[Deck] 12 Post

Congrats fellas on your finishes! I guess we all had our share of tournament play this weekend. I went 4-2 at a local event with UG, which is my best result thus far.

My losses were:
Burn: it could have been better, if I took mulligans to find SnT / titan hand, especially in the second game when I kept a 2x FoW + lands hand, hoping to blindly top something good… didn’t happen. My SB is specially dedicated to combo, burn etc so I’m kind of sad I didn’t take that mulligan. I was beating burn regularly, but haven’t played against it in a long time now.
Lands (Again!): the match up is more than winnable, I just didn’t have enough imagination or patience for it. I have to pull my shit together next time and just grind through it… oh and I made a huge error in game2, thinking my EE set on 0 can get rid of Marit Lage token... that was yeah, dumb! I thought I was smarter than that, but hey live and learn. Playing a second needle on wasteland instead of thespian stage was also a mistake.

Overall I was pretty satisfied with the list, despite the two losses:

Land (25)
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Cavern of Souls
4x Cloudpost
1x Eye of Ugin
1x Forest
4x Glimmerpost
2x Island
1x Karakas
4x Misty Rainforest
4x Tropical Island
2x Vesuva

Creature (9)
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1x Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1x Platinum Emperion
4x Primeval Titan
1x Trinket Mage
1x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

Artifact (13)
1x Candelabra of Tawnos
2x Engineered Explosives
3x Expedition Map
3x Pithing Needle
4x Sensei's Divining Top

Instant (9)
4x Brainstorm
3x Crop Rotation
2x Repeal

Sorcery (4)
4x Show and Tell

Sideboard (15)
4x Flusterstorm
4x Force of Will
1x Glacial Chasm
1x Karn Liberated
3x Krosan Grip
2x Tormod's Crypt

I’ll discuss my tournament experience through card choices:

Trinket mage:
In my opinion the card fits very well in the deck. Mage won a game against deathblade on turn 4: played a needle on Liliana, which got FoW-ed, after that I played trinket fetching another needle, which resolved and probably won the game… there are many scenarios like this one where trinket shines. Trinket sometimes eats FoW, clearing the way for SnT… I don’t see myself dropping it soon, though I wouldn’t run more than one.
No glacial MB:
Despite my loss to burn I still think that it was the correct choice not to run it MB. Burn was the only match up i needed glacial. The deck runs more smoothly without glacial main, less mulligans, better top decks.
3 crop rotations:
There are just too many match-ups where crop is rotting in my hand (daze, spell pierce, counterbalance, FoW, etc.) for UG I think 3 is more than enough. I boarded them out completely in 3 out of 6 matches.
Tormod's Crypt:
I like it mainly because of trinket mage and the speed it comes down, unlike relic, which requires 1 to cast and 1 to activate. I’m not fighting tarmogoyf’s or DRS with GY hate anyway, so I see no need for relic at this point.
Karn / Platinum empirion:
I’m not impressed by either, but I guess I didn’t get the chance to resolve them in any match-up where they would matter. I would like to replace this slot with the new kozilek, but as you can see I’m missing 2 cmc spells in my list…
Kozilek:
During the tournament I landed kozilek several times and every time he was removed or sacked (only once with Liliana), so I didn’t get a single annihilator trigger of it. This is why I wouldn’t sign off the new Kozilek just yet. I will definitely try the new Kozilek, when I settle on a worthy 2 cmc spell to discard.
Ulamog:
He is admittedly better than the old one (except the art obviously), since I can tutor for him instead of kozilek and get 2x anything off the board. I’m hitting 15 mana (or 8 to fetch and cast next turn) so frequently in this build that it would be a shame not to have the choice between removal or card advantage at that point in the game. I guess he is the correct choice nowadays.
2 Vesuvas:
In my opinion running only 1 vesuva is not optimal for the deck. You get less opportunities to consistently pile up your cloudposts count. And having more copies of bojuka, glimmer, island and forest is always very nice.
Engineered Explosives:
I’m still not sold on EE (can be a bit slow), but they do run well with trinket and they do get that chalice off the board, protecting the 20 1cmc spells I run. They also ate some counters, which was fine by me as I always had a backup plan anyway. Though, it’s a shame we can’t cast EE on 3 frequently enough. I removed a 3rd repeal for the 2nd EE just before the tournament.
Pithing Needle:
I finally gave in and excepted I have to run needles in this deck. They are just too good and hit stuff I frequently lost to before, namely: liliana, wasteland. Trickbind / stifle just can’t replace needle.

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Originally Posted by k_omega

Made 9th (5-2 in matches, 11-3 in games) out of 91 players at a local 5k yesterday...

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Well done sir! Between you and the other 12 post player who was next to me in Round 2, I've been inspired to put the band back together. One of my friends (who I assume you beat), was 5-2 on the day as well, with his two losses being 12post lol. Take that D&T!

I was there playing MUD, which ends up one of two ways: A.) I draw great on the day and put up easy wins or B.) I mulligan a lot and play terrible matchups. My Saturday experience was B lol. I did have an interesting game against RUG delver. He attacks with nimble mongoose, I warping wail to make a token. My opponent goes into the think tank for about a minute, sighs and lightning bolts the token.

Testing shall begin this week with UG including warping wail and kozilek, the G.D. maindeck. Unfortunately, my next large event is TBD.

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

Well done sir! Between you and the other 12 post player who was next to me in Round 2, I've been inspired to put the band back together. One of my friends (who I assume you beat), was 5-2 on the day as well, with his two losses being 12post lol. Take that D&T!

I was there playing MUD, which ends up one of two ways: A.) I draw great on the day and put up easy wins or B.) I mulligan a lot and play terrible matchups. My Saturday experience was B lol. I did have an interesting game against RUG delver. He attacks with nimble mongoose, I warping wail to make a token. My opponent goes into the think tank for about a minute, sighs and lightning bolts the token.

Testing shall begin this week with UG including warping wail and kozilek, the G.D. maindeck. Unfortunately, my next large event is TBD.

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Did you at least make a colorless in response to the bolt? Cause that would be great. "Well, I don't have to worry about mana burn. Sac to make a colorless. Bolt fizzles."

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Originally Posted by mykatdied

Did you at least make a colorless in response to the bolt? Cause that would be great. "Well, I don't have to worry about mana burn. Sac to make a colorless. Bolt fizzles."

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Of course! :-D

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

Of course! :-D

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You made a warping snail :)

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Originally Posted by bruizar

You made a warping snail :)

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Then there was this... haha

I love the G(r) Post deck... Kozilek's Return is such a beating for Delver decks

EDIT: Mina is also uber-combo with Glimmerpost and Friends

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Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy

I love the G(r) Post deck... Kozilek's Return is such a beating for Delver decks

EDIT: Mina is also uber-combo with Glimmerpost and Friends

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I am very excited to see how it runs tomorrow. My fiance has been playing post on and off for a while now, her first list was a mudd post with metalworker, no forgemaster. She ran my Mudd Eldrazi post list for a while and now she is going to test that list out. I will post her opinion and views on the deck hopefully tomorrow night. It should be exciting and fun at the very least. She goldfished a bit tonight and stated, "It's turn 5 and I am 1 mana short of casting kozilek's return and Kozilek, oh wait I have Mina and Denn out so I have another land drop." Proceeds to cast kozilek's return+Kozilek+top and drawing into eye, ulamog on top of library and now enough mana to cast ulamog and tutor+cast emrakul. Not bad for a turn 6 move?

Honestly, Kozilek's Return is THE SHIT (gives us much needed breathing room vs Delver and Friends)

And Mina and Denn is craziness, with its 4/4 body I'm not afraid to attack with the card, and the repeatable ability is nuts. The card alone has gained me over 10 life in a match vs RUG Delver (she basically gave me the win).

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Originally Posted by cherson

Hi,

I play a similar sideboard like you do and saw u didn't use leylines at all due to the mu's I guess. but do u think we need it in general?
I mean great against burn/pox/bug..

how was sacred ground. I considered it many times but didn't test it once :(

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When I started I played Leylines, then cut them and recently decided to put them back. The problem is that Leyline alone doesn't stop Storm (the primary reason I have them at all) because it can be bounced and spheres alone don't stop them because they can be discarded. Both elements together, though, are a tough lock that pretty much shuts them down while hardly affecting us. I'd say that the Pox/BUG matches can be won without Leyline, but it does help and I'll board in some copies. I strongly advise not bringing in Leyline against Burn because it compels you to keep awkward hands and unlike Storm does not actually prevent Burn from winning. Use spheres instead.

I mentioned a strong Lands presence in my meta and Sacred Ground is mostly extra insurance against that deck (frees up needles to name things other than Wasteland, and simultaneously neuters the occasional Ghost Quarter), though I also bring it in against D&T to make Cataclysm less cataclysmic. It almost allowed me to beat 4C Loam which is a strong argument for the card. If you expect Wasteland + Chalice or lots of land destruction then I'd recommend it, and if Pox is a problem then you really can't do better than Sacred Ground.

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

Well done sir! Between you and the other 12 post player who was next to me in Round 2, I've been inspired to put the band back together. One of my friends (who I assume you beat), was 5-2 on the day as well, with his two losses being 12post lol. Take that D&T!

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Thanks! I didn't realize there was another 12 Post player in the room. I did see a MUD player next to me a couple times though - not you.

How many red sources are you Mina and Denn experimenters using?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy

Honestly, Kozilek's Return is THE SHIT (gives us much needed breathing room vs Delver and Friends)

And Mina and Denn is craziness, with its 4/4 body I'm not afraid to attack with the card, and the repeatable ability is nuts. The card alone has gained me over 10 life in a match vs RUG Delver (she basically gave me the win).

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Also, Courser and Mina in play at the same time mean a steady stream of 2 life per turn even if you don't have any Glimmerposts.

Could you post or PM your current list as I might pick up Kozilek's Return for Standard and Modern anyway and Mina is not that expensive :)

Personally going to just try the 3 taiga, but a single mountain may come into the mix if wasteland proves to be that problematic.

I am running both courser and Mina for that exact reason. Access to the top deck lands and some additional aggro protection with life gain for burn.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy

Honestly, Kozilek's Return is THE SHIT (gives us much needed breathing room vs Delver and Friends)

And Mina and Denn is craziness, with its 4/4 body I'm not afraid to attack with the card, and the repeatable ability is nuts. The card alone has gained me over 10 life in a match vs RUG Delver (she basically gave me the win).

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Please tell me there's a bonfire of the damned and/or through the breach somewhere there too. :-)

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Originally Posted by Philipp2293

Also, Courser and Mina in play at the same time mean a steady stream of 2 life per turn even if you don't have any Glimmerposts.

Could you post or PM your current list as I might pick up Kozilek's Return for Standard and Modern anyway and Mina is not that expensive :)

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Lands
1 Bojuka Bog
4 Cloudpost
1 Eye of Ugin
4 Forest
4 Glimmerpost
1 Karakas
1 Glacial Chasm
3 Taiga
3 Vesuva
3 Wooded Foothills

Creatures
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
2 Mina and Denn, Wildborn
4 Primeval Titan
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

Spells
3 Ancient Stirrings
2 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Crop Rotation
2 Kozilek's Return
3 Pithing Needle
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 Trinisphere
3 Expedition Map

I know, I cut the Candels from my deck.. But in my testing I haven't missed them much and here is why: since we don't have the fastest Combo deck out there, I try to slow down the opponent as much as possible while not hurting me nearly as much since I have a billion mana to play with.

Also, I cut the DD/Stage combo from this list since I've been finding that this version has enough win-cons and if ever I'm adding another one its definitely a second Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger (have you guys noticed this guy kicks total ass?).

On a side note, I've been seeing A LOT of 12Post online lately (Mono-Green and UG).

EDIT: I'm gonna try a Bonfire because why not!

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Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy

Lands
1 Bojuka Bog
4 Cloudpost
1 Eye of Ugin
4 Forest
4 Glimmerpost
1 Karakas
1 Glacial Chasm
3 Taiga
3 Vesuva
3 Wooded Foothills

Creatures
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
2 Mina and Denn, Wildborn
4 Primeval Titan
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

Spells
3 Ancient Stirrings
2 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Crop Rotation
2 Kozilek's Return
3 Pithing Needle
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 Trinisphere
3 Expedition Map

I know, I cut the Candels from my deck.. But in my testing I haven't missed them much and here is why: since we don't have the fastest Combo deck out there, I try to slow down the opponent as much as possible while not hurting me nearly as much since I have a billion mana to play with.

Also, I cut the DD/Stage combo from this list since I've been finding that this version has enough win-cons and if ever I'm adding another one its definitely a second Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger (have you guys noticed this guy kicks total ass?).

On a side note, I've been seeing A LOT of 12Post online lately (Mono-Green and UG).

EDIT: I'm gonna try a Bonfire because why not!

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Nice list. Very similar to mine. I think my list is a bit more on the ramp side with candels. But I like where you went with yours. The bonfire is something I wanted to test with but I feel as though we need noxious revival if we don't have brainstorm to put them back. At least that way we can cast it for a small amount early to slow our opponent down and a larger amount later to potentially finish them off.

How have you felt with the 3 taiga as your red sources? I will figure that out tonight, but I believe you said you have already tested a bit.

3 Taigas have been fine actually, been plenty of R for my spells.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy

3 Taigas have been fine actually, been plenty of R for my spells.

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So what's your plan against Combo / what's in the SB. Pyrostatic pillar? REBs?

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

So what's your plan against Combo / what's in the SB. Pyrostatic pillar? REBs?

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I forgot about pillar! That's a good idea. I was trying to think of a red card to hose combo a bit.

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

So what's your plan against Combo / what's in the SB. Pyrostatic pillar? REBs?

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My sb is kind of helter skelter:

4 Leyline of Sanctity (way too good to remove)
3 Krosan Grip
4 Warping Wail
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Sphere of Resistance

EDIT: Mina and Denn, Wildborn is completely ridiculous. The ability is just way too amazing...

Hello there 12Posters! I myself am not a player (I play D&T and Delver variants), but I thought I'd post up a recent Japanese list that looks very interesting considering I've seen people here toying with RG lists at the moment. It can be found here:

http://mtg.bigmagic.net/article/%E3%...82%B9%E3%83%88

Takashi Hasegawa

Lands: (26)
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Vesuva
3 Taiga
2 Maze of Ith
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Karakas
1 Windswept Heath
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Forest

Creatures: (9)
3 Primeval Titan
3 Thought-Knot Seer
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion

Non-Creature Spells: (25)
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Punishing Fire
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pithing Needle
3 Kozilek's Return
2 Expedition Map
2 Candelabra of Tawnos
2 Crop Rotation
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

Sideboard: (15)
3 Sphere of Resistance
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Warping Wail
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Krosan Grip
1 Sundering Titan
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Choke
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Pithing Needle

As an outsider looking in these numbers look really nice and the list looks really impressive. I love the Thought-Knot Seer as an angle of disruption typically unaccessible to non-blue lists. As a D&T player Kozilek's Return and Punishing Fire makes me weep too.

But yes, lots of new technology here, hopefully you guys can get some use out of this, 12Post is looking to have a lot of new toys to play with!

Thanks!