[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

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Originally Posted by Tammit67

If I am going to go that route, I think I'd rather have telemin performance, as it hurts the decks you want and destroys non creature decks. It just has broader applications. The random Natural order decks that you'd rather have bribery you'd rather combo off around their poor disruption anyway.

Even with 5 mana sorceries in the board, if you can resolve one, I don't see why you couldn't just resolve anything else and win some other way. It is cute to tell your friends later, but not particularly amazing. And surely doesn't make things unloseable

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I am sorry. I intentionally made that comment as outlandish as possible so no one would take it serious.

Bribery is bad for all the reasons you mentioned and more. If Burning Wish is resolving with five mana against Sneak and Show we are more often than not winning anyway. There are corner cases where this isn't true and Bribery would indeed win the game, but usually it is just a waste of sideboard space.

I've been testing with the following sideboard, and I think it solves the issues that have been addressed. It's pretty close to Bryant's, but a few cards off.

2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Thoughtseize
2 Echoing Truth
1 Deathmark
1 Shattering Spree
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Diminishing Returns
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Past in Flames
3 Xantid Swarm

The thoughtseize is a hedge between duress and inquisition that saves a sideboard slot; while worse than both in the specific matchups where you want them, it gives you 3 good discard effects against maverick while also being a wishable answer to force. I've been playing without grapeshot and haven't noticed any difference, but my sample size is comparatively small. I was also considering cutting the ill-gotten gains for a 4th swarm, as opening one against sneak show and reanimator makes the game hard to lose. The only slight issue is that it gets blocked by griselbrand for 7 life, but generating 3-4 extra storm isn't a huge deal.

The maverick matchup is still about the same, I was undefeated in matches, but lost every game 2, winning the third from being on the play.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Cook

Spell Pierce and Flusterstorm definitely do matter. Have you played the match-up at all? You can't sit there and wait to out draw them in mana. They will kill you first on turn three/four.



Why are we still arguing Xantid? It's not in my list anymore. But... You're missing my original point of Xantid being protection that helps resolve key spells. Bribery doesn't actually do that and sits dead in the sideboard vs. every other archtype that isn't Reanimator or Show and Tell. Xantid was/is more versatile since it can come in vs other decks. Such as Merfolk - it's what a lot of pros were playing at the invitational, the combo mirror, and decks that sideboard out removal.

You cut Ill-Gotten Gains then? My current list has no Xantids, but instead a Duress and the Gains in the sideboard, leaving me with always one wish-able sideboard protection spell. I think you fail to realize how to sideboard with this deck, I was never siding out Probes for all five protection pieces. When I created the five protection sideboard it was a package that was meant to be one or the other - not both.



Ah yes, because Past in Flames or Ill-Gotten Gains never get you there. There are four sideboard engines right now, there aren't too many scenarios where one of them won't win the game.



Yes, let's attack me to make a point. But yet, I'm the one with the "impetuous and adolescent attitude". Look, my lists and threads have results. What exactly have you ever done besides troll the internet?

You could have mana floating, but you would still need mana floating for Bribery anyway.

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Might as well edit the opening post then as the list featured 2 Swarms in the SB

Finished 4-0 yesterday with the old list, beat burn (2-1), Junk (2-1 with a big mistake by myself :P) elves combo (2-0) and sneak and tell (2-1, with progenitus and emrakul, no grizzy)

i really like the old list, i need to test the GP, but, at the moment, i'm fine. i'll test against reanimator and some other decks this week for a tournament on sunday.
i tested with rug delver (without side), and is really hard.... stifle, fow, snare, wasteland and a good clock. Any advice?

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Originally Posted by SaberTooth

Finished 4-0 yesterday with the old list, beat burn (2-1), Junk (2-1 with a big mistake by myself :P) elves combo (2-0) and sneak and tell (2-1, with progenitus and emrakul, no grizzy)

i really like the old list, i need to test the GP, but, at the moment, i'm fine. i'll test against reanimator and some other decks this week for a tournament on sunday.
i tested with rug delver (without side), and is really hard.... stifle, fow, snare, wasteland and a good clock. Any advice?

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Silence/chant should be a priority. I usually play as aggressive as possible against them. More often then not, you silence, they FoW, then you just stare them down and go off anyway. The chances of them having a super fast clock with a bunch of protection too is pretty low.

Obviously if they have no clock just chill and sculpt until you're comfortable going off.

Looks like Ari went in on Bribery and Reanimate for the SCG Detroit Open and did well. I, on the other hand, ran close to as badly as possible for the second competitive tournament in a row. Met some Sourcers whose names I don't recall.

Props to Jon and Ari for recommending Slow's Bar-B-Q, to Slow's for having like two dozen delicious craft beers on tap, and to Chapin and Sullivan for amusing commentary.

Slops to Counterbalance, Candelabra, Cephalid Breakfast, and opponents ripping a second Plating after being made to discard their first.

Quick tournament report:

5-0 not Force of Will (2 Dredge, 1 Death and Taxes, 1 Doomsday, 1 Enchantress). Lost 1 game to Dredge on the draw and 1 where my Dim Ret whiffed (R float, Sea untapped, land drop used) plus gave him a Thalia.

1-0 Reanimator. T2'ed him game 1, he did some stuff and I died G2, then G3 I sat back on double Silence while we both dug for stuff. Could have Infernalled for a second LED, opted to leave mana up and play LED to not be Thoughtseized as mana was tight. He eventually Thoughtseizes himself, I Silence, he bins Grisel showing hand of reanimation. I untap and Reanimate his Grisel, draw 7, and pass with Silence up. He casually died to his Demon, I ran a victory lap around the room.

0-2 vs CB Top. Kept bad hands 1.5 games that were too slow, got T2 CB'ed with either Force, Top/Brainstorm to stack, or both all 4 games.

Only had 1 turn one kill on the day. Was running very cold. Not many opening 7's featuring LED. Also all the Elves players kept dodging me.

Bribery was actually just because I could. Unsure if good or not, aka didn't get to do it to anyone so I have no idea.

The ONLY good point I can see on Bribery is that it can be cast for value under Iona on Black via Burning Wish --> Bribery, even with Chant/Silence protection.

Greetings,

Iñaki.-

Just watched Ari's feature match vs. Death and Taxes. A couple of thoughts:

1.) Chapin and Sullivan didn't know much about the sideboard.
2.) Not having Grapeshot required Ari to leave a Deathmark in the sideboard. I prefer to side them both in. (well it appears your board only has one)
3.) Spree kills the Revokers that commentary mentioned.
4.) No Grapehot in the sideboard = no being awesome on camera. Dislike.
5.) Saito slap?
6.) Please don't ever shuffle my deck Ari. I'll cry.
7.) Game one you didn't Wish for 'mark because you didn't want him to leave back Mother. I understood. Sorry the commentary didn't.
8.) I still think Reanimate and Bribery are cute tricks. But I guess it is kind of cool that you got to reanimate Griselbro.

i'll try again grapeshot in the side. i missed the card the other day against a teeg and elves, but pyroclasm did the work. sometimes i feel that grapeshot is an overkill, i mean you can kill teeg but no canonist, and with a wishboard, you can deal with all these cards anyway

petal into grapeshot does kill canonist. i don't know how often that happens but it is possible.

I can see the reasoning behing cutting the second AdN, but i still don't like it. I agree with Ari on pif, all the times i checked my options for playing burning wish pif was the least preferable one. Probably i'm missing something but i just can't build up a reasonably sizes gy most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Cook

Just watched Ari's feature match vs. Death and Taxes. A couple of thoughts:

1.) Chapin and Sullivan didn't know much about the sideboard.
2.) Not having Grapeshot required Ari to leave a Deathmark in the sideboard. I prefer to side them both in. (well it appears your board only has one)
3.) Spree kills the Revokers that commentary mentioned.
4.) No Grapehot in the sideboard = no being awesome on camera. Dislike.
5.) Saito slap?
6.) Please don't ever shuffle my deck Ari. I'll cry.
7.) Game one you didn't Wish for 'mark because you didn't want him to leave back Mother. I understood. Sorry the commentary didn't.
8.) I still think Reanimate and Bribery are cute tricks. But I guess it is kind of cool that you got to reanimate Griselbro.

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where can i view the archived coverage??

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Originally Posted by chrisk

petal into grapeshot does kill canonist. i don't know how often that happens but it is possible.

I can see the reasoning behing cutting the second AdN, but i still don't like it. I agree with Ari on pif, all the times i checked my options for playing burning wish pif was the least preferable one. Probably i'm missing something but i just can't build up a reasonably sizes gy most of the time.

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I use PiF against Rug decks. They counter a lot of our spells while bringing our life down low. Big help.

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Originally Posted by n0mad

where can i view the archived coverage??

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http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/322528713
Skip to around 6:25:00 for Ari's match. Also check out his most recent SCG article if you have premium.

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Originally Posted by chrisk

petal into grapeshot does kill canonist. i don't know how often that happens but it is possible.

I can see the reasoning behing cutting the second AdN, but i still don't like it. I agree with Ari on pif, all the times i checked my options for playing burning wish pif was the least preferable one. Probably i'm missing something but i just can't build up a reasonably sizes gy most of the time.

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ye, you're right, but pyorclasm seems a little less situational, since u don't need petal.

i agree with past in flames, but, a couples days ago, past in flames gave me 2 matches, so now i see the card with new eyes. the funny thing about PiF that day was that post-2 REALLY BAD ad nauseams, and with only 1 life left, that was the only card that saved my ass

Edit: sry for my english :S

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Originally Posted by thefringthing

http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/322528713
Skip to around 6:25:00 for Ari's match.

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thanks man!

I changed my sideboard for what feels like the fifteenth time this week. I'm very close to the sideboard cutberthecat posted except I'm still running Grapeshot over the third Xantid Swarm.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Cook

I changed my sideboard for what feels like the fifteenth time this week. I'm very close to the sideboard cutberthecat posted except I'm still running Grapeshot over the third Xantid Swarm.

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Yeah, I've been testing and I'm pretty sure grapeshot is correct. For example, today I was playing against u/w miracles with the 2 ad naus list and I came into a situation where I had to ad nauseam end step once into the second ad naus and tendrils, flip down to 1 life, play out spells into tendrils for 6 storm from 1 life to turn on both the second ad naus and my 2 city of brass, ad naus again, and come up with only 4 mana available with a burning wish and 17 storm from digging around with cantrips and casting all my chrome moxen with my opponent at 17 life from fetches and force. Granted, this is very conditional, but losing there for no reason felt pretty shitty.

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Originally Posted by cuthbertthecat

Yeah, I've been testing and I'm pretty sure grapeshot is correct. For example, today I was playing against u/w miracles with the 2 ad naus list and I came into a situation where I had to ad nauseam end step once into the second ad naus and tendrils, flip down to 1 life, play out spells into tendrils for 6 storm from 1 life to turn on both the second ad naus and my 2 city of brass, ad naus again, and come up with only 4 mana available with a burning wish and 17 storm from digging around with cantrips and casting all my chrome moxen with my opponent at 17 life from fetches and force. Granted, this is very conditional, but losing there for no reason felt pretty shitty.

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2 Ad Nauseams! Would've won if it was a Probe! Also, I often have too many of those corner cases where Grapeshot is good. People think it's only for showboating, it's not.

I've been testing this deck when I have some spare time, and really those Probes are lovelly! You almost don't need to scout other decklists since you get Probe, and it's a free storm count that can turn into another storm count after drawing.

Mr. Cook how's going your sideboard now? :laugh: anyone here feels that those Xantid Swarm are becoming a little strange on the sideboard?
At least I don't feel very confortable with them...