very beautiful list, I'd play the same if I didn't have white splash. Maybe with another 2/ 3 cmc cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
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very beautiful list, I'd play the same if I didn't have white splash. Maybe with another 2/ 3 cmc cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
you are right, that's why I always side in also 2 beb. I know, BEB is a card useful only against few matchups, but these ones are the worst: burn and sneack&show (only a needle can save us from sure death, and post side bloodmoon is present).Quote:
Originally Posted by Postman
BEB helps a lot also against every bloodmoon deck, we have krosan of course, but against these decks I wanna be SURE to draw something against bloodmoon.
Consider also this: do you prefer to drop an emperion, and wait that the opponent luckly draws a smash, or do you prefer to drop nuKozi, and HOPE to have a cmc2 cost to counter a PoP (for sure in 4x)? Also if chances are the same (let's say you have 4 cards with cmc2 and he has 4 smash or similiar), when you drop an emperion he can do NOTHING until he draws something to destroy it; with Kozi on the field, he can still attack, try some shots, of course he is "limited" but can react. Smash on emperion? beb/fluster and gg.
First, I totally agree with everything above. And if I wanted to bring one of these two cards in from the SB just for the burn match-up, I would consider the emperion. Having said that, I do think that Kozilek has more general relevance as a main board card as it is also very good against combo (STORM) and can protect itself from things like swords to plowshares. It can also be bounced and replayed with Karakas to get more cards. You can also still use fetches, keep your Glacial Chasm for another turn or two and gain life off of Glimmerpost with Kozilek. I would also remind you that you that the burn player does not need smash to get rid of Emperion. From personal experience, I can tell you that they can just point 3 burn spells at the Empirion and save the haymaker (eg. Price of Progress) for your face. And of course, I am not playing blue. So BeB/flusterstorm are not options for some of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morden
Still wouldn't go nearly as far as saying that Emperion is a bad choice though.
Burn is an issue that is the reason why I keep my 4 Leylines in the sb. Obviously I don't play the blue list but mono g plus savannah.
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Looks interesting, will give it a try today :smile: Only thing what's strange to me (without testing) is the Wastes land instead of Bojuka Bog. Usually, there should be about 10 sources able to produce Waste mana (8 posts, 2 caverns). Only reason I can think of is that Wastes counts as a basic and produces Waste mana even under Blood Moon...And Bojuka Bog is soooo great in many MUs, I really don't want to miss it (shines against Reanimator, RUG, Lands, Stom, etc...)Can you give a short insight, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
Thought of Leyline as well, but it doesn't help against PoP?Quote:
Originally Posted by cherson
I might be lucky but I haven't had that much trouble vs Burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postman
They get me down to roughly 5-7 life and then I just explode with Primeval Titan and gain a billion life with Glimmerpost/Mina and Denn uber combo.
The last games against Burn/RDW went like T1 Swift Spear, T2 Goblin Guide plus Lava Spike, T3 Bolt +PoP, game 2 Sulfuric Vortex stops life gain, or Skullcrack...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy
Thats right but ignoring all other 3dmg spells is genius and might give u enough time to set up you own win conQuote:
Originally Posted by Postman
Rock, how are you beating lands without Repeal for Marit Leige and/or Pithing needle for Wasteland? I understand that you can Karakas the 1st Marit, but what about the 2nd one? Likewise, how are they not wastelanding you to oblivion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
Is your plan to just show and tell titan ASAP?
I haven't seen Swift Spear on MTGO in quite some time. I usually always see T1 GG, T2 Bolt+Chain, T3 Spike+Bolt+RBoltQuote:
Originally Posted by Postman
EDIT: Of course God hands happen, there's not much anyone CAN do
Outside of what you mentioned, warping wail counters loam and gamble, and I sideboard 4 surgicals. Thought knot seer also a beast in this matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by maCHOOga
Well, did some testing against RUG... let's say it this way: WOHOOO!:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
Have been skeptical before the matches because of the missing Repeals, Needle/Revoker and Bojuka Bog, but the deck ran fantastic. Lost lands due to Wasteland/Stifle, but it didn't matter. Ugin / Emperion won the games:cool: Didn't see Kozilek, but I guess he will shine at the Burn/Storm MUs in the future. Not sure about Ulamog 2.0...the card is soooo insane, maybe I will cut 1 Emperion for him. Thoughts?
I'd cut an Ugin rather than an emperion. You lose one removal effect for another one, uncounterable and tutorable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postman
I don't play blue, but had the same general thoughts on the list. this deck has very few outs to an ensnaring bridge (including zero outs in the main). Nulamog answers lots of problems for this deck. As said above, Emperion is searchable, so why play more than one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Postman
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I picked up the GR version in preparation for Leagues starting next week, and I went 3-9 in games last night. I play the UG version in paper, but did not want to drop the $250 on Show and Tells and Mistys online quite yet. Maybe I am just super terrible, but Drude1, I would love to see your SB guide, as I was just annihilated by Aggro Eldrazi, Shardless and Grixis Delver. I am playing 3 Kozilek's Return in the side now.
An ensnaring bridge main board can still be beaten with Ugin as his +2 is still a bolt to the face. His ultimate definitely puts the game far in your favor as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by drude1
Aggro Eldrazi's only bad match up seems to be lands. I have not lost playing lands against aggro eldrazi. I enjoy playing the mono G version of Turbo Eldrazi and in no way can I beat the aggro Eldrazi. I have lost every match (I also am not good) 1-10. The one match I won, I was able to resolve a platinum emperion to which they have no answers. I do not have as much problems with other decks. I have taken down a few tournaments with my mono G list and have a blast playing the deck, I just can't win against aggro Eldrazi. I was wondering if their would be any good sideboard options against this deck as it seems to be picking up in popularity? Candlesticks 4 Life.
I've only played against it a few times so far (Colorless Green build for me, as always). It doesn't seem to be a good matchup by any means (although I also had awful mulls and a small sample size, so my data may be skewed). Maze did a reasonable amount of work for me, although I played once vs a port of the UR version that went much too wide for it to save me. Warping Wail bought me some time by making chump blockers, but still wasn't ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendelton
The problem with this matchup, as I see it so far, is that they're basically a more aggressive MUD that is largely immune to Grip. They play Chalice which slows us down considerably and also blank Ugin and All Is Dust, which is the traditional way to keep the board under control. O-Stone postboard helps, and I could see adding a second one if this deck becomes more popular.
The good news is that they run out of steam quickly if you can survive the initial onslaught, and their "little" Eldrazi can't do much against an Eldrazi titan. The builds that run locus lands also power our top end, although I expect these decks to eventually move away from using a Post manabase because it's far too slow and inconsistent without a land-tutoring package or Candles.
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Here is the list that I'm currently playing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Emrakul503
// Lands
4 [MR] Cloudpost
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
2 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
1 [GTC] Thespian's Stage
3 [UG] Forest
2 [B] Taiga
1 [DK] Maze of Ith
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills
// Creatures
3 [M12] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 [BFZ] Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 [OGW] Kozilek, the Great Distortion
3 [OGW] Thought-Knot Seer
// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
2 [FRF] Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
2 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
3 [ZEN] Expedition Map
3 [SOK] Pithing Needle
3 [OGW] Warping Wail
2 [OGW] Kozilek's Return
4 [ROE] Ancient Stirrings
// Sideboard
SB: 1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
SB: 3 Trinisphere
SB: 3 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Oblivion Stone
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 1 Cursed Totem
SB: 1 Choke
I do feel like I want to get one copy of Platinum Emperion in the 75 somewhere but not sure where. Would probably cut a Red Blast.
Interestingly, I have played against Aggro Eldrazi 4-5 times now and haven't lost a match. I have been possibly been lucky because I have seen the deck just explode by turn 2 and wreck me. But most of the time I can stabilize with thought-knot seer and buy enough time to land a Primeval Titan. Then it's just over. I was having some trouble with shardless as well so started running a choke and brought trinispheres in. When I was on G/W the match-up was much better with 4 leyline. And if you really wanted better game against those decks specifically you could run G/W with an increase in sensei's top and terminus main along with leyline in the board. I actually go back and forth myself still. Obviously terminus doesn't play well with thought-knot seer, which is why I switched to red. I would never not play thought-knot seer in the deck at this point.