitions to what a key is. One of them is "something that permits access", and the item in that picture seems to be magically granting access to some device, ergo looking perfectly like a key to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
"I stand corrected," said the man in the orthopedic shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownSyndromeKarl
So how about this one:
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...VoltaicKey.jpg
Pretty sweet, huh. By my definition of key it fits the flavour perfectly. :tongue:
haha, that's bitchin. I'd totally proxy that for VintageQuote:
Originally Posted by MMogg