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Goyf wasn't impressive at all. Thrun also didn't help. I think that had more to do with what I was paired against.
Mindscensors were ok. I think they could of been amazing if I had played them better. They were a recent addition and I wasn't casting them during my turn enough. Ooze was A+, much better than goyf.
Well, your impressions seem to overlap mine, I've cut Goyf some time ago, and recently also Thrun (even against Stoneblade, I'd rather have one more Pridemage).
I agree that the Mindcensors are pretty good.
What do you guys think of running Garruk, Primal Hunter?
he gives both board presence with the 3/3 or 6/6 tokens and card advantage....
instead of running Elspeth or sylvan library..
Well, I currently run neither Sylvan Library nor Elspeth, but the thing is that Garruk is really clunky in this deck. He better fits in a control shell IMO. You be able to create enough board presence already anyway.
good point, I agree that 5cc and triple green might be too much.
I was thinking that he could be a good card against control.
I run sylvan library md and elspeth in sb. I was thinking of using him instead of the two, so I could have more space for other cards in sb
5cc is a lot and most of the time the size of the tokens actually doesnt even matter. (3/3 creature turn 4/5 is good against..?)
I myself believe that Elspeth is superior planeswalker. For cards against control, we already have Thrun and Scryb Ranger with equipments. Or even possibly one of my favorite creatures ever, Vexing Shusher.
I just don't get how you can cut MoR from any list. Heck, it's probably the only reason to play such a creature-packed deck compared to stuff with more draw / disrupt like rock or bant.
I also top8ed a 79-people tournament last sunday, I'm too lazy for a full report but here's the breakdown :
2-0 vs merfolk
2-1 vs eva green
2-0 vs fast zoo
1-2 vs NO-pattern combo
2-0 vs maverick
2-0 vs aluren
IID
lost 1-2 in the top8 to maverick.
Congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maëlig
I justify cutting Mother of Runes in my metagame because creature-on-creature features don't pop up too much. Instead, my metagame is infested with combo decks (Elves, ANT, Hive Mind, etc). Against these decks, Mother of Runes is severely lacking. I replaced them with Mental Misstep.
I also did well with Maverick over the weekend. Also too lazy to report on individual games, but most of the matches were not even close.
Round 1 - No RUG (2-0)
Round 2 - Stoneblade (0-2)
Round 3 - WB "Lockdown" (2-0)
Round 4/5 - was a blur. I know I played Hive Mind in one of the two, but I can't recall the other matchup. Won these two matches.
Round 6 - ID
Top 8 - Combo Elves (2-0) - drew Jitte at the right times
Top 4 - Combo Elves (1-2) did not draw Jitte early enough/not enough disruption
Decks runs great, just needs a bit of extra help against Combo.
Marius Hausmann won the German Legacy Championships 2011 (180 people) this weekend, piloting the following list:
4 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
3 Horizon Canopy
4 Savannah
1 Plains
2 Forest
3 Wasteland
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Eternal Witness
4 Mother of Runes
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Birds of Paradise
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Quirion Ranger
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Batterskull
1 Sylvan Library
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun's Zenith
Sideboard
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Choke
2 Krosan Grip
2 Wing Shards
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Most of his Swiss rounds were 2-0 victories in the mirror. Top8 run was against Bug Landstill, NO Rug and some uwb deck in the finals.
Nice results.
I disagree. Mother is key in those MU to protect your teeg / canonist, which is the only way to reliably win against those decks. This being said I like MM too, which is why I play both.Quote:
Originally Posted by rukcus
cutting...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maëlig
Congrats to testing32, Maelig, and rukcus on your awesome finishes. @testing32, I'm still pissed that SCG won't call your deck Maverick. This deck gets no respect in the States...
Anyways, it seems like everyone is still running Mindscensors. Have they been performing well for everyone? I recently switched to Mirran Crusaders, and have been loving them. But that is in my Goyf-infested meta. Maybe it is time to test AM again?
I yelled at Glenn Jones to name it correctly before the top 8. He was less than helpful. I got 3th with it a month ago at a SCG IQ and they called my deck "Bant Stoneblade". GW aggro is a big step up from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TossUsToLions
Mindscensor helps with all the iffy/bad match ups: ANT, NO RUG and any deck w/SFM or Intuition. But, no they are not a sexy slot like crusader.
If you're able to equip and swing with a mirran crusader you're already winning. I had them in for a while and cut them.
Hahaha, I saw a list called "Bant Stoneblade" somewhere and I was thinking, "Wait, this is Maverick..."Quote:
Originally Posted by testing32
I don't know how narrow of a situation this is, but when testing against my main playtest partner, who plays NO Rug or NO Bant, I have actually won (multiple times) using Mirran Crusader where, if I didn't have it, I would've lost. One extreme example of this is when he got a Proggy out, drops me to four, and I proceed to swing with my Crusader, equipped with a Batterskull, with two exalted triggers to deal him exactly 16 damage for the win. Obviously this isn't a common example, but Crusader does help to race Progenitus. I think I've actually improved my NO Rug matchup since making the switch, which seems odd to me.
The protection from germ tokens helps us race Batterskulls in the Stoneblade matchup, too.
Maze (knight is usually the biggest guy on the board, so most of the time I just want to attack with it or possibly wasteland my opponent if I see him struggling for mana, rarely fetch maze and play defensively) and random slots which people usually devote to sylvan library or additional GSZ targets (which I find rarely useful, just like maze). This makes for a very tight list :Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian23
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Flooded Strand
1 Forest
1 Gaea's Cradle
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Plains
4 Savannah
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
4 Mother of Runes
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Tarmogoyf
3 Aven Mindcensor
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Mental Misstep
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Batterskull
Sideboard:
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Worldly Tutor
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Kataki, War's Wage
4 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Choke
2 Krosan Grip
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
Regarding the inclusion of aven mindcensor, it's obviously a metagame call. In addition to what testing32 said, I'd like to add that's it's golden in the mirror, and as you know maverick is quite popular here in Europe. It also seems like most of the other good and popular aggro-control decks (by which I mean bant and rock/junk) all play GSZ + SFM + knight, so it helps quite a lot there too.
I'm the guy you played against in top 8, with the other maverick!
Interesting list! I will steal some idea's from there.
although, I really disagree with cutting maze of ith!, it's just 1 slot.
And if you had it against me, you would have won if you had it when I was stomping you with the terravore ( you even had an active Knight if I recall )
Oh hey! :)
Did you beat BUGstill in the final?
Yeah I agree that the inclusion of maze is debatable, I might cut the lone goyf to fit it back in. Indeed it might have given me the game against you, although in the mirror it will often eat a wasteland so that's a moot point.
Idk, guess I'm just afraid of the occasional dead draw. I'll give it a try though.
Yess, I did win from the bugstill player.
Life from the loam / waste lock is just too good against them.
LftL? Very interesting. Could you post your list?
Usually, Life from the Loam is a 1-or-2-off in some people's sideboards to gain inevitability in the control matchup.