4 Card Blind

1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Mishra's Factory, Giant Killer, Swords to Plowshares WW
2. Wrath of Pie: Taiga, Mishra's Factory, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment WL Disagreemnt? OTD you go off before me.
3. Reeplcheep: Crystal Vein, Arcbound Ravager, Clockwork Beetle, Leyline of the Void LL
4. alphastryk: Leyline of the Void, Unmask, Subterranean Hangar, Shriekmaw LL
5. dte: Tarnished citadel, Death's shadow, Tinder Wall, Lodestone golem WL
6. Phasmoid: Phyrexian Walker, Swamp, Culling the Weak, Mana Skimmer WL
7. jhhdk: Forest, Tinder Wall, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment ME
8. Tylert: Leyline of the void, Rishadan port, Mutavault, Chronomaton LL
9. shiftyhomunculus: Tropical Island, Young Wolf, Daze, Nature's Claim WD DL , WL
10. RoosterCocoa: Subterranean Hangar, Phyrexian Obliterator, Faerie Macabre, Murderous Rider LL
11. maxx!: Forest, Tinder Wall, Narnam Renegade, Collective Defiance LL
12. mattamort: Leyline of the void, Unmask, Peat bog, Bitterblossom LL
13. Serguei: Peat Bog;BitterBlossom;Unmask;Surgical extraction LL
14. PJim: Leyline of the Void, Maze of Ith, Icatian Store, Karn Liberated LL
15. silkster: Tinder Farm, Narnam Renegade, Goblin Bombardment, Leyline of Sanctity LL
16. GoblinSmashmaster: Taiga, Tinder Wall, Collective Defiance, Crashing Footfalls LL
17. FTW: Leyline of the Void, Badlands, Bloodhall Ooze, Duress LL

Sorry everybody, I was on vacation with just my phone who's web browser would not properly load pages. I should be good for next week though. Seems we are doing OK even so, 17? Was I holding people back or something? :laugh:

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Originally Posted by jhhdk

9. shiftyhomunculus: Tropical Island, Young Wolf, Daze, Nature's Claim WL

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Could you please explain your take this one? I have us as DD - quoting my earlier post:

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OTP, I can Daze Tinder Wall and trap Bombardment in your hand; OTD, recurring Tinder Wall makes Daze redundant after your first turn, but I can Nature's Claim your Goblin Bombardment to stop the combo. Either way, we are left with two Young Wolves, which stalemate. Two draws.

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Originally Posted by shiftyhomunculus

Could you please explain your take this one? I have us as DD - quoting my earlier post:

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I think this is WD for jhhdk.
J can win OTP by playing around Daze but missed that you can't win OTD, only stop the combo with Daze. You do have Nature's Claim, but that means leaving mana open and never casting a creature.

OTP
J - Tinder Wall, go (plays around Daze)
S - Wolf, go

J - Wolf. Bombardment -> Infinite damage (with mana to pay for Daze on anything)
To avoid that, you can't cast Wolf and have to leave Nature's Claim up to interact

J - Tinder Wall, go (plays around Daze)
S - Land, go

J - Wolf, go (can pay for Daze)
S - If you play Wolf, combo beats you. If you don't, Wolf beats you. You don't have the tempo to deal with both.
Win

OTD
S - Wolf, go
J - Tinder Wall or Wolf eats Daze, then the other one draws vs Wolf
Draw

WD 4-1 for jhhdk

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Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie

2. Wrath of Pie: Taiga, Mishra's Factory, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment
7. jhhdk: Forest, Tinder Wall, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment LL - Turn 1 kill is better than turn 2 kill.

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Turn 1 Kill would be better, but this is only turn 2 kill because Young Wolf needs green mana (unlike Rakdos Cackler). So you trade turn 2 kills here WL 3-3

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Originally Posted by mattamort

I dont think this line works as well if we decide to attack earlier and let rider as 1/2 forever.

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Yeah, your logic makes sense.

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Originally Posted by H

Sorry everybody, I was on vacation with just my phone who's web browser would not properly load pages. I should be good for next week though. Seems we are doing OK even so, 17? Was I holding people back or something? :laugh:

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Welcome back! Yeah, we're growing like bamboo right now. If we keep going like this, I might need to start a waiting list. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Asthereal

Welcome back! Yeah, we're growing like bamboo right now. If we keep going like this, I might need to start a waiting list. :wink:

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I imagine you are at-least-mostly joking, but if the number of
participants does get to be problematically large, at least the
time needed to work out match results
issue could be mitigated by not doing a full round-robin.

(Instead, one could use only the matches corresponding
to the edges of a moderately-dense expander.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expander_graph
However, this would not address the issue of the time
it takes for you to post the decks and standings.)

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Originally Posted by FTW

I think this is WD for jhhdk.
J can win OTP by playing around Daze but missed that you can't win OTD, only stop the combo with Daze. You do have Nature's Claim, but that means leaving mana open and never casting a creature.

OTP
J - Tinder Wall, go (plays around Daze)
S - Wolf, go

J - Wolf. Bombardment -> Infinite damage (with mana to pay for Daze on anything)
To avoid that, you can't cast Wolf and have to leave Nature's Claim up to interact

J - Tinder Wall, go (plays around Daze)
S - Land, go

J - Wolf, go (can pay for Daze)
S - If you play Wolf, combo beats you. If you don't, Wolf beats you. You don't have the tempo to deal with both.
Win

OTD
S - Wolf, go
J - Tinder Wall or Wolf eats Daze, then the other one draws vs Wolf
Draw

WD 4-1 for jhhdk

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Yep, you're right - missed that I don't actually have a window to kill Bombardment when I'm OTD. Adjusting my result accordingly (-1 point).

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Originally Posted by shiftyhomunculus

Could you please explain your take this one? I have us as DD - quoting my earlier post:

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Yeah, my bad, I convinced myself that since combo was sort of instant speed you couldn't really interrupt it. In my head I'd go off in response to natures claim instead of your casting natures claim in response to triggers.
Will update results.

5. dte: Tarnished citadel, Death's shadow, Tinder Wall, Lodestone golem

That's me, sporting a bad deck: I expected quite a few LLotV, so I didn't play a T1 combo deck, but I also did not play a deck that was good vs LLotV or combo. well...
Good point is that as I am late on the party, MUs have been figured out already.


1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Mishra's Factory, Giant Killer, Swords to Plowshares
2-2
2

2. Wrath of Pie: Taiga, Mishra's Factory, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment
2-2
4

3. Reeplcheep: Crystal Vein, Arcbound Ravager, Clockwork Beetle, Leyline of the Void
0-6
4

4. alphastryk: Leyline of the Void, Unmask, Subterranean Hangar, Shriekmaw
2-2
6

6. Phasmoid: Phyrexian Walker, Swamp, Culling the Weak, Mana Skimmer
6-0
12

7. jhhdk: Forest, Tinder Wall, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment
3-3
15

8. Tylert: Leyline of the void, Rishadan port, Mutavault, Chronomaton
0-6
15

9. shiftyhomunculus: Tropical Island, Young Wolf, Daze, Nature's Claim
4-1
19

10. RoosterCocoa: Subterranean Hangar, Phyrexian Obliterator, Faerie Macabre, Murderous Rider
0-6
19

11. maxx!: Forest, Tinder Wall, Narnam Renegade, Collective Defiance
3-3
22

12. mattamort: Leyline of the void, Unmask, Peat bog, Bitterblossom
0-6
22

13. Serguei: Peat Bog;BitterBlossom;Unmask;Surgical extraction
0-6
22

14. PJim: Leyline of the Void, Maze of Ith, Icatian Store, Karn Liberated
0-6
22

15. silkster: Tinder Farm, Narnam Renegade, Goblin Bombardment, Leyline of Sanctity
6-0. the only missing MU I had to figure out and one of the only ones I win, thanks to the farm coming into play tapped, and not giving G if sacced.
28

16. GoblinSmashmaster: Taiga, Tinder Wall, Collective Defiance, Crashing Footfalls
3-3
31

17. FTW: Leyline of the Void, Badlands, Bloodhall Ooze, Duress
6-0
37

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Originally Posted by dte

5. dte: Tarnished citadel, Death's shadow, Tinder Wall, Lodestone golem

17. FTW: Leyline of the Void, Badlands, Bloodhall Ooze, Duress
6-0
37

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I tried to check if there was a way I could draw or beat Shadow OTP, but that extra Tinder Wall ends up making a big difference vs my dead Duress, which really wishes it was Crashing Footfalls or Narnam Renegade.

T1 1/1 Ooze / Wall [F=20, D=17]
T2 2/2 Ooze waits / Pay 3 life, otherwise Ooze grows too big [F=20, D=14]
T3 3/3 Ooze waits / Death's Shadow 2/2 [F=20, D=11]
T4 4/4 Ooze waits / Pay 3 life, attack with 5/5 Shadow [F=15, D=8]
T5 5/5 Ooze waits and offers trade / Pay 3 life, attack with 8/8 Shadow [F=7, D=5]
T6 6/6 Ooze attacks but chumped by Tinder Wall / 8/8 Shadow kills [F=-1, D=5]

You have to deal yourself 15 damage as fast as possible to get Shadow bigger than Ooze, but once it is then Tinder Wall buys you the chump block needed to win the race.

By starting to attack at 4/4 I can speed up the race a bit so it's [F=3, D=2] after turn 5, but then my 6/6 Ooze still gets chumped by Tinder Wall and I die to the counterattack.

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Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie

2. Wrath of Pie: Taiga, Mishra's Factory, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment

12. mattamort: Leyline of the void, Unmask, Peat bog, Bitterblossom LL

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I agree with this result and this is not what is reported in the google spreadsheet on WoP line. Unfortunately, I can't edit it. So I let someone fix it. Thanks in advance, guys.

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Originally Posted by mattamort

I agree with this result and this is not what is reported in the google spreadsheet on WoP line. Unfortunately, I can't edit it. So I let someone fix it. Thanks in advance, guys.

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Got it. Looks like we're complete, so I'll be updating all the things.

Standings for round 5:
1. Serguei: 69 - 4,3
1. GoblinSmashmaster: 69 - 4,3
3. mattamort: 67 - 4,2
4. Tylert: 61 - 3,8
5. RoosterCocoa: 58 - 3,6
5. PJim: 58 - 3,6
7. FTW: 50 - 3,1
8. maxx!: 44 - 2,8
9. alphastryk: 38 - 2,4
10. Reeplcheep: 37 - 2,3
11. dte: 37 - 2,3
12. Phasmoid: 37 - 2,3
13. Asthereal (TO): 32 - 2
13. silkster: 32 - 2
15. shiftyhomunculus: 27 - 1,7
16. Wrath of Pie: 23 - 1,4
17. jhhdk: 19 - 1,2

Which leads to these bannings:
BitterBlossom
Collective Defiance
Crashing Footfalls
Leyline of the void
Peat Bog
Surgical extraction
Taiga
Tinder Wall
Unmask

And this is how the season looks at the 33% mark:
1. Serguei: 20,2
2. Tylert: 20,1
3. dte: 18
4. silkster: 17,6
5. FTW: 16,7
6. maxx!: 16
7. mattamort: 15,9
8. GoblinSmashmaster: 15,8
9. PJim: 14,3
10. alphastryk: 13,1
11. RoosterCocoa: 12,1
12. Wrath of Pie: 11,8
13. Reeplcheep: 10,8
14. jhhdk: 8,4
15. Asthereal (TO): 7,6
16. H: 4,8
17. Phasmoid: 4,2
18. shiftyhomunculus: 1,7

So Serguei and Tylert are battling hard for the top spot, with dte and silk in pursuit.
Our newer players PJim, mattamort and RoosterCocoa are also kicking ass. Well done to you, too!
Looks like H and myself need to step up our game a bit. :wink:

Phasmoid pointed out that controllers of triggers matter, so I have added a slight bit to the wording of our round rule.
This round, the trigger will have no controller or target.
(Next round, however, the controller of the artifact will be the controller of the trigger that makes the token.)

But anyway, let's get the next round going.


ROUND 6 OF SEASON 10: DEVIANT LEGACY BANNATHON has started.

This round we play Antagonism: At the beginning of each player’s end step, that player loses 2 life unless one of their opponents lost life that turn.
(This triggered ability has no controller or target, so effects that care about either will do nothing.)

I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 6, so you can start sending me your decks.

DEADLINE: Wednesday the 23rd of June at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)

PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Swamp, Dauthi Slayer, Black Knight.
So with card tags around each card, and not above eachother, and with your Username and 4CB S10R06 in the topic.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. You'll find it in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.

After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.

Happy deck building! :smile:

I found that the spreadsheet has inconsistent entries for 3 matches:

Wrath of Pie ​ vs ​ Serguei
Serguei ​ vs ​ maxx!
maxx! ​ vs ​ jhhdk


For ​ ​ ​ Wrath of Pie ​ vs ​ Serguei ​ , ​ ​ ​ Serguei recognized a
disagreement with ​ Wrath of Pie ​ and ​ Wrath of Pie ’s ​ results post
was subsequently edited and now agrees with Serguei’s.
I accordingly updated the spreadsheet.

I don't have time to look into the results for the other 2 of those 3 matches
right now, but I note that fortunately, they can't affect the top 3.
(However, they can still affect standings and season points.)



Incidentally, the way I found those inconsistencies was
the conditional formatting I mentioned on the previous page.
Since no one had mentioned finding any bug in it, I had wanted one
more test before next round, so I tried applying it to the results grid.
That showed the inconsistent entries, but I undid that formatting in case
anyonewants to check it more in the testing area (W21 to Z25 inclusive)
before it gets left in the actual results grid.

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Originally Posted by Phasmoid

I found that the spreadsheet has inconsistent entries for 3 matches:

Wrath of Pie ​ vs ​ Serguei
Serguei ​ vs ​ maxx!
maxx! ​ vs ​ jhhdk


For ​ ​ ​ Wrath of Pie ​ vs ​ Serguei ​ , ​ ​ ​ Serguei recognized a
disagreement with ​ Wrath of Pie ​ and ​ Wrath of Pie ’s ​ results post
was subsequently edited and now agrees with Serguei’s.
I accordingly updated the spreadsheet.

I don't have time to look into the results for the other 2 of those 3 matches
right now, but I note that fortunately, they can't affect the top 3.
(However, they can still affect standings and season points.)



Incidentally, the way I found those inconsistencies was
the conditional formatting I mentioned on the previous page.
Since no one had mentioned finding any bug in it, I had wanted one
more test before next round, so I tried applying it to the results grid.
That showed the inconsistent entries, but I undid that formatting in case
anyonewants to check it more in the testing area (W21 to Z25 inclusive)
before it gets left in the actual results grid.

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maxx!: Forest, Tinder Wall, Narnam Renegade, Collective Defiance
Serguei: Peat Bog, BitterBlossom, Unmask, Surgical extraction

Serguei needs Extraction to stop Tinder Wall from making four mana. If he doesn't, Defiance will make him discard the house.
If maxx! uses the Wall immediately, Serguei can Extract and maxx! won't have mana to do other things, but maxx! can wait.
If maxx! goes Tinder Wall, wait, Serguei can't make Bitterblossom yet, but he can use Unmask (discarding Extraction) to discard Defiance, protecting Blossom.
So Bitterblossom will hit no matter what happens.
The difference maxx! missed with Extraction vs. Leyline, I think, is that Leyline has to hit the board to work, but Extraction only needs to be kept at the ready, and can still be used to exile to Unmask if you don't need it.
I think Serguei wins this. 6-0

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maxx!: Forest, Tinder Wall, Narnam Renegade, Collective Defiance
jhhdk: Forest, Tinder Wall, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment

maxx! said this: OTP discard your hand. OTD Young Wolf is the best you can do before I discard your hand, and then Renegade and Wolf fight forever. 4-1
jhhdk said LL without explanation. Perhaps the Wolf/Renegade staredown was overlooked here.
I reckon the 4-1 maxx! reported is correct.

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Originally Posted by Asthereal

maxx! said this: OTP discard your hand. OTD Young Wolf is the best you can do before I discard your hand, and then Renegade and Wolf fight forever. 4-1
jhhdk said LL without explanation. Perhaps the Wolf/Renegade staredown was overlooked here.
I reckon the 4-1 maxx! reported is correct.

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Correct. Sorry for not posting sooner.

Me, silkster: Tinder Farm, Narnam Renegade, Goblin Bombardment, Leyline of Sanctity

1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Mishra's Factory, Giant Killer, Swords to Plowshares
This is a disagreement, but I think I lose because I can't cast my cards in the correct order. :(
LL

2. Wrath of Pie: Taiga, Mishra's Factory, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment
I panicked for a moment when I realized how much faster you are, but I'm combo proof.
WW

3. Reeplcheep: Crystal Vein, Arcbound Ravager, Clockwork Beetle, Leyline of the Void
I wondered if Leyline of the Void would be a player. That might have been the better choice, but I thought discard might be a thing too.
LL

4. alphastryk: Leyline of the Void, Unmask, Subterranean Hangar, Shriekmaw
14 turn clock too fast.
LL

5. dte: Tarnished citadel, Death's shadow, Tinder Wall, Lodestone golem
Tinder Wall is really nice.
LL

6. Phasmoid: Phyrexian Walker, Swamp, Culling the Weak, Mana Skimmer
LL

7. jhhdk: Forest, Tinder Wall, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment
This is what I was expecting.
WW

8. Tylert: Leyline of the void, Rishadan port, Mutavault, Chronomaton
LL

9. shiftyhomunculus: Tropical Island, Young Wolf, Daze, Nature's Claim
Nature's Claim. That's quite the read on the meta. If only I had a turn 1 play.
LL

10. RoosterCocoa: Subterranean Hangar, Phyrexian Obliterator, Faerie Macabre, Murderous Rider
Faerie Macabre doing its best Voidline imitation.
LL

11. maxx!: Forest, Tinder Wall, Narnam Renegade, Collective Defiance
WW

12. mattamort: Leyline of the void, Unmask, Peat bog, Bitterblossom
LL

13. Serguei: Peat Bog;BitterBlossom;Unmask;Surgical extraction
Surgical seems inferior, but it's certainly good enough.
LL

14. PJim: Leyline of the Void, Maze of Ith, Icatian Store, Karn Liberated
Now that's going big.
LL

16. GoblinSmashmaster: Taiga, Tinder Wall, Collective Defiance, Crashing Footfalls
WW

17. FTW: Leyline of the Void, Badlands, Bloodhall Ooze, Duress
Ooze isn't the best persister, so I can trade with it.
DD

26 points, 1.625 on the round.

Thanks for doing my results the previous rounds.
For the Mythic round, the only decks I could see were Heart of Kiran + W6, Valki+ (something else), and Transcendent Master. They go rock-paper-scissors, so I went with the one that kills 1-toughness stuff, but it was pretty much a toss up.
Dual Nature ended up being too much of a T1 format. I thought for a moment that Force of Despair would be huge, but then realized that you can stack the discard and copy triggers so that you can take the Force before the copy resolves.
I guess it should have been obvious that Leyline of the Void is the real king, but I haven't had as much time.

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Originally Posted by Asthereal

Standings for round 5:
And this is how the season looks at the 33% mark:
1. Serguei: 20,2
2. Tylert: 20,1
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So Serguei and Tylert are battling hard for the top spot

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I didn't think it would, but losing to a cartel feels bad. Not that there's a better alternative.

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Originally Posted by silkster

I didn't think it would, but losing to a cartel feels bad. Not that there's a better alternative.

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We're not playing the same deck most of the time :)