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If I can learn how to draw more than 3 lands by turn 4 with this deck, I'll give it a spin again, but for now, I don't want to rage over TES/Belcher drawing more lands than I do. The same shit happens everytime when I play any format. I play 24 lands with 4 Brainstorm and 2 Tops, how the hell do I keep failing?
I like your list a ton man. It's like a few card slots off from what I always play (can't be bothered to dig them up anymore).
At least Brainstorm is reliable again, since Mental Misstep is banned.
Just won an event with UWb landstill this past weekend (10/8) at Alternate Universes, Blue Bell PA. I am new to the site and have been playing legacy landstill for about 6 years and love it and consistantly do well or win with it. So I will be glad to share some lists here!
The tournament was 40+ ppl, and a great variety of opponents
UWb Landstill
4 standstill
4 force of will
4 counterspell
4 spell snare
2 crucible of worlds
4 brainstorm
4 swords
1 nev disk
2 wrath of god
3 engineered explosives
3 JTMS
1 elspeth
4 strand
3 delta
1 sea
1 scrubland
3 tundra
1 plains
2 island
4 factory
1 colonnade
1 creeping tar
1 tolaria west
1 academy ruins
1 wasteland
Sideboard...
3 extirpate
1 path to exile
2 pulse of the fields
2 spell pierce
2 llawan
2 rule of law
3 ethersworn canonist
Quick run through of what I beat...
Round 1- High tide (2-1 win)
Round 2- Merfolk (2-0 win)
Round 3- Goblins (2-1 win)
Round 4- Tes (0-2 loss)
Round 5- Junk (2-0 win)
Round 6- ID
Record 4-1-1
Top 8- Junk (2-0 win)
Top 4- NO bant (2-0 win)
Finals- ANT (2-1 win)
I won a MINT time walk for the day so it was a great day and wouldn't change a thing about the deck. About a month previous to this tournament a ran a very similar list but 4 misstep over the snares and lost in the finals. I love this deck and I always perform with it!!!
Hey landstillmaniac, I was at the same AU tournament also playing Landstill! Congratulations on the win, seeing Landstill do well is great! I was REALLY surprised when I flipped through your deck at the tournament because mine is pretty similar.
I have trouble against aggressive creature decks like Merfolk and GW Maverick. I just started playing this summer, so I tend to make mistakes. What are your thoughts on my deck list? How do you sideboard your deck against goblins, maverick, merfolk, etc.?
Artifacts:
1 Crucible of Worlds
3 Engineered Explosives
Enchantments:
1 Humility
4 Standstill
Instants:
4 Force of Will
4 Counterspell
4 Spell Snare
4 Brainstorm
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Enlightened Tutor
Planeswalkers:
2 Elspeth, Knight Errant
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sorceries:
1 Wrath of God
Lands:
1 Academy Ruins
1 Karakas
1 Tolaria West
2 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Plains
1 Island
1 Scrubland
2 Underground Sea
2 Tundra
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Celestial Colonnade
2 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
Sideboard:
3 Extirpate
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Phantasmal Image
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Rule of Law
2 Pulse of the Fields
2 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
1 Serenity
Guys, if brainstorm get axe, what card would replace brainstorm? I thinking about ancestral vision, but it's slow. What do you think?
Ancestral vision does not work well with Standstill. You would potentially break your on Standstill when Ancestral Vision fires off.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizard_of_gore
Ponder or Preordain are decent cantrips.
In fact, Ancestral Vision is not played in Standstill builds, and vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by TakeYourTime
In pre-Misstep printing Standstill was not very played, then Misstep happened, and Standstill became super good again. Then Wiz decided MM was too good and warping, so Standstill became a bit worse and SCG grinders/pros/wathever started playing AV in its place. But obviously you cannot play them in the same list.
In my opinion (and testing) Standstill tends to be better in decks that can fully abuse it. So if you are not playing 4/5 Manlands and 4 Wastelands I would not run it. Ancestral Vision is good in those decks (like EsperBlade, or UW Blade, in fact any Ubased Stoneforge.deck) which cannot afford playing 24 lands (of which 8 colorless) or simply have different t2 plays (like Stoneforge, obviously, but also Bob and/or Bitterblossom), and want some mid to late game extra card draw, without having to build a strategy around it to use (and Standstill requires this, while AV clearly does not, or at least it doesn't in the same way/amount of deckspace needed for Standstill).
With the amount of Delver of Secrets around, I highly doubt Standstill viability at the moment. Probably in a R Splashed build with 4 Bolts (4 rebs in sb) and 1-2 Repeals maindeck...
EDIT: Preordain/ Ponder are ''decent'' but no way comparable to the power level of Brainstorm in the right deck.
Hey everybody. I have been out of the loop for several years, last tournament i played in was in 2006 or so. Some people here may remember my old tag as NeoMike as I still recognize a large sum of yall on here.
Anyways, I got married this year and my wife found my cards and long story short she wanted to learn how to play, which is getting me back into tournaments. I am having to repopulate my card collection as I don't have much left, but I wanted to look into rebuilding my Landstill deck that took me to top 8 multiple times. I found my list and want to know what current cards would change this build for the better.
- Creatures
1 Eternal Dragon
- Spells
4 Standstill
4 Brainstorm
4 Counterspell
2 Disenchant
2 Fact or Fiction
4 Force of Will
2 Stifle
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Wrath of God
2 Crucible Of Worlds
3 Nevinyrral's Disk
- Lands
4 Island
2 Plains
3 Faerie Conclave
4 Flooded Strand
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Tundra
4 Wasteland
Sideboard:
3 Tormod's Crypt
4 Circle of Protection: Red
3 Annul
1 Disenchant
2 Pulse of the Fields
2 Decree of Justice
So this was my list, it did very well every tournament I took it to. But obviously times have changed and it needs to be tweaked into a more current meta. A few things i have noticed is the power of Spell Snare in the current meta, with goyfs and snapcasters... and piledrivers and counterspells.... So I am definately looking at Spell Snare right now. Aside from that what would yall suggest, don't be shy i still have to go out and get most of these cards and i would like to know what i need to get.
Hi Neo,
Welcome back! First thing, noting that you're from Houston, would just like to mention we've a Legacy scene at Houston at Asgard Games (along Kirby) if you would like to check it out. We play saturday weekly.
I used to primarily play Landstill but have put the deck aside for awhile. It's still a decent deck but has some weaker matchups and not a lot of spetacular matchups so it demands a lot of pilot-skill and correct choice of cards/deck for a given metagame. The decline of Merfolk is tempting me to pick the deck up again because I feel that outside of Spiral Tide, 12-post and Merfolk, Landstill has a fair game against a host of deck (it just doesn't flat-out destroy decks, which is a big problem for its popularity and success in Legacy).
Regarding your old list. Disenchant could be swapped out for Dismantling Blow, or if you splash a 3rd color, for Vindicate. There are also a number of good cards printed since you stopped playing. PAth to Exile, Go for the Throat are all very good removal for a control player.
Fact or Fiction is still insanely powerful, however Landstill should primarily use Jace, the Mind Sculptor as both an engine to draw cards, buy turns, and a win-condition. Fact or Fiction can sometimes be directly stronger than Jace, but the right deck and choice of cards have to be selected to allow maximum use of FoF. In general, Jace is simpler to use and generates enough advantage and acting as a win-condition all in one card.
I would probably trim down on the 4th Standstill and the 1-3 Faerie Conclave. If you are bent on going for 4 Standstills and resolving Standstills, you would want to pack a little more 1cmc removal e.g. 1-2 Path to Exile, this allows you to pull off more end-of-turn remove creature and land a Standstill.
Hey Metalwalker. Goo to know there is some legacy still going on. I live on the far south side of Houston (League City Area) we have 3 card shops right in my area, atleast 2 do draft and atleast 1 does Legacy. But I have not played in them yet because I lack cards ATM.
I figured Jace had a strong place in here, and FoF seems like the appropriate card to swap out. Since its at the same cc and the end results are about card advantage. I just wish I could trade my FoF up for Jace :laugh:
Dismantling blow seems strong, though I'm not ecstatic of the 3cc since that puts me 1 turn further behind a Vial (assuming it doesn't get countered). But for late game it is truly a beast if I have a target for it.
How about Eternal Dragon? Is he still holding up in the deck? Is he still the correct choice since it is never a dead draw and extremely difficult to kill. Or is there something better out there now?
Dismantling is a very nice answer to Stoneforge Mystic based strategies, anyway my personal preference still goes to Disenchant (I know cc2 goes under Spell Snare but cc3 is really awkward against Daze and Spell Pierce) or even splash G for Krosan Grip if you think you'll see lots of Blade or Maverick decks. Green also gives Seeds of Innocence if you think you'll see lots of Affinity.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoTech
Anyway Disenchants are definitely Sb material, and I'd use those maindeck slots (and the Stifle ones) for 3-4 Spell Snare (probably 4 since is the best counter available right now). You may trim 1 Counterspell to accomodate the 4th Spell Snare. You absolutely need to reliably counter those ''game ending'' turn 2 bomb when you are on the draw...
You may want to consider a couple of Vendilion Clique in your sideboard ( or even maindeck as various UWx builders proposed recently) against control matchups (cast it eot and blows Jace like a champ) and primarly against various combo decks , where it has the double utility of being a decent clock and providing Instant speed hand disruption.
Eternal Dragon is not an usual choice, however it might be playable if you are costantly in screw like me, and in (very)late game can be an added finisher if needed ( Metalwalker I feel your pain. I was fucking screwing with 24 lands 4 bs and 2 tops last time I sleeved UWx. Meanwhile the goblin player in front of me was tapping Ports like a pro.)
Last, other possible choices are (in addition to the cards mentioned by Metalwalker):
Vedalken Shackles if you keep the nonisland count low enough.
Elspeth, Knight-Errant solid win con and stabilizes your board. Also paired with Factory provides a faster clock than Jace's. Plus the art is amazing.
Humility I don't really need to explain this bomb, beware its casting cost though.
Engineered Explosives alternative flexible removal.
Enlightened Tutor grabs everything you need pre side and post side.
Snapcaster Mage I tried this guy in 2-3x and I'm fairly happy with the results. He adds consistency to the deck.
Basically, read all the ''post Mental Misstep'' pages to get an idea of what UWx Landstill is at the moment. :D
Has anyone done well against a tempo deck with Landstill?
Run 24 lands, 6 swords and 2 EE and you're fine as long as Stifle doesn't hit your first 2 fetchlands. Problem is, deck usually sucks to the rest of the format; not because it can't handle it, but because this metagame requires you to apply pressure quite quickly, and this archetype is well known for NOT doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TakeYourTime
@Tempo matchup: Used to be hard because you will lose to Thresh'd goose if you have your EE stifled. You can only kill Mongoose with WoG since your Factories don't stay in play with their bolts/Wastelands. It should be easier now if Thresh opts not to play Mongoose but Delver can potentially speed up the clock if you fall prey to their tempo. Use your life as a resource and gamble accordingly, taking a few beats, the most important thing is to hit your land drops and KEEP them. The worst thing you can do in this matchup is get so land-screwed that you waste your Brainstorms/Tops and turns digging for land-drops.
You know, with the loss of Merfolk/Vial, this deck is becoming enticing again, even if what Piceli said is true of the deck i.e. you are trying to win the long game by trying not to lose (not the best of strategy in Legacy because there's always a risk you incur against decks that really want to win).
The only issue I see in the metagame is Snapcaster/GSZ/Hierarch/Arbors. Those creatures are as annoying as Merfolk/Vial. (Snapcaster in response to your standstill derp).
However, I'm convinced that the meta now won't be as harsh as a meta choked full of those god-damned fish and vials. I'll see what I can do this weekend. Haven't played Legacy in over a month :/
Perhaps it has come the time to drop Standstill and Manlands, and trying to incorporate Punishing Fire+ Grove as the new premier form of (virtual) card advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metalwalker
It works wonders in optimizing the floods and killing opposing planeswalkers (Liliana?), too.
Most of all, it's a win-condition per se. Slow as fuck, sure, but still working (let's not forget LS should aim to win game 1 and to stall game 2 the majority of times).
Standstill is just too randomic and too susceptible to mediocre opponents not being able to wait until hands get filled to not being a liability. I don't like giving choices.
...Or Fire/Ice, already played by half of the last European Landstill lists? Problem is, it doesn't generate any long-term advantage, and in certain matchups it is just mediocre. Plus, sometimes you have to tap out to catch that hot 2x1 (common scenario: EOT fetch for Dryad with Hierarch in play), or the dork(s) will still produce mana in their turn for the next bomb coming.
Bringing this shit back baby. :cool:
I jammed UWb Landstill at the NELC last Saturday going 4-2-1, shaking some of the rust off along the way. I honestly think the deck is well positioned at the moment. Maverick and Bant decks don't stand a chance. You can survive tempo if you play your mana right and you can out control BUG/UW with little difficulty.
The only reason I ever used SFM was to beat Merfolk, which isn't even a deck anymore.
This was the list I played:
4 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Scrubland
2 Island
2 Plains
4 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
1 Marsh Flats
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Wasteland
4 Standstill
4 Brainstorm
2 Jace, The Mindsculptor
1 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Force of Will
3 Counterspell
3 Spell Snare
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Path to Exile
3 Engineered Explosives
2 Wrath of God
1 Humility
1 Vindicate
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Decree of Justice
Sideboard:
3 Vendilion Clique
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Negate
1 Mana Leak
1 Path to Exile
1 Virtue's Ruin
1 Perish
1 Vindicate
1 Disenchant
2 Relic of Progenitus
Wins were against Maverick, BUG Control, UWR Tempo, and Zoo.
Lost to a Standstill mirror (didn't see that coming) and a sketchy game three keep against Canadian Thresh vs the dreaded double Delver draw.
Drew with Geist Maverick as he StP'd his own Knight in response to my Jace bounce on the final turn, forcing the draw instead of the crushing defeat :rolleyes:
Felt pretty confident all day. I had a chance to win every round, but didn't.
Vindicate and Decree of Justice pulled major weight. Loved having them in the deck again. Didn't miss SFM or Snapcaster Mage at all. Also had people boarding wrong the entire day.
Why was vindicate so useful for you? What was main targets? Why no liliana maindeck?*if you're playing black, liliana is awesome with standstill*. Only two jace's?
Isn't red better then black? Bolts gives you better first turn removal vs aggro (better that paths). Did you tried red versions?
Wonder if isochron scepter is viable as 3-4 mana unboltable,unattackable planeswalker (jace with bs, ajani with fire//ice).
Wanted to try this deck, but looks like noone is playing it. That's why I'm wondering.
Running Liliana would be overly ambitious, at least with the current manabase. the WW spells would have to be dropped; the manabase can't afford UU on turn two, BB on turn 3, and WW turn four with 7 colorless lands and 4 others that only tap for one color.
The black splash is very small, it's mainly for EE at 3. I prefer it over red because of having access to Vindicate and the three mana sweepers (Perish/Virtue's Ruin). Also Bolt forces you to fetch for your splash color early on to use it when it's relevant. Path lets you fetch up basics and it gets better as the game goes longer. Being able to remove big Knights and Terravores and Goyfs is definitely relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by salvor
Liliana is acceptable in BUGx Landstill where they have the manabase to support her and things like LftL to make use of her +1. Here she's just not viable. Standstill or not, this deck doesn't ever want to discard cards.
I feel like any more than two Jace is incorrect. You don't want to get Jace flooded, and often Elsepth is just better. For example, in my BUG matchup, I'm facing down his board of Jace + Liliana. I slam my Elspeth... and she just wins it. The other walkers can not compete. The 2/2 split has been wonderful, I've been running it like that for a long time.
What makes Vindicate so good is its versatility. Things I blew up with Vindicate on Saturday include:
- Jace
- Elspeth
- Gaddock Teeg
- Basic Island
- Pernicious Deed
- Batterskull
- Umezawa's Jitte
Scepter has been tried in the past. Some people like it, I personally don't. It opens you up too much to getting 2 for 1'd, which is exactly the kind of thing you're supposed to be doing to other people. It's a dead card on it's own and a horrible top-deck.
Good luck if you decide to pick the deck up in some form. It's a lot of fun.
Is Fire//Ice still viable in UWr builds as a 2-3? Or is it better to just run Bolt?