It's been a while since I posted something resembling a more traditional primer, is anyone interested in a short primer with boarding plans on my current MTGO Storm list?
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It's been a while since I posted something resembling a more traditional primer, is anyone interested in a short primer with boarding plans on my current MTGO Storm list?
Isn't the answer overly obvious to that question? If it's the version with 4x Daze I'm especially interested :).
I am interested too. BTW I am scared to play 2x SDT against D&T that seems to be quite popular ATM.
Definitely interested!
One more vote for primer!
A primer sounds great! Thanks, Jonathan!
why? works very well under taxing and your LED aint disabled at worst... Id sb out a Ponder before SDTQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaman
Against decks that can "virtually" win on their second turn (I am thinking of Thalia for D&T) I prefer to start my turn with land-ponder than land-sdt. Maybe I am wrong here! But I feell sdt, while being overall really powerful, slows you down in the very first turns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
Sensei's Top is a great card, but it's really slow. In my (small) meta, I've got a Dredge/D&T player, an S&T player, an Eldrazi player, and a Maverick player. There's also an occasional Berserker, an occasional Elves-player, and Delvers here and there. Only one guy plays Miracles regularly. So even a singleton maindeck Top doesn't do me any good because I need to get the ball rolling immediately, which Top doesn't do unless you either expend fast mana or play it on/after turn 2. I bring it in against Miracles, but—strong as the card is—Top doesn't seem to have done me much good anywhere else. I will concede up-front that Top feels perfectly reasonable for a larger tournament with oodles of Miracles decks floating around, but when half the people at a tournament are playing decks that aren't much slower than ours, I don't think we can waste time spinning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaman
Personally I don't think double-Top is good in any matchup but Miracles or maybe something like Pox or Punishing Stuff; if you're running one or more, you're starting to sacrifice speed substantially. I'm noticing the comparative slowness of double-PiF (compared with double-Petition) in a few matchups already, and especially in my meta, I can't imagine doing anything to slow down my main plan further (adding SDT or more maindeck lands). Multiple Tops starts to push us closer to Doomsday territory, and awesome as that deck is, I've seen it fold very often because it has trouble assembling a win quickly.
If other people have further input, I'll defer to their judgment, but many of the decks I'm facing are almost as fast as Storm is (my fast-combo decks, which I lend out occasionally, are faster). Top's no good in those situations.
[EDIT: One thing that occurs to me is that Top has the same problem Dark Confidant does: we're spending a turn to make a permanent, not to manipulate the deck or go off.]
I've got a semi-related question: is anyone running zero Tops in the 75? If so, what's your assessment of the risks, and what's your strategy against Miracles?
You got my vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Alexander
The 3rd edition of the Dutch Open Series was today, finished 3rd to continue a strong streak of 3rd and 1st before this.
Round-1: Lands 2-1 (AdN fizzles g1, and I lose after not finding business for the next few turns either)
Round-2: Tin Fins 2-1 (interesting spot g3: We both mull to 6, I lead on Land, LED, go and he has 2 Lands/Entomb/Goryo's/Therapy/X and decides to keep open for Entomb instead of blind therapying IT. At first I agreed with the play, but it seems worse given that I kept and did not play either discard or cantrip on turn-1.)
Round-3: Eldrazi 2-1 (he didn't know I was on storm which won me g1, bad draws by him g3)
Round-4: Burn 2-0 (mana->tutor->pif->mana->tutor->DP->toa or something similar beat eidolon with exactsies on 1 life)
Round-5: ID
Round-6: ID
QF: Infect 2-0 (AdN fizzles g1 but with DR,DR,DP I can find LED and flashback pif the turn after to win)
SF: Eldrazi 0-2 (g1 I need to hit any non-ToA wincon with brainstorm to win and g2 I have to go all-in on pif flashing back a ponder with 8-9 mana and 8 storm but both cantrips fail. Shame, since the finals would have been against RUG)
Played AdN main, 2 Preordain, 1 DP. 4 DoN sb because I expected a lot of Thalia, but I dodged them all.
Aight, I'll work out the last couple kinks (there's really only one slot I'm unsure about at this point) and get to writing some time next week.
It's more likely you just have Brainstorm as your cantrip than the natural turn two kill. I think I like your opponent's line.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieW89
@Ronald Deuce
Double pif is not slower than double petition. At least not so slow. Needing 2 dark ritual, or dark ritual + 3 lands or a ***** cabal is not as easy as just needing tutor and almost everything allong the pif.
Also top is also really good as a 2x against sharldless or jund (same deck more of less)
I don't run Top in my 75, but I do concede it's an awesome card vs Miracles and to a lesser extent aggro-control. I'm a bigger fan of Preordains if for no other reason they help you reach Threshold more consistently for T3.
I think multiple Tendrils/PIFS and a set of Abrupt Decay is about as good as strategy as you'll get vs Miracles, multiple Warrens can work but it's risky.
I played 2 tournaments these days. One FNM with 16 people and one good tournament of 62 people. I found 3 D&T:
first one: 2-0. g1 I play like grixis (gitaxian probe, cabal therapy on thalia), on his second turn he can play a revoker but it prefer to be open for a StP and I win on my third turn. G2 he has only a revoker, decayed on his EOT, win on my third turn.
second one: 1-2. g1 fast ad nauseam. g2 too much hate, wasteland, mum, everything..... g3 maybe I should moulligan. My hand was probe, probe, therapy, therapy, land, ponder, brainstorm. A very good hand on the play and against a lot of hate card. But unfortunally he has nothing so important to be discarded. First therapy goes on mom, second one on serra avenger (I need time to build my hand, I don't want a clock). It remains only with RiP and lands.......topdeck a stoneforge, and I cannot make enough goblins to beat his batterskul.
third one: 2-0. g1 I win on my second turn. g2 he starts with vial, on my turn toughtseize for a thalia, he plays a canonist, I make my second land drop and pass, he plays a useless mom (just drawn), EOT decay on canonist, on my upkeep he tries to port me, brainstorm in response, win.
so I'm fine with D&T..... I replaced one tendrils (now I have only one) in SB with toughtseize and it's ok for the moment. by the way, looking around the tables, I saw A LOT of D&T players using Honor of the Pure to beat dread of night and also massacre somehow (canonist and prelate survive), also one of my opponent had it in hand. So I'm really for the moment to avoid those cards.
by the way I suck and the tournament went really bad, losing also 0-2 against dredge O_o
Hei guys
Just won the legacy sidevent of the Swissnationals(main format was modern+draft) with Storm:)
I was just there for legacy;)
3 Daze+ 1 empty main and it feels very nice to play!
5 Rounds no top 8
R1: Bye
R2: Dnt 2:1 Daze t2 thalia:P but he find's another one after i played a bs and just drawing ponder into ponders and lands.
The other games i won with multiple dreads of night and massacre;)
If you guys play in switzerland with storm you should always play some dreads and massacre.
R3: 2:1 Reanimate daze+empty wins here cause he dont have a counter and i have still a daze backup ..of course i know his hand..normally i never play empty against reanimator.
R4: 0:2 Infect..g1Discard him his probe(had nothing better to discard so he played elf into daze;)topdecked 3 lands in a row and he found the kill..g2 was like i have to go off and i just dont know 2 cards in his hand. He had the 1 off fluster.
R5: 2:0 Lands not much to say.. oh yea there was a first turn kill g2:P
So i won 3 wasteland:) was a funny Short tournament and a friend gets second with infect.
Greets Pascal
Played three rounds today, beating 12-Post (2-0) and Dredge (2-1) and losing to S&T (0-2). I had a T1 against S&T in game 2, but I didn't have any discard, so I decided to wait; bad decision, because he didn't start with Force in hand. Beat me with Emrakul a couple of turns later. Further reinforces that it's often good to jam it if you've got it, though I think playing a bit conservatively against control is typically good to do.
Died to Ad Nauseam against Dredge, though I was dead on the board, so I figured I should just go for it. Starting to consider cutting Petition, but I'm not sure how I'll replace it if I do.
Final Fortune and Togores, thanks for the input! Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that there's a tremendous speed difference between double-Petition and double-PiF, but it's definitely noticeable. One reason I'm back to double-Preordain is that I like having more cantrips if I'm digging for business post-PiF. Thanks for the suggestion re: Jund/Shardless!
Anyone interested in the 1 mana counter target colorless spell card?
3 Daze main? Why 3 and why main?
@Scott W
I just saw here some Lists with 3 Daze. The Daze are here for surprising the oppenent and also to beat T2 Thalia, sometimes Chalice or Gaddock Teeg (We have a lot DNT in the Meta in switzerland).
On g2 you normally side them out most of the Time.
They can also protect yourself when you go off. Or just counter a Creature to slow down the clock;)
It can give yourself some storm count.
Here is the List i played:
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
3 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Past in Flames
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Bayou
4 Polluted Delta
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Volcanic Island
1 Ad Nauseam
3 Daze
1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 4 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Massacre
SB: 2 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 Sensei's Divining Top
SB: 3 Dread of Night
SB: 1 Echoing Truth
Greets Pascal