War of the Spark

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Originally Posted by Cire

Not sure if that caps the win % of this combo).

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Please correct my math, but looking all the MTG math articles, in excel the following is the chances of drawing a single copy in your opening of a card you have "8" copies of: 1-HYPGEOMDIST(1,7,8,60) = 57.82%. For the combo, assuming you have all the land + accel + green cards, you should be able to get a Grisslebrand into play turn 1 about 33.44% of the time (chances of Rider/Pact + Neoform/Evolve) . Then you have about a 73.58% chance (1-HYPGEOMDIST(1,1,14,53)) of getting a nourishing in two activations and thereby having a chance to go off. So that's a 25.60% chance of a turn 1 win (with no protection and assuming land + accel + green cards). Assuming math is correct, at these percentages is this idea worth developing?

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Originally Posted by morgan_coke

It's kind of funny just how completely Tamiyo's static ability turns off Liliana of the Veil.

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Maybe that has story-related reasons? That would actually be cool.

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Originally Posted by Cire

Please correct my math, but looking all the MTG math articles, in excel the following is the chances of drawing a single copy in your opening of a card you have "8" copies of: 1-HYPGEOMDIST(1,7,8,60) = 57.82%. For the combo, assuming you have all the land + accel + green cards, you should be able to get a Grisslebrand into play turn 1 about 33.44% of the time (chances of Rider/Pact + Neoform/Evolve) . Then you have about a 73.58% chance (1-HYPGEOMDIST(1,1,14,53)) of getting a nourishing in two activations and thereby having a chance to go off. So that's a 25.60% chance of a turn 1 win (with no protection and assuming land + accel + green cards). Assuming math is correct, at these percentages is this idea worth developing?

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How does the new mulligan rule affect that?

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Originally Posted by Cire

Please correct my math, but looking all the MTG math articles, in excel the following is the chances of drawing a single copy in your opening of a card you have "8" copies of: .... Assuming math is correct, at these percentages is this idea worth developing?

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It seems like this is very similar to the Flash / Protean Hulk combo stuff from the brief moment where flash was un-errata'd. It's obviously not as strong, but I would be looking at those decks for some ideas.

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Originally Posted by Cire

Please correct my math, but looking all the MTG math articles, in excel the following is the chances of drawing a single copy in your opening of a card you have "8" copies of: 1-HYPGEOMDIST(1,7,8,60) = 57.82%. For the combo, assuming you have all the land + accel + green cards, you should be able to get a Grisslebrand into play turn 1 about 33.44% of the time (chances of Rider/Pact + Neoform/Evolve) . Then you have about a 73.58% chance (1-HYPGEOMDIST(1,1,14,53)) of getting a nourishing in two activations and thereby having a chance to go off. So that's a 25.60% chance of a turn 1 win (with no protection and assuming land + accel + green cards). Assuming math is correct, at these percentages is this idea worth developing?

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I feel like there might be something here in modern. You get to play 4 Eldritch Evolution too

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Originally Posted by morgan_coke

How does the new mulligan rule affect that?

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The new mulligan rule basically means you get to keep running hyper geometric numbers using 7 instead of 6, 5, 4, 3, ect. Then once the number of cards you need (N) exceeds seven minus the number of mulligans you've taken (M) it just flips to 0.

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Originally Posted by rufus

It seems like this is very similar to the Flash / Protean Hulk combo stuff from the brief moment where flash was un-errata'd. It's obviously not as strong, but I would be looking at those decks for some ideas.

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The problem is though that this deck requires not just Flash + Protean, but Combo 1 + Combo 2 + Green Card + Green Card. Also given that the combo costs either 1GG or UG, it is more expensive 50% of the time. Moreover you're running a whole bunch more Chaff (up to 14! rather than the 5 cards that Flash played)

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

I feel like there might be something here in modern. You get to play 4 Eldritch Evolution too

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Yep as was noted there are only 2 cards in the deck (thus far) that are not modern legal. However they are Lotus Petal and ESG which are fantastic for this deck. I feel if it becomes a thing in modern (assuming no ban) then it should be way better in legacy (ignoring FOW).

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Originally Posted by Cire

Please correct my math, but looking all the MTG math articles, in excel the following is the chances of drawing a single copy in your opening of a card you have "8" copies of: 1-HYPGEOMDIST(1,7,8,60) = 57.82%. For the combo, assuming you have all the land + accel + green cards, you should be able to get a Grisslebrand into play turn 1 about 33.44% of the time (chances of Rider/Pact + Neoform/Evolve) . Then you have about a 73.58% chance (1-HYPGEOMDIST(1,1,14,53)) of getting a nourishing in two activations and thereby having a chance to go off. So that's a 25.60% chance of a turn 1 win (with no protection and assuming land + accel + green cards). Assuming math is correct, at these percentages is this idea worth developing?

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So here's my preliminary list for modern

Nourishing Lich 9001:

Maindeck (56)
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Simian Spirit Guide
2 Hooting Mandrills
4 Allosaurus Rider
2 Griselbrand
4 Autochthon Wurm
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Adventurous Impulse
3 Serum Visions
4 Nourishing Shoal
4 Eldritch Evolution
2 Lightning Storm
4 Botanical Sanctum
2 Breeding Pool
2 Forest
4 Gemstone Mine
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

So here's my preliminary list for modern

Nourishing Lich 9001:

Maindeck (56)
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Simian Spirit Guide
2 Hooting Mandrills
4 Allosaurus Rider
2 Griselbrand
4 Autochthon Wurm
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Adventurous Impulse
3 Serum Visions
4 Nourishing Shoal
4 Eldritch Evolution
2 Lightning Storm
4 Botanical Sanctum
2 Breeding Pool
2 Forest
4 Gemstone Mine
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest

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I think you definitely want a singleton Laboratory Maniac in there. Otherwise, I like it, looks like a nifty T2 kill.

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Originally Posted by morgan_coke

I think you definitely want a singleton Laboratory Maniac in there. Otherwise, I like it, looks like a nifty T2 kill.

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Maniac seems difficult to cast. I guess manamorphose gets there, but tough to find room for it. I assume this sideboard wants white leyline as well. I really do think this deck has some serious potential though.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Maniac seems difficult to cast. I guess manamorphose gets there, but tough to find room for it. I assume this sideboard wants white leyline as well. I really do think this deck has some serious potential though.

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In what universe is U2 Maniac harder to cast than 1RR lightning storm? Especially considering you can also cast Maniac off of any Eldritch Evolution (X=2 or less) if it's still in your deck.

EDIT: nvm, thought you had Manamorphoses in that list, turns out you don't. My bad.

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OMG, we're doomed! WotC really lost their ability to balance cards and card cycles!
Rhonas seems pretty bad while this flies (in a planeswalker set), costs less and casts spell copies(!) from the top of the library.

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Originally Posted by joven

OMG, we're doomed! WotC really lost their ability to balance cards and card cycles!

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Unless the white god blows everything else out of the water, Kefnet does seem like the strongest god out the cycle overall. Strong ability, best evasion and one mana cheaper than the rest (unless the white one costs less than 5, too, but who are we kidding?).

And these stats man 4/5

This is so weird. "copy that card and you may cast that copy"

Lets say i have this new Ral, Storm Conduit. "Whenever you cast or copy a spell deal 1 dmg" does it trigger for 2 damage?

Kefnet Is garbage fire. Plow it and your opponent ends up spneding 8 mana on kefnets. You can do a lot of good stuff for 8 mana. Casting kefnet twice isnt it. The cost reduction is useless in a format where anything that goes into blue costs 1 blue mana already. Yeah you get to copy an instant or sorcery, provided you dont have a land, creature artifact or planeswalker on the top of your deck. Give me dark confidant over this any day of the week

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Originally Posted by bruizar

Kefnet Is garbage fire. Plow it and your opponent ends up spneding 8 mana on kefnets.

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It's you MAY put it third from the top. Don't say the card is good, put at least you have the choice.

Most of the stuff in this set just seems too expensive for legacy or just not as good as existing options that do similar things. A bit disappointing after getting two great cards in RNA (Pteramander and LutS) but not really surprising.

Kefnet is very good as another Jace
pure card advantage you simply cast the cantrip copy and purely draw

sure, at that point I’d rather play the 4th jace before the first Kefnet

For Kefnet to matter the turn it comes into play you need to have 5 mana available. At 5 mana I'd rather have Teferi.

Finale of Promise was just spoiled. Maybe something in ruby storm can use it. Not familiar enough with the deck. It's virtually 3 storm in one card. Maybe fighting with bonus round for slots though. Then again, it might be good with Bonus Round.

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