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Good catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
For the T3 Hexdrinker line, I had Wrath activating Mika on his turn 3 to protect Hexdrinker. But then Mika kills itself, I don't need to waste a turn on Tremors, and Kargan levels up faster to race. By holding Mika I have to waste a turn on Tremors and that's enough. I looked through the other options and couldn't find any other winning line. So instead I have to take a different line to play for the draw OTD.
Asthereal's scores for round 3:
1. Asthereal (TO): Emeria's Call, Turntimber Symbiosis, Hexdrinker, Sword of the Realms That's me.
2. dte: Hexdrinker, Wrenn and six, Turntimber Symbiosis, Shatterskull Smashing 0-6
3. Wrath of Pie: Turntimber Symbiosis, Emeria's Call, Hexdrinker, Mikaeus, the Lunarch 0-6
4. RoosterCocoa: Agadeem's Awakening, Agadeem's Awakening, Scourge of the Skyclaves, Valki, God of Lies 3-3
5. H: Agadeem's Awakening, Agadeem's Awakening, Scourge of the Skyclaves, Scourge of the Skyclaves 6-0
6. GoblinSmashmaster: Emeria's Call, Mikaeus, the Lunarch, Turntimber Symbiosis, Hexdrinker 0-6
7. silkster: Shatterskull Smashing, Turntimber Symbiosis, Wrenn and Six, Heart of Kiran 0-6
8. Serguei: Turntimber, Serpentine Wood; Hexdrinker; Scourge of the Skyclaves; Agadeem's Awakening 0-6
9. Reeplcheep: Turntimber Symbiosis , Shatterskull Smashing, Hexdrinker , Wrenn and Six 0-6
10. PJim: Mox Tantalite, Mox Tantalite, Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy, Rankle, Master of Pranks Math below: 1-4
11. alphastryk: Shatterskull Smashing, Turntimber Symbiosis, Hexdrinker, Wrenn and Six 0-6
12. maxx!: Agadeem's Awakening, Turntimber Symbiosis, Hexdrinker, Scourge of the Skyclaves 0-6
13. jhhdk: Emeria, Shattered Skyclave, Turntimber, Serpentine Wood, Sword of the Realms, Hexdrinker 3-3
14. mattamort: Hexdrinker, Scourge of the Skyclaves, Agadeem, the Undercrypt, Turntimber, Serpentine Wood 0-6
15. Tylert: Agadeem's awakening, Turntimber symbiosis, Hexdrinker, Scourge of the skyclaves 0-6
16. FTW: Shatterskull Smashing, Shatterskull Smashing, Kargan Dragonlord, Subterranean Tremors 0-6
Total: 13 points. Ouch.
vs. PJim
A: Turntimer untapped, A=17, cast Hexdrinker
P: 2x Mox (3)
A: Emeria untapped, A=14, cast Sword, attack for 2, P=18
P: Mox=2
A: Equip, attack, P=14
P: Mox=1
A: Level up x2, attack, P=10
P: Moxen resolve, cast Kinnan
A: Level up x2, Hex 6/4, attack, P=4
P: Cast Rankle, attack with both, A=9, both players sac, Kinnan and Hex die, Hex returns to my hand.
A: Cast Hexdrinker
P: Attack for 3, A=6, have to choose both player sac a guy or you lose.
Draw
P: 2x Mox (3)
A: Turntimer untapped, A=17, cast Hexdrinker
P: Mox=2
A: Emeria untapped, A=14, cast Sword, attack for 2, P=18
P: Mox=1
A:Equip, attack, P=14
P: Moxen resolve, cast Kinnan
A: Level up x2, attack, P=10
P: Cast Rankle, attack with both, A=9, both players sac, Kinnan and Hex die, Hex returns to my hand.
A: Cast Hex
P: Attack for 3, A=6
A: Equip, attack for 4, P=6
P: Attack, A=3
A: Level up x2, attack, P=2
P: Attack, A dies.
Loss
No results yet from silk, PJim and jhhdk. For the latter I assume the same scores as me, for obvious reasons.
If we take the results from everybody against silk and PJ, all that remains is their head-to-head.
To me, it looks like two wins for silk, because he can keep Kiran back for defence, while alternating between +1ing and -1ing to the head, slowly killing PJ.
How wrong am I?
Silk wins by even more. Heart of Kiran has Vigilance and can both attack and block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Every turn, +1 W6 then -1 to crew Heart and attack for 4 flying. Doing that W6 stays at 3 counters with Heart attacking every turn. This is a 5 turn clock. If anything attacks, go down 1 counter to crew on defense and kill it. I worked through this math before because I almost submitted the same deck.
The one threat PJim has is on Turn 5 to attack W6 with both Rankle and Kinnan. Kiran must block Rankle and Kinnan takes 2 counters off W6. If W6 was at 3 counters as normal, crewing for defense + 2 damage from Kinnan would kill W6. Then Heart of Kiran is turned off and Kinnan wins the game. To prevent this, silk just needs to skip 1 turn of attacks somewhere to have W6 at 4 counters instead of 3. Then W6 doesn't die to Kinnan and Heart wins.
I have not yet tried working out the actual result, since I'm still making a spreadsheet with
reported results, but I see that Wrath of Pie and RoosterCocoa disagree for their match:
Wrath of Pie thinks RoosterCocoa wins both, and RoosterCocoa thinks Wrath of Pie wins one.
(I have not yet played card-blind, but I plan on participating in the next round.)
Wrath wins on the play by playing tapped lands to slow down ScourgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Phasmoid
T1 W - Tapped land
T1 R - Untapped land
T2 W - Tapped land, Hexdrinker 2/1
T2 R - Untapped land & Valki. Exile Mikaeus. [R=14, W=20]
T3 W - Level 2. Still 2/1
T3 R - Valki copying Mikaeus is useless (becomes 0/0 and dies). Doing nothing lets Hexdrinker grow.
The best line here is to attack with Valki. If Wrath blocks, the 2/1s trade and draw (Scourge is 0/0).
If Wrath doesn't block, Wrath goes to 18 and Rooster plays 2/2 Scourge. [R=14, W=18]
T4 W - Level 4. 4/4
T4 R - No profitable attacks to grow Scourge. If one creature attacks, Hexdrinker eats it. If both attack, Hexdrinker blocks Scourge & Valki gets through. Scourge takes 4 damage, Hexdrinker takes 2 damage, Wrath takes 2 damage. Scourge dies as a 4/4 with 4 damage on it. Without Scourge, Rooster loses. So nothing attacks.
T5 W - Level 6
T5 R - Same problem. No profitable attacks.
T6 W - Level 8 6/6 attacks [R=8, W=18]
T6 R - 2/2 Scourge and 2/1 Valki attack [R=8, W=14]
T7 W - 6/6 attacks [R=2]
T7 R - 6/6 Scourge and 2/1 Valki attack [W=6]
T8 W - 6/6 attacks [R dead]
Rooster has no way to prevent Hexdrinker from winning the race (e.g. playing lands tapped still loses).
WL 3-3
FTW found a line that I missed (namely, not paying life is a winning strategy).Quote:
Originally Posted by Phasmoid
At the rate we're going, we might have enough for a CB Pro Tour.
We already have one active. You'll find it linked in the posts where I announce the decks for a round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phasmoid
It's a Google spreadsheet, open for everybody to edit, so please be a tad careful when using it. :smile:
Yup, we're becoming a lot bigger. Only our first ever rounds exceeded our current numbers, and that was probably just people trying it out for the heck of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
Well, r/threecardblind has 140 members (most of which likely aren't active, although one of those is me) and its last post was four months ago, and I doubt there are other massive communities out there, so The Source may just end up having "your source for Card Blind" be its new slogan given that we are probably the only CB community left. (Sad about what that means for Legacy itself, though.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
I guess I should've actually checked that. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
I had been just assuming that it would have Terms like what I've seen for some of Google's other services.
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Originally Posted by FTW
When you are on the play, how does Hexdrinker force "the untapped land for T2 Tremors"?Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
T1: tapped land
T1: Hexdrinker
T2: tapped land
T2: put 2 level counters on Hexdrinker
T3: Hexdrinker only has 2 level counters, so it's still a 2/1, so Tremors kills it.
So the whole point of playing tapped lands is to stay at 20 life, making Scourge a 0/0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phasmoid
T2: tapped land
T2: put 0 level counters on Hex. Attack with 2/1! [F=18] Cast 2/2 Scourge.
T3: Tremors X=1 killing 2/1 Hexdrinker
T3: 2/2 Scourge attacks [F=16]. Scourge is 4/4.
Sure I can still kill Hex with Tremors, but it's already dealt me damage so the whole point of playing tapped lands is defeated. I might as well play untapped land [F=17] and Tremors on turn 2, let opponent play 3/3 Scourge so I can play Kargan 1 turn earlier facing a 3/3 instead of a 4/4. But Scourge races Kargan either way. There's nothing I can do to keep Scourge off the board so I lose.
Casting Scourge requires all of their mana, so they can't both do that and level up Hexdrinker in the same turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
However, I looked at this more and see that Scourge is enough for them:
T2: Attack with 2/1! [F=18] Cast 2/2 Scourge. Hexdrinker is still level 0.
T3: Tremors would lose to Scourge becoming 4/4, so cast Kargan.
T3: Hexdrinker attacks, either trading for Kargan or making Scourge 4/4.
(For what it's worth, this seems to me like a better defense from you, even though it still loses.)
Yeah, that was a typo. I edited above to 0. Hexdrinker doesn't need counters. It just needs to be Savannah Lions and deal me 2 damage. Then I'm at 18 and they play 2/2 Scourge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phasmoid
From there I can cast Tremors, take 2 to Scourge (4/4 Scourge), then cast Kargan. Level 0 Kargan vs 4/4 Scourge.
Instead I could cast Kargan first, take a hit from Level 2 Hexdrinker (trading loses) going to 16 (4/4 Scourge). Level 0 Kargan vs 4/4 Scourge + Hexdrinker. Then I need to Tremors the Hexdrinker or I face 2 big threats, so it transmutes to the same line.
If I trade Hexdrinker with Kargan below 20 life, I can't even attempt to fight Scourge.
If I just played the land untapped, turn 2 Tremors kills Hexdrinker, they play 3/3 Scourge, and I play Kargan. Level 0 Kargan vs 3/3 Scourge. This is slightly losing less, but 6/6 Scourge still kills me the turn before I reach 8/8.
Basically there's no point in avoiding damage from the 2nd land if I can't force Scourge to be 0/0. The turn 1 critter forces me to interact.
1. Asthereal (TO): Emeria's Call, Turntimber Symbiosis, Hexdrinker, Sword of the Realms 3-3
2. dte: Hexdrinker, Wrenn and six, Turntimber Symbiosis, Shatterskull Smashing 0-6
3. Wrath of Pie: Turntimber Symbiosis, Emeria's Call, Hexdrinker, Mikaeus, the Lunarch 0-6
4. RoosterCocoa: Agadeem's Awakening, Agadeem's Awakening, Scourge of the Skyclaves, Valki, God of Lies 3-3
5. H: Agadeem's Awakening, Agadeem's Awakening, Scourge of the Skyclaves, Scourge of the Skyclaves 6-0
6. GoblinSmashmaster: Emeria's Call, Mikaeus, the Lunarch, Turntimber Symbiosis, Hexdrinker 0-6
7. silkster: Shatterskull Smashing, Turntimber Symbiosis, Wrenn and Six, Heart of Kiran 0-6
8. Serguei: Turntimber, Serpentine Wood; Hexdrinker; Scourge of the Skyclaves; Agadeem's Awakening 0-6
9. Reeplcheep: Turntimber Symbiosis , Shatterskull Smashing, Hexdrinker , Wrenn and Six 0-6
10. PJim: Mox Tantalite, Mox Tantalite, Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy, Rankle, Master of Pranks Math below: 1-4
11. alphastryk: Shatterskull Smashing, Turntimber Symbiosis, Hexdrinker, Wrenn and Six 0-6
12. maxx!: Agadeem's Awakening, Turntimber Symbiosis, Hexdrinker, Scourge of the Skyclaves 0-6
13. jhhdk: Emeria, Shattered Skyclave, Turntimber, Serpentine Wood, Sword of the Realms, Hexdrinker <-- ME
14. mattamort: Hexdrinker, Scourge of the Skyclaves, Agadeem, the Undercrypt, Turntimber, Serpentine Wood 0-6
15. Tylert: Agadeem's awakening, Turntimber symbiosis, Hexdrinker, Scourge of the skyclaves 0-6
16. FTW: Shatterskull Smashing, Shatterskull Smashing, Kargan Dragonlord, Subterranean Tremors 0-6
Total: 13 points. Ouch. (No need pretending I didn't just copy Asthereal's post)
You did change the "me". :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by jhhdk
Preliminary standings for round 3:
1. silkster: 75 - 5
2. Serguei: 66 - 4,4
2. maxx!: 66 - 4,4
2. mattamort: 66 - 4,4
2. Tylert: 66 - 4,4
6. FTW: 52 - 3,5
7. dte: 51 - 3,4
7. Reeplcheep: 51 - 3,4
7. alphastryk: 51 - 3,4
10. RoosterCocoa: 48 - 3,2
11. PJim: 38 - 2,5
12. Wrath of Pie: 27 - 1,8
12. GoblinSmashmaster: 27 - 1,8
14. Asthereal (TO): 13 - 0,9
14. jhhdk: 13 - 0,9
16. H: 0 - 0
Which would lead to these bannings:
Agadeem's Awakening
Heart of Kiran
Hexdrinker
Scourge of the Skyclaves
Shatterskull Smashing
Turntimber Symbiosis
Wrenn and Six
If results still change, I'll adjust in the scores and standings for the season, of course, but I don't see our bannings change, so I'm locking those in.
I hope to open next round soon.
ROUND 4 OF SEASON 10: DEVIANT LEGACY BANNATHON has started.
This round we play Duplicity: Whenever a nontoken creature enters the battlefield, its controller creates a token that’s a copy of that creature.
(The controller of the creature that triggers this ability is considered to be the controller of the trigger itself.)
I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 4, so you can start sending me your decks.
DEADLINE: Wednesday the 9th of June at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)
PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Swamp, Dauthi Slayer, Black Knight.
So with card tags around each card, and not above eachother, and with your Username and 4CB S10R04 in the topic.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. You'll find it in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.
After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.
Also, if you've been lurking on this thread and looking to join, you can step in anytime, any round. That's no problem at all. Just send me your deck before the deadline, and I'll add you to the competition. :smile:
That's interesting, two different scores for the same submission. (Confident 27 is the correct score.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Solved. That was a matchup that was revised, but not for everybody who played that particular four, by the looks of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
Thanks for pointing it out. I overlooked that one.
Deadline has passed, and it looks like I'm missing an entry from H. You must be busy of late.
I'll give you a bit more time while I do work stuff.