[Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

I'm of the school of exploration being really good. I've considered going to 1, but I don't really know what I'd even be adding. Tbh, o took out RIP/Helm right before the event. It might be fine to keep, but I figured on trying out some different win conditions. This is the first time I've played the words cards, and one thing I really like about it is that once I get down a third, and sometimes even second enchantress effect I end up with another 1 or two in hand that I don't want to cast. Words makes it so I actually do want to cast extra effects because it's just more damage. I wax and wane on Sigil. I don't know how much I like it, but with moon being main, emrakul isn't the greatest. Like I said in my post, I've been debating cutting the RIPs from the main now that I don't have Helm anymore.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Sounds sweet. Can you post your list? I'm currently on the Black splash with 1 Taiga and 1 Blood Moon in the board, but it'd be interesting to see what a true 4C list looks like.

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When I first built this deck years ago I was advised 4C would get one into trouble, and I never gave it much independent thought. But if we can pull it off it sounds delightful! Also something deliciously cheeky about running every colour but blue in a blue heavy format.

Anyone have good experiences with 4C?

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

I'm of the school of exploration being really good. I've considered going to 1, but I don't really know what I'd even be adding. Tbh, o took out RIP/Helm right before the event. It might be fine to keep, but I figured on trying out some different win conditions. This is the first time I've played the words cards, and one thing I really like about it is that once I get down a third, and sometimes even second enchantress effect I end up with another 1 or two in hand that I don't want to cast. Words makes it so I actually do want to cast extra effects because it's just more damage. I wax and wane on Sigil. I don't know how much I like it, but with moon being main, emrakul isn't the greatest. Like I said in my post, I've been debating cutting the RIPs from the main now that I don't have Helm anymore.

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It is really good, especially when comboing off and you need more mana. The random wins with Rip/Helm are cool but not being able to use Replenish I feel hurts the deck overall, unless your meta is full of Dredge/ Reanimator. Words is one of the best win cons since you can't deck yourself when Sigil/ Emmy end up being in the bottom 10. It sucks since it can easily be Needled. Words of Wilding could be a great add in too since you can over run over opponents with the tokens. I have been playing Sacred Mesa and I feel it should be changed out for WoWilding. I am also a huge fan of Sylvan Library as well and has great synergy.

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Originally Posted by B is for Big Job

It is really good, especially when comboing off and you need more mana. The random wins with Rip/Helm are cool but not being able to use Replenish I feel hurts the deck overall, unless your meta is full of Dredge/ Reanimator. Words is one of the best win cons since you can't deck yourself when Sigil/ Emmy end up being in the bottom 10. It sucks since it can easily be Needled. Words of Wilding could be a great add in too since you can over r un over opponents with the tokens. I have been playing Sacred Mesa and I feel it should be changed out for WoWilding. I am also a huge fan of Sylvan Library as well and has great synergy.

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While I can't condone cutting Mesa for Words of Wilding, I do like a 1-of Sylvan Library if you go down the Words path. Words of War is still a great win condition that combos with Sylvan, and if you're doing that I like a 1/1 or 2/1split of Confinement with Words of Worship as a way of soft-locking people if you're relying on Sylvan or otherwise can't get a Confinement lock up. Most decks can't beat 15 life/turn to begin with, and even if they can you will have bought yourself so much time before they got 20 elementals or 3 Goyfs or whatever that you should be able to win before it matters.

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Originally Posted by B is for Big Job

Words is one of the best win cons since you can't deck yourself when Sigil/ Emmy end up being in the bottom 10.

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This is a crutch. If you are judicious with your Green Sun's Zeniths and your number of Enchantress effects in play, you can simply recycle the Zeniths. Also, if you really wanted to, you could draw into Emrakul and discard it to hand size to reshuffle. This is occasionally the right play.

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Originally Posted by ESG

This is a crutch. If you are judicious with your Green Sun's Zeniths and your number of Enchantress effects in play, you can simply recycle the Zeniths. Also, if you really wanted to, you could draw into Emrakul and discard it to hand size to reshuffle. This is occasionally the right play.

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I won a game at GP Prague that way against Merfolk this summer. He had Chalice out on 1 and 2, I was on Emrakul & Rip/Helm as wincons during the GP. Because of not being able to resolve any sprawls, I couldn't get to 15 mana easily (and no Rip with chalice on 2) but he was Choke-locked + probably some other lock pieces as well. So I just dropped all my 1 and 2 drops into Chalice to draw my whole deck in a few turns, then discarded Emrakul & reshuffled, and went through my deck another time & discarded Emmy again and then he conceded totally frustrated because he had no way to win so I would just keep doing this until he decked himself.


Anyway, finished another League yesterday; started off really strong at 3-0,
wins against OmniTack (2-1; lost game 1, then won game 2 on the back of Humility and game 3 on the back of Trinisphere),
UR Delver (2-0)
and Miracles (2-0);

sadly lost 0-2 to Lands then by being Ghost Quarter + Loam locked 2 games in a row, so gone my chances of 5-0 and making the records ;) There G1 I also attempted the Emrakul reshuffle to get my basics back into my deck to be able to fetch them off Ghost Quarter again, because after a few turns I had run out of basics. Sadly he had Bojuka Bog before I could do that, effectively leaving me with 0 nonfetchlands in deck :p and g2, just as I had 13 mana & Emmy in hand, he drew Crop Rotation for Ghost Quarter to start taking out my Sprawled Lands.

and lost round 5 to Eldrazi. So 3-2, still made back my entry fee but feels bad after such a great start :) Against Lands I really missed Rip, maybe I should try 2 Rip, 1 Helm in the SB again against some of these matchups; my IRL meta also has enough Reanimator/Dredge/Lands to warrant that usually.


Playing this list:

2 Serra's Sanctum
1 Karakas
1 Plains
7 Forest
1 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
3 Wooded Foothills

1 Dryad Arbor

4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Replenish

4 Argothian Enchantress
1 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

3 Carpet of Flowers
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Wild Growth
4 Enchantress's Presence
3 Elephant Grass
4 Solitary Confinement
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Banishing Light
1 Sigil of the Empty Throne
2 Mirri's Guile
2 Sensei's Divining Top


SB
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Pithing Needle
2 Trinisphere
1 Krosan Grip
1 City of Solitude
2 Humility
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Elephant Grass

Yeah I've won my fair share of games by simply either discarding emrakul over and over and decking them, or by casting green Sun over and over and doing the same thing. The words are a nice way to not deck, but not necessary. I've never decked myself before with the deck. I've had a few times where my last three cards are all green sun's though

Hello,

I've just recently bought into Legacy with the GW version of Enchantress. I had a good first week with the deck but the last few haven't been so hot.

My local meta seems to have a lot of one-of decks with sporadic attendees, but the average looks something like this:
2-DnT
2-Storm
2-Elves
1-Miracles
1-Show and Tell
With appearances from Dredge, BUG, Belcher, Tinfins, Merfolk, and Infect.

Could someone give me a general impression of these matchups? I've found most of them to be a bit rough if not unwinnable-feeling so far. Are there any SB cards that really stand-out against this meta? What might a good SB look like here? I've been running 2 Helm 1 Emra to try and keep pace with the fast decks.

Sideboarding has been difficult because of how tight the list seems, I'm never sure what is a valid candidate for cutting. Is there a SB guide around? What core-ish cards can be cut?

Eidolon of Blossoms seems really slow to me and I've been struggling to find it's value in the list. Am I missing something or is this feeling likely a product of my meta?

Apologies for the wall of questions, I feel like I've jumped into the deck too quickly and would really appreciate some direction.

Thanks

That actually sounds like a pretty rough meta for Enchantress since half of the regular decks are of the fast combo variety. Can you post your 75? It's hard to give advice without knowing what you're currently doing. Eidolon is there primarily so you can GSZ to to draw a card if you get stuck on spells with a Confinement out, and as a 12-13th Enchantress effect.

That is truly a horrible meta for you. I'd advise getting a bayou and adding two doomwake giant. If you resolve it against death and taxes with a Sterling Grove out, the game is simply over. It's also your best tool to defeat elves and infect as well, which are otherwise pretty awful. That meta I would also run at least 1, maybe two humility as it's important for fighting elfs. Otherwise good luck man. Your meta seems to be really full of the like 4 decks that are basically auto losses

Well shoot.

I don't really have a set list yet, but have pretty much everything for GW except a Karakas and a Savannah. (Should I skip those and pick up a Bayou?) Within the GW framework I should definitely be running Humility then, what about Trinisphere? additional Enlightened Tutors to find Helm combo quick/get TSphere? I'm fine with being stuck in a shitty meta as it usually switches itself up after a while (At least I've noticed this trend with the local modern scene and have observed it in Legacy) a lot of people seem like their building new decks so maybe I'll catch a break over the course of the year. I also just really enjoy the deck so I have no intention of changing.

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Originally Posted by Graycross

Hello,

I've just recently bought into Legacy with the GW version of Enchantress. I had a good first week with the deck but the last few haven't been so hot.

My local meta seems to have a lot of one-of decks with sporadic attendees, but the average looks something like this:
2-DnT
2-Storm
2-Elves
1-Miracles
1-Show and Tell
With appearances from Dredge, BUG, Belcher, Tinfins, Merfolk, and Infect.

Could someone give me a general impression of these matchups? I've found most of them to be a bit rough if not unwinnable-feeling so far. Are there any SB cards that really stand-out against this meta? What might a good SB look like here? I've been running 2 Helm 1 Emra to try and keep pace with the fast decks.

Sideboarding has been difficult because of how tight the list seems, I'm never sure what is a valid candidate for cutting. Is there a SB guide around? What core-ish cards can be cut?

Eidolon of Blossoms seems really slow to me and I've been struggling to find it's value in the list. Am I missing something or is this feeling likely a product of my meta?

Apologies for the wall of questions, I feel like I've jumped into the deck too quickly and would really appreciate some direction.

Thanks

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As some of the others mentioned, this is a rough meta for enchantress. Storm, sneak, infect, elves, belcher and tin fins are among the worst possible MUs. There are ways you can metagame against them though, but it generally requires a trade-off vs the fair decks. For example, if you really want to beat ANT try a maindeck Gaddock Teeg. It's an I win button in game 1, and you can realistically zenith for it on T2. Of course, you still have to win game 2 or 3, but this is possible post board.

For the elves, infect and sneak MUs maybe you could try the peacekeeper technology that was being discussed earlier?

Regarding eidolon, it might be a bit too slow for your meta.

Welcome to Enchantress! It's definitely a tough deck to learn the format with, but it's the type of deck that pays off if you marry it.

You can get by without Karakas, but I'd definitely run 1 Savannah. You want basics the first 2 turns, but having a fetchable Savannah is extremely helpful for fixing your mana after that. Megadeus's suggestion of adding Bayou and Doomwake is smart, but for a starting list, adding a Savannah is probably more important than splashing black.

Not everyone agrees on Eidolon. As you've said, he's slow. I like him, though, as a way to keep your Solitary Confinement online.

I'm not aware of a good sideboarding guide out there. For the time being, I'd recommend only adding 1-3 cards per matchup; focus on learning the maindeck, and that'll help you figure out which cards aren't useful in any given matchup. Some sideboards cards I've liked for your matchups:
- Leyline of Sanctity is a good 3-4 of. It helps vs Storm and Belcher, and is also fun if you run into Burn. Storm can deal with it, and Empty The Warrens gets aorund it, but it's a nice speedbump until you can get other defenses online.
- Banishing Light and Oblivion Ring are somewhat helpful vs Show & Tell decks. Omniscience and Sneak Attack get around them, but if they just Show & Tell in a creature, these deal with that. They have other uses too, like eating Jace or DnT's annoying hatebears.
- City of Solitude and Choke are useful against anything with countermagic; I'd recommend 1 of each in the board, and City is also mainboardable. City is also useful vs DnT (shuts off Port, which is one of their best maindeck cards against us).
- If you splash black, Doomwake Giant is great. Dread of Night is nice vs DnT and Mentor Miracles, and Engineered Plague is good vs Elves and, to a lesser extent, Merfolk. Thoughtseize can also be a good card vs combo.
- Seal of Primordium helps with Miracles, and if Chalice decks ever show up in your meta it helps there, too.
- Sigarda is good vs Show & Tell, as she somewhat shuts off Emrakul. She can also be good vs DnT, as she stops them from Cataclysming you out of the game.
- I'm trying 1 Ulamog in the board; it's a mediocre Show & Tell card to put in, but also lets you play a more 12-Postish game vs Miracles.

Next time you play, post up the 75 you ran. It's much easier to give advice is we can see your list!

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Originally Posted by ESG

This is a crutch. If you are judicious with your Green Sun's Zeniths and your number of Enchantress effects in play, you can simply recycle the Zeniths. Also, if you really wanted to, you could draw into Emrakul and discard it to hand size to reshuffle. This is occasionally the right play.

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I've decked myself vs Miracles by having all my GSZs countered.

Doesn't a slow draw engine in that combo centric a meta seem a bit counterproductive? Like, wouldn't you want to load up on Teeg, Giants, Brain Maggots, Stony Silences and such ASAP?

For anyone on the black splash: when do you bring in Engineered Plague? I've got 1 in the board for Elves, but would like to know other good applications. There's obviously the occasional other tribal deck (Merfolk, Goblins, etc), and I thought it might be useful vs anything that's trying to Empty The Warrens me.

Kind of subjective, but it's good against mentor and pyromancer decks, name human against infect, and most tribal. It's probably not worth a slot against merfish. Maybe human against dnt, but meh. Also remember naming human will kill your own argothian. I think mostly elves and infect are the two match ups you really want it in.

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Originally Posted by Fjaulnir

Playing this list:

2 Serra's Sanctum
1 Karakas
1 Plains
7 Forest
1 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
3 Wooded Foothills

1 Dryad Arbor

4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Replenish

4 Argothian Enchantress
1 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

3 Carpet of Flowers
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Wild Growth
4 Enchantress's Presence
3 Elephant Grass
4 Solitary Confinement
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Banishing Light
1 Sigil of the Empty Throne
2 Mirri's Guile
2 Sensei's Divining Top


SB
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Pithing Needle
2 Trinisphere
1 Krosan Grip
1 City of Solitude
2 Humility
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Elephant Grass

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Had another pretty good run online with the above list.

Finished 4-1 in a league yesterday, with above list + 1 basic forest as 61st card.

2-0 against Miracles
2-0 against 4C Bant
2-0 against 4C Bant (got paired against the same guy twice in a row cuz he dropped after his first loss & rejoined, ouch for him :) )
2-0 against Patriot Delver
0-2 against Esper Stoneblade. G1 I kept a hand I probably shouldn't have, and G2 Notion Thief out of the sideboard meant game over.


Then last night + today I had the above (so without the extra basic), finished 3-2.

0-2 against BUG Delver
2-1 against Belcher
2-0 against Miracles
(1-1 against BUG Delver, after which the programme bugged out while I was ahead in g3 so that game score got annulled)
0-2 against UR Delver, played very sillily into a Price of Progress there (at 4 life), which could have been avoided as I realised the mistake 0,1 second after playing the 2nd nonbasic, with 3 Elephant Grass + Leyline out to prevent any damage that wasn't PoP... still beat myself up over that!
2-1 against BUG Delver

Deathrite Shaman is still often the thing killing me - stabilise around 4-6 life with Grass, Confinement but them having 1-2 Deathrites that I only have a Banishing Light to stop (maindeck), is definately tough to beat. Often lost to Deathrites with a lock out, and all the cards to kill him next turn.

If deathrite is an issue you could always run Ground Seal so that your Replenish still works. It also hates on loam nicely and most of reanimators spells. Also randomly nice against surgical, which I've had happen to my presences before

I was considering that as GY hate indeed :) although RIP has the additional benefit of stopping Dredge, Storm and Goyfs better. I usually side in the Peedle against any Deathrite deck just to be sure - and they usually also run Lili in those builds (except "grixis" delver, but don't think I usually side in Peedle there) so it has more applications

It cantripping is very nice too against those grindy decks that usually run discard, so I'll put one in the board from now on as a test.

When I started Legacy (around RTR, so when Decay-Deathrite decks were very popular), I used to run 1 Ground Seal maindeck even...



Edit: and another 4-1 finish with the 61-card list (i.e. with the +1 basic forest), yay! :tongue: Feels like I'm closing in on the list that's working for me.

2-0 against Sneaky Show/OmniTack, 2-0 against Miracles, 2-1 against Shardless (sided in Ground Seal but didn't cast it, as I had Scooze + like 6-7 mana out without any other engine against DRS + Goyf, so that kept me alive), 0-2 against Belcher, 2-1 against Miracles.


Also REALLY happy with the current 2-2 split Guile/Top. They both have their function, so I like the split better than sticking to just 1 of them.