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Maverick type decks (Non-blue and/or fair) is exactly what we want to face because our win ratio should be close to 80%. Even a two creature combo doesn't do much since you can get through it or, if you're playing scepter like I am, soft-lock them out with Ochant.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag
Interesting card from the spoilers:
Oketra's Last Mercy
1WW
Sorcery
Your life total becomes equal to your starting life total. Lands you control don't untap during your next untap step.
It's a bit risky since you have to be low to make full use of it but it's still a powerful card.
Good for griselbrand style storm decks. Seems very underwhelming for parfait.
burn looks like the kind of match-up where this would shine..though we already have pulse of the fields or better yet, timely reinforcements if we need this kind of effect..the only time this would be better than pulse or timely against burn is when there's a sulfuric vortex in play..i would still play timely reinforcements over this nonetheless..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
I'm looking at solemnity..do you guys think its worthwhile? it seems good against infect, Chalice and Aether Vial can't get counters, and so on.....
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/ho...8946-solemnity
It might be alright as a sideboard card but your meta would have to have quite a few of infecters. It does nothing against chalice because by the time you can cast it it's already too late. Plus we already have chalice removal maindeck so we don't care too much. It does stop infect, but so does a plethora of other cards, including humility and/or blood moon. Needless to say we don't care about Marit Lage because gaining our opponent life/basic land is meaningless vs RIP/Helm.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag
On another note, I'm thinking of buying Tundras to try a UW version. I feel like mono W is more tuned to fight non-blue decks whereas UW would be better against blue decks. It also wouldn't hurt to make my opponents think I'm playing either version so that they will never know what I'm on... @Weapon X - Out of curiosity, why did you drop U back then?
I'm more curious about Leave//Chance, but that's probably much to mana intensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weapon X
So I've been playing with the UW version that I created it, Ive tweaked it a lot and still have been tweaking it and its been a blast. Im still trying to shore up the delver matchup but besides that I feel like I have game vs a lot of decks. Here is my current 75Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
//Artifact (11)
2 Helm of Obedience
1 Isochron Scepter
4 Mox Diamond
3 Scroll Rack
1 Zuran Orb
//Enchantment (17)
2 Back to Basics
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Detention Sphere
3 Energy Field
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Journey to Nowhere
4 Land Tax
4 Rest in Peace
//Instant (10)
4 Enlightened Tutor
3 Orim's Chant
3 Swords to Plowshares
//Planeswalker (1)
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
//Sorcery (2)
2 Supreme Verdict
//Land (18)
4 Flooded Strand
3 Island
11 Plains
SB: 1 Circle of Protection: Red
SB: 1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Entreat the Angels
SB: 3 Meddling Mage
SB: 1 Nevermore
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Powder Keg
SB: 1 Propaganda
SB: 1 Runed Halo
SB: 1 Supreme Verdict
Why no oblivion ring/more detention spheres? Those cards are too versatile not to play, especially in a deck that can tutor for them.
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Originally Posted by Weapon X
Thanks for the reply! and I did about 5+ days of vigorous testing and felt that too many O-ring effects were just lackluster at times, so as for the moment I'm doing 1 Journey and 1 D-Sphere but I may add an O-Ring to the sideboard as another catch all, Honestly I went to 2 Powder Keg in the sideboard and part of me wants 1 in the main because of how great it is vs Delver and other aggressive decks
I kinda want to try a 1 of Prophyry Nodes replacing a third Wrath... It could help stabilize earlier like cast it on T3 and they won't start playing creatures again till T6 probably.
Also it's tutorable unlike wraths.
How does nodes help stabilize? If they have one creature it kills it then dies. If they have many it's not dealing with what needs to be dealt with.
Not sure if nodes it what you want, if you play blue white you can just play supreme verdict which is just betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
Oh I'm not saying it's the best, I'm just saying it looks like a fun of. It's just that I wasn't aware such a card existed until this week when someone played it at my weekly.
The optimal moment to play nodes is when they have 2 creatures out meaning they're "engaged" in a plan but it's not too late to matter. Then again, just playing 1 probably doesn't do much to support that plan.
Even tho it's a bad topdeck I think it could be playable but we'd need to maindeck many or waste a tutor to ensure we have it early...
I've played drop of honey in enchantress long ago because at worst it is still draw a card there. In parfait it's very narrow which makes it bad for us. If it lines up with your meta that's different, but it doesn't carry the versatility you want in a card choice for us otherwise.
Yo fellow Parfait worshippers!
Ill be playing around with UW in the near future. My current list;
4 Land Tax
3 Rest in Peace
2 Detention Sphere
1 Back to Basics
1 Energy Field
2 Supreme Verdict
4 Brainstorm
3 Daze
3 Enlightened Tutor
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Orim’s Chant
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Mox Diamond
3 Scroll Rack
2 Helm of Obedience
1 Zuran Orb
1 Pithing Needle
9 Plains
4 Island
2 Tundra
4 Flooded Strand
My card choices are 1/3 cute, 1/3 backed-up by theory and 1/3 experimental :D. It is possibly outright stupid to both splash blue and keep chants in instead of packing more reactive blue spells. In my opinion chant is just so damn good and ill start with this list and see where it takes me. Any obvious must-haves i've missed? SB is going back and forth but core cards are 4 Meddling Mage and at least 2 Revokers. Having no creatures main I love to pack a SB full of em. The draw to blue personally comes from Daze which is just super cute and the theory of backing up an early Tax while also enabling it does seem quite good. Jace seems like a descent secondary win-con and Meddling Mages are fantastic imo, played quite a few fringe decks in my days aswell as straight UW blade and the Meddling Mages has always been with me and always been great.
Hey man So if you scroll up I am running UW as well! your's is different than mine as Im running no brainstorm or daze's. So I cant comment too much because if your list is working then thats great, not the biggest fan of Daze because without a Land tax it kinda hurt us as our curve is mostly 2-3 drops. I would however make space for 1-2+ more Energy Field as i found it gives you enough time to stall like if they counter the first one, you always can tutor for another etc, otherwise I like the 2 verdict as its always great to have. And for your sideboard make sure you have 1-2 more win con's vs heavy control decks or DnT you want more win con's that they have to deal with!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sereon
Yea I've seen your list and read most of this thread. Gonna try daze at a couple of weeklys before I decide what I think, if I don't like it I feel like I might lean towards Wr tax instead. As for sideboard and wincons I'm running second have along with Elspeth and a Gideon. I'll test with more energy fields, you make a good point there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninjastill
Played a weekly at my LGS yesterday with the list I posted above -1 energy field, -needle main +1 humility, + ghostly prison since I had not yet received my recently bought field. I haven't held a deck for about a year so the rust was real (also no meaningful experience with parfait)...
M1: Infect 0-2
I was basically 1 turn behind both games, he had all the permission and had nexus both games while I struggled to find either a proactive answer or instant-speed removal.
M2: Eldrazi 2-0
This felt very one-sided. Basically D-sphere on a dude followed by tutor->B2B won game 1.
Game 2 was a bit longer but I resolved B2B turn 2 and Humility turn 3. I think i comboed him on turn 8-ish.
M3: Reanimator/storm 2-0
Im playing against an unknown deck but I noticed this guy had finished previous matches very fast so I was under the impression he was not playing fair. This led me to play mox, plains into RiP on the play t1. He played a thoughtseize turn 2, I chanted his turn 3 and 4, won with helm on my turn 5.
Game two was not super exciting either. He reanimated Griselbrand on his turn two. I Sphered it when he passed. Two turns later he hardcast a grave titan. I played a supreme verdict and followed up with an elspeth the turn after. He had no answers.
M4: Goblins 2-1
This guy is very experienced, has played goblins forever and basically attends all weeklys, super nice guy aswell. Game 1 consists of me playing tax turn 1, he plays a vial and refuses to play enough lands to activate my tax, so I e-tutor for zuran orb. I plow an early lackey and proceed to resolve ghostly prison and a couple of turns later humility. It takes a while but I manage to find the combo after 2-3 scroll racks on 8ish.
Game two was fairly back and forth early turns. Of course he was on the play and went for a vial. I sworded an early lackey and proceeded to play a revoker on vial. He played a scrapper on revoker on turn 4 and started beating with a chieftain + some smaller dudes. I played a verdict and the turn after another revoker on vial. He found another scrapper and a krenko and correctly therapied my last supreme verdict which ended the game quickly.
Game three I boarded out the revokers, it felt like he had too many answers and that I should focus on resolving strong enchantments and possibly planeswalkers. So i boarded in Elspeth and Gideon. Can't rebmember the details here but he resolved a chalice on 1 on his turn 2 which never left the board and stranded plow+2BS in my hand. I did however resolve a land tax before this and later a scroll rack. He chaliced for 3 aswell to deny D-sphere on the chalice for 1 and I played a humility shortly after that. The enchantment bought me enough time along with ghostly prison to play a gideon, wipe the board and a couple of turns later I added an espeth to the board which made my opponent concede. Definetly the most fun match of the day.
The deck felt solid, can't really comment card choices yet. The dazes were not good enough for me to feel convinced I should play them, but not bad enough to cut yet either. I might try the Wr version soon, it looks very good on paper and I'm not sure blue is good enough to motivate. Granted, the can't be counter on verdict didn't matter yesterday so I need to test more vs blue creature-based decks before I make up my mind.
Kind regards from Sweden.
The LGS I play at has a variety of decks and is usually very competitive, we played 4 rounds tonight and I went undefeated in Matches :)
Round 1 vs U/R Delver
Game 1: I sword his t1 Delver, he lands a swiftspear and chip's away he daze's a scroll rack but I land a rest in peace and Energy Field and he scoops with no way of removing it.
Game 2: I cast Orim's chant which he counter's (probably a mistake) and I play powder keg, he chips away with swiftspear and I resolve Rip/Field again with the help of Orim's chant and show him the helm in hand.
Sideboarding I bring in Powder keg's and Circle of protection red since I know he is on the burn heavy route and take out Back to Basics, and a Detention Sphere. Overall it felt like a really easy matchup since they can't board into any enchantment hate.
Round 2 vs 4C Loam
Game 1: He resolves a t1 Chalice followed by a Gaddock Teeg and a KOTR, I journey the Knight which he finds a decay for a few turns later and I'm able to slam Energy Field Followed by RIP a few turns later, we go draw go for a bit, and I test the water's and play Enlightened Tutor through his chalice, luckily he misses the trigger and I get Detention Sphere which Exiles his Liliana he just had cast. After realizing he missed the trigger I decided to go for Swords on his Teeg which he let happen then play Helm and win.
Game 2: He has Thalia, into Teeg, into KOTR and I was able to stall with RIP/Field but Lilly ultimate got their and that was all she wrote.
Game 3: He keep's a slow hand and I have helm/field/rip in hand with Land tax off a mox on t1 was pretty easy from their on out.
Round 3 vs Red White Painter
Game 1: I mulligan to a no lander with 2 mox's an E Tutor, 2 Land Tax and Swords to Plowshares, I decide to keep and see a plains off the top so I feel like I still have some game. He goes t1 Painter, I attempt to Swords, he exile's spirit guide and blasts it. He plays grind stone 2 turns later and I didn't have an answer.
Game 2: We did some durdling but I locked him out with a turn 3 Isochron Scepter/Chant and he conceded after I told him I planned on using it on his upkeep every turn
Game 3: He got flooded, I resolved a Jace along with Scroll rack which let me see a lot of cards and was able to Chant lock him with Scepter again until i got helm in play.
Round 4 - Intentional Draw but we decided to play anyway! He was on UG 12 Post
Game 1: I am not sure what he's on after seeing a lot of tropical islands and cantrips, I play rest in peace and it resolves, he plays show and tell the next turn I put in Helm and he puts in prime time...I win that game with 1 mana up :D.
Game 2: He has a nice ramped start into prime time that get's swords, I get him with Chant Lock after he had to waste his FOW on a back to basics when he was tapped out.
Overall the deck performed really well as I faced all pretty competitive decks, I was glad I didn't run into Czech Pile or High tide which were in the room but still felt very well equipped to deal with either, I still switch a lot of 1 of's every week like Ghostly Prison, Zuran, and Luminarch. But I don't think I'll ever get bored of Scroll Racking for 6 and putting back 6 lands off a land tax to draw 6 fresh cards :D.