[Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

I've been running just a red splash for Blood Moon and Nahiri online for awhile now. I've had decent success with my list online going 3-2 / 4-1 in pretty much every legacy league I do. I was thinking about going to Eternal Extravaganza in two weeks though and I'm not sure this list is ideal for paper where you see a lot more Death and Taxes which is probably the best matchup for the black splash and Doomwake Giant. I hadn't considered a 4C list but I think I might start grinding game online with that. How many fetches do you think are good? I've been running 6 in just the red splash. Do you still play Karakas?

I played with the Karakas in the list the other night. Looking back I probably should've cut it for the taiga. I think moon with doomwake is possible. Abundant growth is a nice fixer. The turns don't get to be nearly as crazy though because sanctum gets turned off. I think I would cut a single exploration and go to 1. I play 5 fetches currently. 6 may be correct though

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Originally Posted by simdude

I've been running just a red splash for Blood Moon and Nahiri online for awhile now. I've had decent success with my list online going 3-2 / 4-1 in pretty much every legacy league I do. I was thinking about going to Eternal Extravaganza in two weeks though and I'm not sure this list is ideal for paper where you see a lot more Death and Taxes which is probably the best matchup for the black splash and Doomwake Giant. I hadn't considered a 4C list but I think I might start grinding game online with that. How many fetches do you think are good? I've been running 6 in just the red splash. Do you still play Karakas?

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Same...

I run Nahiri on my list as well, I have a 6 fetch count with a 4-1-1 split. However I went for a combination of Zenith and Tutor with a 4-2 split.
However, I do not main any blood moon as it is on the side, and I would bring in Sigil when I would bring in blood moons as well as Emrakul gets turned off.

This is the list I am running:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post971814

Though it's a little outdated as I run Pithing Needle now (from what used to be Songs of Dryad) in the side that I can easily tutor for.

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Originally Posted by Claymore1

Same...

I run Nahiri on my list as well, I have a 6 fetch count with a 4-1-1 split. However I went for a combination of Zenith and Tutor with a 4-2 split.
However, I do not main any blood moon as it is on the side, and I would bring in Sigil when I would bring in blood moons as well as Emrakul gets turned off.

This is the list I am running:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post971814

Though it's a little outdated as I run Pithing Needle now (from what used to be Songs of Dryad) in the side that I can easily tutor for.

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I moved Sigil main, emrakul board. So I lose an uncounterable win condition, but I've got three others so I still can win a game if my opponent decided to go on the, let everything through but win conditions plan. Deck looks pretty clunky right now though. Might drop rip for replenish and other stuff. Dunno.

hey guys,

How do you approach the infect matchup? I'm using the GW build with helm combo. Thanks in advance.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by cheerios

hey guys,

How do you approach the infect matchup?

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Usually I roll over and die ;)


But nah, more serious answer: winning is really tough. Once I boarded a Melira as a GSZ target, and he managed to just beat me for something like 18 nonpoison dmg in 1 turn (which is lethal after fetching).

I try to drop Grass as soon as possible, but maintaining it is hard and you're just delaying the inevitable. If they have Hierarch out, Grass doesn't do a lot.
I also try to get a Humility or Confinement out as quickly as possible, but you'd need 2 or a Grove cuz they'll have Krosan Grip boarded in for sure. And Humility at 4 is not really very likely to happen when you're dead before that.

If you splash black, Engineered Plague seems very nice (also good vs Elves & DnT which aren't usually the best MUs for Enchantress) but I haven't tested it myself yet.

Yeah it's awful. I'd rather play against storm than Infect honestly, that's how poor of a match up it is. EPlague on human stops hierarch and agent, but doesn't stop glistener elf or inkmoth. Doomwake is nice, but doesn't stop inkmoth which is why I like boarding Seal of Primordium, but it's just awful. I've debated playing Moments Peace, but it's not good. There's a new enchantment that adds 4 energy and fogs a single source for the cost of 2 energy. It's probably bad but it's the only thing that's remotely playable for this deck in the new set

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Originally Posted by Claymore1

Same...

I run Nahiri on my list as well, I have a 6 fetch count with a 4-1-1 split. However I went for a combination of Zenith and Tutor with a 4-2 split.
However, I do not main any blood moon as it is on the side, and I would bring in Sigil when I would bring in blood moons as well as Emrakul gets turned off.

This is the list I am running:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post971814

Though it's a little outdated as I run Pithing Needle now (from what used to be Songs of Dryad) in the side that I can easily tutor for.

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First, what a fantastic looking deck. Also I'm glad someone else is running Nahiri. I think she's a real, viable choice. Although obviously there will be some metagames (like the miracles over-saturated MTGO) where she shines more than others. But I'm much more interested in your thoughts on 3-Sphere and REB. I've seen 3-sphere in sideboards before but I've never actually tested it out myself but I've never considered REB. What matches are you sideboarding both of those in for?

I don't want to speak for Claymore, but I'd say 3 ball for storm and maybe Elfs? REB for show and chimp, I'd rather max out on ORings I think personally.

If you know infect is everywhere, might be stupid but Dense Foliage might be worth a shot at least until you can get a Solitary online. Even if your running RiP/Helm, you might try adding a Bayou and some E. Plagues/Doomwake in the board. The later takes up more SB slots but is overall better on more match ups.

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Originally Posted by harbingerofthevoid

If you know infect is everywhere, might be stupid but Dense Foliage might be worth a shot at least until you can get a Solitary online. Even if your running RiP/Helm, you might try adding a Bayou and some E. Plagues/Doomwake in the board. The later takes up more SB slots but is overall better on more match ups.

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Dense Foliage seems like it has the same problems that all the other cards have in that they're way too slow and don't really solve your problem. You might just be better off playing swords or Kirtar's Desire and hope to delay them to a point until you can establish some sort of lock. If you're really dedicated you can always play Melira, Sylvok Outcast but at that point it might just be worthwhile to call it a bad matchup and hope you avoid it.

Trinisphere is also really good against Aluren (a must-decay for them) which is more popular on mtgo though. And it's a beating against the new OmniTack derpdecks; O Ring/Humility/Karakas are often not enough since they now run Omniscience + Cunning Wish package. I have found out on Mtgo that my only surefire way to win against Omnitack is to drop 3Spgere off the Show n Tell, and attempt to cast the O Ring/... on my own consecutive turn if I have both. They can't Fow it anyway, as Fow also gets nuked by 3Sp

I didn't know the infect matchup was really that bad. Hmmmm. I should probably add 4 peacekeepers in the SB.

cheers,

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Originally Posted by cheerios

I didn't know the infect matchup was really that bad. Hmmmm. I should probably add 4 peacekeepers in the SB.

cheers,

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Ha, that's a funny thought. They probably wouldn't be able to deal with that in any way besides countering :p but not after resolving.

4 seems a lot though? Mirri's Guile/Sensei's Divining Top lets you dig, agreed though that you'd want it turn 2 if possible (but Daze?), but 4 slots for a matchup that's maybe 3-5% of the metagame? I can't imagine other matchups where you'd want this, except maybe Eldrazi after they board out their Dismembers (but against Eldrazi, other cards are better so that still wouldn't warrant 4 slots this way imho). And Mana Dredge (manaless has the Flayer kill that doesn't require attacking), but there Elephant Grass should already do the trick.

If you're really worried about infect in general, and want slots that only serve that matchup, f.ex. cuz 5 people at your shop play it, a 1x GSZ target like Melira seems better since that automatically becomes a 5x. They can't beat Peacekeeper at all, and can still attack for normal damage through Melira to try to win, but that goes 2x as slow so it'll give you more chances of finding other lock pieces.

PS Melira is funky with Phyrexian Unlife against other matchups too ;-P but one probably shouldnt go there seriously (although I've tried Unlife; +10 life against Eldrazi etc can come in very handy, and storm can't beat that).

Never thought about peace keeper tbh. It's good versus drazi, show and chimp, infect, reanimator?

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Never thought about peace keeper tbh. It's good versus drazi, show and chimp, infect, reanimator?

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Wish I had thought of this when elves was all over the fucking place. This is sweet tech.

Elves will still board in 4 Decay so can't rely on that solely. Especially as paying the upkeep each turn will prevent you from developing the board a lot. Landing something like Humility to stop Reclamation Sage / Wirewood Symbiote shenanigans still seems key to me.

Show & Tell seems to go back a bit more towards Omniscience (even the Sneaky Show variants), those also run Wishes right? Then it becomes less good than against old school Show & Tell.

Agree with Drazi, Reanimator and Infect though. (altho I've also seen Reanimator board in their decays, so again don't rely on it alone :p )

@Simdude

I bring in 3-spheres for the likes of storm based decks, and as well as SnT decks, my main concern when it comes to those decks is that Emrakul off SnT is not really as threatening, as opposed to Omni as they just flat out win on the spot. EtB triggers has not been successful for me really, as they just drop Omni and starts chaining spells in response to the trigger. The REB is there as just testing in my part, I replaced cards that I would normally bring in against blue based decks.


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Regarding the infect match up, what Cheetos said is actually not a bad idea that I tried a while back, it's not just for infect but for the likes of Elves as well. Except that I went for a different route back then that used Living Wish. In order to grab either, peacekeeper, Emrakul, Aegis of the Gods, or an enchantess-type creature (wether its an argothian, or Eidolon). I tried it for a bit back then, however, it just consumed too much space for me and I wasn't very successful with it, but that's me though, I'm sure others can and will have better results. So I put the idea on hold for now.

There is a player that also ran it, well I saw a few of his matches in youtube a while back, went by the name of Tony Ronallo. He uses living wish as well. While I may have dabbled with the idea back then and may not have been sucessful with it, doesn't mean others can't. Sometimes figuring out the proper shell, and proper ratios are difficult. :) So to those who's experimenting, feel free to share your results, experiences, and thoughts.

Here's his games that he played. Just copy and paste these in your youtube search bar.
[Legacy] Round 1: Alex Daily (Lands) vs. Tony Ranallo (Enchantress)
[Legacy] Round 3B: Alex Ledo (12 Post) vs. Tony Ranallo (Enchantress)

I kind like the new card (as a 1-off in the side), Authority of the Consuls, specially since I run tutors (just 1 Sb slot and just 1 mana to drop it), it does a pretty good job versus Elves and Sneak Attack.

That card is nice against elfs and sneak. I have gone 5-1 (2-1 last week, 3-0 tonight) with the following list. I'm not sure how good it is, but drawing two off of blood moon is fun

4 Wild Growth
4 Utopia Sprawl
1 Abundant Growth
3 Mirris Guile
3 Elephant Grass
4 Argothian Enchantress
4 Enchantress's Presence
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Blood Moon
1 Solitary Confinement
1 Sphere of Safety
1 Words of War
1 Doomwake Giant
1 Sigil of the Empty Throne
2 Rest in Peace
3 Sterling Grove
2 Exploration
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Oath of Nissa

4 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
3 Serra's Sanctum
1 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
7 Forest
1 Plains

Sideboard:
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Solitary Confinement
2 Stony Silence
1 Engineered Plague
1 Sun Titan
2 Seal of Primordium
1 Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
1 Karmic Justice
2 Banishing Light

Oath was pretty meh. It's probably better in the Nahiri Builds. Might put in a mainboard Banishing Light or Seal. Main board rest in peace without helm was pretty meh, but I had no matches against decks that care about the graveyard. Probably cut one for a City of Solitude since not having Emrakul main makes counters a bit better against me. Then Drop a second one for a replenish.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

That card is nice against elfs and sneak. I have gone 5-1 (2-1 last week, 3-0 tonight) with the following list. I'm not sure how good it is, but drawing two off of blood moon is fun

4 Wild Growth
4 Utopia Sprawl
1 Abundant Growth
3 Mirris Guile
3 Elephant Grass
4 Argothian Enchantress
4 Enchantress's Presence
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Blood Moon
1 Solitary Confinement
1 Sphere of Safety
1 Words of War
1 Doomwake Giant
1 Sigil of the Empty Throne
2 Rest in Peace
3 Sterling Grove
2 Exploration
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Oath of Nissa

4 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
3 Serra's Sanctum
1 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
7 Forest
1 Plains

Sideboard:
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Solitary Confinement
2 Stony Silence
1 Engineered Plague
1 Sun Titan
2 Seal of Primordium
1 Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
1 Karmic Justice
2 Banishing Light

Oath was pretty meh. It's probably better in the Nahiri Builds. Might put in a mainboard Banishing Light or Seal. Main board rest in peace without helm was pretty meh, but I had no matches against decks that care about the graveyard. Probably cut one for a City of Solitude since not having Emrakul main makes counters a bit better against me. Then Drop a second one for a replenish.

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I like that you play 2x Exploration, I had done that for awhile and have since shaved to 1 but having it in multiples is great to chain Sanctums. Are you playing a Helm somewhere? Seems like it would be a good add to the MD for card #61 as you have MD Rip and 1x E-tutor.