[Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)

Yesterday I killed showandtelled emrakul via wish into damnation in tests) so I don't think I will change it to sorcery deed in wishboard=)

Reading this thread for long time. I want to thank Kevin (Arianrhod) for his enormous contribution to the development of this deck:wink: Especially for my favorite rector build! I had some success with it in my locals so it is very sad for me that you left rector indefinitely.
I'm not a great specialist in legacy and do not play for a long time this format. But this year I'm going to BOM. Is there any chance for the rector in the supposed metagame or better give it up and play with Scapewish?

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Originally Posted by 60641k

Yesterday I killed showandtelled emrakul via wish into damnation in tests) so I don't think I will change it to sorcery deed in wishboard=)

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That is awesome, but innocent blood would have handled that for less, and you really should have one in your side as an early out to flipped delvers, bobs, and emergency ramp through explorer.

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Originally Posted by 60641k

Yesterday I killed showandtelled emrakul via wish into damnation in tests) so I don't think I will change it to sorcery deed in wishboard=)

Reading this thread for long time. I want to thank Kevin (Arianrhod) for his enormous contribution to the development of this deck:wink: Especially for my favorite rector build! I had some success with it in my locals so it is very sad for me that you left rector indefinitely.
I'm not a great specialist in legacy and do not play for a long time this format. But this year I'm going to BOM. Is there any chance for the rector in the supposed metagame or better give it up and play with Scapewish?

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As Starscream already noted, Innocent Blood does that job better. I'll reiterate that I'm planning on just testing Gaze and seeing how it goes -- not like OMG REPLACE IT NOW.

As for Rector at BoM -- the question is how much Esperblade is going to be there. Rector is still a fine choice vs Esperblade -- the issue is that Deathrite Shaman and RIP cause problems......and most of the rest of the meta (non-DRS, non-RIP) is combo, so they just don't care.

I've laid out my problems with Rector since RtR in pretty good detail in the past few pages, so I won't go through all of that again. Basically, the question is what % of the meta is DRS, what % is RIP, and what % is combo. Whatever the remainder is, you're good against. You can beat Miracles (even with RIP) with Rector if you have ET+ Helm in your sideboard. DRS.dec is a crapshoot, as is combo. Scapewish is generally favored against the same remainder, vs Miracles, and vs most iterations of DRS.dec -- and it CAN be combo, it's just rough.

I will close by noting that if you're really familiar with Rector and not Scapewish, you should probably stick with Rector unless you're able to put in a lot of testing time between now and BoM. Familiarity with a deck is paramount in my book -- and Nic Fit in general rewards familiarity. I've said in the past that if you want to win events with Nic Fit (of any stripe), you need a good 6-12 months of experience with the deck -- and I mean good, solid tournament experience. Switching from Rector to Scapewish will shave a few months off of that timer, just by base familiarity with Nic Fit...but Scapewish requires different decision trees and different understanding than Rector does, and it can take time to build that (as Iggins learned at Jupiter this weekend).

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Originally Posted by Star|Scream

That is awesome, but innocent blood would have handled that for less, and you really should have one in your side as an early out to flipped delvers, bobs, and emergency ramp through explorer.

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obv I had inblood too but he had 2 creatures on the battelfield in that time:smile:

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Originally Posted by 60641k

obv I had inblood too but he had 2 creatures on the battelfield in that time:smile:

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2 Creatures from Show and Tell? Was the other one Grisselbrand? And you still got to push through a wish and a damnation? Yikes!

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Originally Posted by Star|Scream

2 Creatures from Show and Tell? Was the other one Grisselbrand? And you still got to push through a wish and a damnation? Yikes!

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My guess would be 12post.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

My guess would be 12post.

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Well specifically in that case, new card sux.

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Originally Posted by Star|Scream

Well specifically in that case, new card sux.

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Specifically in that case, most cards suck ^_^

I'm sure this has already been discussed somewhere in the 4600+ posts to this thread but I was just wondering: has anyone brewed some sort of mashup between Nic Fit and either Natural Order or living wish/depths/hexmage? Seems like there might be some synergy there...or is it just dilution of both without added benefit?
Thanks,
Ben

Gaze of Granite has no worth, even for Burning Wish. Pulse and Damnation are much better for 99.9% of cases.

@Benofzongo,

Wish overlaps with GSZ. NO is a plan, but perhaps not the most reliable one.

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Originally Posted by benofzongo

I'm sure this has already been discussed somewhere in the 4600+ posts to this thread but I was just wondering: has anyone brewed some sort of mashup between Nic Fit and either Natural Order or living wish/depths/hexmage? Seems like there might be some synergy there...or is it just dilution of both without added benefit?
Thanks,
Ben

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Ive tried GB with natural order and it wasnt very good. NO is better in decks with a few creatures and blue, or a ton of green creatures. It wasnt awful, but just not amazing. You can play NO if you have a green dude to sac for 4, or you can just play thrun or grave titan no matter what your board presence is and not worry about countermagic as much.

I think some kind of GBW or BUG good stuff deck with living wish and depths might not be that bad. Im not sure anyones tried it though.

Played Punishing Nic Fit in a local tourney (14 players, it was just a side event) and went 1-2-1 (1 win was because of a bye :(). This was the first time I played the Punishing list in a tourney (was using HoneyT's list with a slightly modified SB).

Drew round 1 against UW CouterTop/RiPHelm/Miracles. The number of misplays I made was just crazy. Not to mention the boarding mistakes. I could have played better, and honestly the pilot was great as well. Venser Karakas was crazy good.

Round 2 was against Burn. 50-50 matchup due to Skullcrack running rampant. We went to game 3 and after keeping a hand of 3 non-basics and chump blocking his Vexing Devil with 2 Veteran Explorers, my turn 3 Thragtusk met a Skullcrack and I received 2 Rift Bolts and 2 Price of Progress to the dome FTL.

Round 3 was SnT. Game 1 I scooped immediately after turn 2 Emrakul. Game 2 I kept a hand with Grove of the Burnwllows, Mountain, Pyroblast, Extirpate, Carpet of Flowers, Cabal Therapy and Slaughter Games. His turn 2 SnT met an unchallenged Pyroblast. Double black on my turn 3 off of Carpet of Flowers which I used to Extirpate his SnT and Cabal Therapy his Brainstorms. Finally, Turn 4 Slaughter Games on Sneak Attack and he scooped immediately. Game 3 I mulled to 4 looking for hate. Found 1 Pyroblast and kept. Another turn 2 SnT, Pyro met FoW and that was that.

Round 4 - bye :(

I really love Garruk PH, especially in my old GB list. I really want space for a 2nd piece in the Punishing list, but I can't seem to find room. Someone suggested I cut 1 SDT (dropping to 2). Nope, not even thinking about it. Feels like I have to cut the lone Garruk PH for now though. Yes its crazy good, but having just a lone piece makes it a bit inconsistent. Its not GSZ-able as well. I'm thinking of a 3rd Huntmaster or a 2nd Thragtusk for now.

Thoughts?:smile:

On a side note, any other decks I can easily build with the cards I already have in Punishing Nic Fit? I know Nic Fit doesn't have many cards usable in other archetypes, but I wanna work with what I already have. :)

I would say that the deck that shares the most cards with punishing nic fit would be punishing jund. I don't know if you have bobs, goyfs, or liliana, but hopefully modern masters will help with card availability with the two former cards.

I recently have been testing HoneyT's punishing list with a second Garruk PH in place of the second Bayou. I haven't noticed any sort of land screw as a result and though it opens the deck up a bit more to wasteland, the second Garruk is amazing as in my opinion it is one of the strongest cards in the deck. As I play rector normally, the card feels like this versions recycle with added benefits of being able to make dudes.

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Originally Posted by benofzongo

I'm sure this has already been discussed somewhere in the 4600+ posts to this thread but I was just wondering: has anyone brewed some sort of mashup between Nic Fit and either Natural Order or living wish/depths/hexmage? Seems like there might be some synergy there...or is it just dilution of both without added benefit?
Thanks,
Ben

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actually i am doing the Hexmage Depths thing in BGw. i only have a rough draft and my SB is junk, but the main deck packs a lot more random win percentage than "ramp to 6 and win with a Titan" while keeping its control identity.
sb rly needs work though, Don't know what to run MD and what SB between GSZ, Fauna Shaman, KotR and Living Wish...
http://www.mtgvault.com/asatas/decks/deep-nic-fit/

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Originally Posted by Star|Scream

I would say that the deck that shares the most cards with punishing nic fit would be punishing jund. I don't know if you have bobs, goyfs, or liliana, but hopefully modern masters will help with card availability with the two former cards.

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Unfortunately I do not have those. I've been thinking about getting Goyfs and Bobs for a while, but they're just not my cup of tea. :tongue: I'd rather build a Merfolk deck than buy those 2 sets of cards :P Price is close enough anyway.

Did you guys all abandon Cryptic Command in the blue lists? It's at worst a cantrip Fog against most decks.

I was playing with a Panoptic Mirror list for awhile and eventually dropped the Mirrors for more Time Warp and Cryptic Command. I don't think this deck can profitably run FoW main without more explicit card advantage.

Lands:
3 Forest
3 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Tropical Island
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Bayou
2 Swamp
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Underground Sea

Creatures:
4 Eternal Witness
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Thragtusk

Removal:
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Maelstrom Pulse

Blue cards:
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Cryptic Command
4 Time Warp
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Sideboard:
4 Engineered Plague
3 Negate
2 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Kitchen Finks
2 Thoughtseize
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Memoricide

The lack of Green Sun's Zenith is probably the most obvious thing about this list. It was in the earlier lists (along with Shardless Agent, Primeval Titan, et al.), but got cut for more removal and more good blue cards. It just didn't fit the curve. I had Force of Will in the sideboard but replaced it with Thoughtseize due to lack of blue cards. I would REALLY like to fit in Karn Liberated. I'm considering cutting a Jace for it. Another potential tweak would add Vendilion Clique for one Time Warp.

You get to do fun stuff with the bounce effects (Cryptic Command and Jace) and Eternal Witnesses. Makes me wish Venser, the Sojourner was good enough to run in this deck.

The sideboard is tuned for the terrible meta on MWS.

Chains of Mephistopheles is now very good against deck using extra draw, but chains already skyrocket its price to $200 :eek:

Voice of Resurgence + Recurring Nightmare?

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Originally Posted by Claymore

Voice of Resurgence + Recurring Nightmare?

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I think Kokusho would still be better with recurring nigthmare.