Stuff like that offends me. Protection + Evasion is disgusting on one card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicar in a tutu
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Stuff like that offends me. Protection + Evasion is disgusting on one card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicar in a tutu
Enchantment doesn't have hexproof, so I want to say it isn't good, since for that same cost you get a 3/1 untouchable versus a 2/2 hard to kill flier that trades with a Delver. Unless you spend the original cost of the creature? Is :2::u::u::g: too much for a flying hexproof goyf?
But then again I am unfamiliar with how desperate Stiflenaught pilots are for new tech.
Does anyone else keep thinking about Humble Defector?
I'm thinking about some kind of Maverick Naya shell.
Homeward Path and Scryb Ranger
Knight of the Reliquary to search for Homeward Path, even a Crop Rotation or two.
Wasteland and such of course.
I mean, we already have Dark Confidant, but the synergies with Defector make it more explosive.
Maybe go all out grixis with Defector, Treacherous Pit-Dweller, Gilded Drake, Homeward Path, and Brand?
Too cute?
Yeah Too cute... Yes you will draw a bunch of cards, but they are all awful (brand!?) and the manabase sux!Quote:
Originally Posted by GenghisTom
CounterTop being used for protection AND to setup 12/12 Flying Hexproof Dreadnaughts without the fear of 2-for-1'ing yourself with Stifle+Dreadnaught against Decay? Something to consider at leastQuote:
Originally Posted by PirateKing
For maximum jank value: Use the new black discard your hand and draw along with Waste Not.
Well to flip P-Naught is a single :1: according to the rules of Manifest. I feel like I'd pay :2::u::u: for a 12/12 flying hexproof guy, sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateKing
The best part is that even if they can answer the enchantment, they still have to deal with the Dreadnaught underneath. It isn't like it stops being a 2/2 face-down creature if you Disenchant the enchantment. So they have to have a response for that guy as well, or else it gets real angry real fast (and real cheap).
It's a one-way ticket to Valueville!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicar in a tutu
Minor fixes, because they matter ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
Rough U/W Dreadnaught List
4 BStorm
3 Enlightened Tutor
4 Git Probe
4 STP
4 Force
4 TC
2 Tool box artifact
4 SFM
1 Jitte
1 BSK
4 Dreadnaught
4 Cloud form
4 Stiffle
17 Lands
Why bother with SFM and Stifle if you can just run delver and CounterTop. Stifle + Dreadnought is unplayable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
That's why it was a rough list. . . . but stiffle was for the Dreadnaught when you draw into him instead of relying on cloudform + enlighten/bstorm. Plus it's a pretty good 1st turn play against fetchlands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Stifling Fetchlands is pointless if UR Delver as the Enemy #1 runs smooth on two lands. If you draw Naught respite of SDT and Ponder, you can Brainstorm it back. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
It doesn't seem that crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicar in a tutu
4 Dark Deal
4 Ill-Gotten Gains
4 Waste Not
4 Dream Salvage
This is almost exactly what was going through my mind: 4 Enlightened Tutor, no SFM+BSK package. Don't forget Vision Charms can both enable/protect P. Dreadnought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Edit- No Treasure Cruises just Dig Through Time
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Edit: Vision charm plus TC is also a nice interaction, sometimes you don't have the seven in your grave, and vision charm dumps 5 into the yard (4 + the charm itself). Not saying it's good - just something you can do.
Why DTT?
Because filter is better than raw drawing when you're trying to avoid putting your kill condition in your hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Let's keep deck build discussion in the deck discussion forums and out of a spoiler thread.
Tho kinda sweet with spirit of the labyrinth or chains of the mephist, playable prob not :PQuote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
How is it any better than Winds of Change then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rizso
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Originally Posted by TsumiBand
I think it's decent next to Spirit of the Labyrinth, Chains, and other cards that help build Chains Locks (Anvil of Bogarden.)The fact that this card would help you find a missing piece under chains or you may get a free win off of the opponent drawing cards if they're antsy. I thought the Waste Not idea was pretty good too.This + Chains + Waste Not + SotL + Anvil could easily make something that resembles a prison deck.
Not sure if that means anything; but I'm sure a WB pox player is having a wet dream as we speak.
Looks like someone beat me to this. Also, the fact that Winds of Change does the *actual same exact thing* except that you each have one card less is disappointing.
It causes discard, and puts cards in the graveyard. That's significant for:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Dredge, madness, flashback, Waste not, Dream Salvage, Treasure Cruise, and Tarmogoyf
Edit: Had a wrong card in there.