Swap your blast count. Something minor but you'll hate yourself forever when you can't get down to 0 under a bridge without a painter in play. And you can always add a koth as your 15th Sb card to be an alt win
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Swap your blast count. Something minor but you'll hate yourself forever when you can't get down to 0 under a bridge without a painter in play. And you can always add a koth as your 15th Sb card to be an alt win
I'd rather my rebs not get misdirected to lands. Koth is an idea but maybe new chandra is better.
Koth is quite the boss. Under a Moon he's dominates the board. New chandra is a trend. Koth is a classic flavor.
Whoever does this is doing it wrong. You redirect the Blast to the Redirection spell itself if there is no painter in play. One way or the other, Redirection counters a blast.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockout
Also Pyroblast is easier to get rid of if you need to get your hand size down under a Ensnaring Bridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Question:
I'm gearing up to play in a GPT soon, and I have some questions about the standard Sideboard Choices.
I'm thinking of something like this.
4x Ensnaring Bridge (Reanimator, Sneak and Show, and beat down decks)
4x Thorn of Amethyst (Faster Combo Decks)
1x Pyroblast (3 and 3 main)
1x Magus of the Moon (7th)
1x Manic Vandal (Needle Destroyer, etc...)
+ some Combo, 8th Blast, Ratchet Bomb, Martyr of Ashes, and/or Whipflare.
So my plan was 3 Whipflare (to help against the young pyro delver type decks) and 1 Martyr of Ashes...
Does that seem reasonable?
Is there a reason I would want Ratchet Bomb over Whipflare (which gets Young Pyromancer & Tokens, Bob, Deathrite, and Delver (Both sides) etc at once?)
Whipflare can kill Welders, Jaya and other cards you run. I would go with Bomb. Also with Bomb you can drop it when you have mana and fire it off without mana open.
As mentioned earlier, Electrickery was good for a few people, because it doesn't affect your board. Try that out
Yeah, I realize this. Can't hedge against everything. :eyebrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
I guess my reason to consider something else is that Ratchet Bomb is not Pernicious Deed, and while it's super efficient at killing tokens (And flipped Delver), it's not great at sweeping up things with a mixture of CMCs. Whipflare or the like get Young Pyromancer, His Token Friends, Bob, Delver, Stoneforge Mystic and early Mongoose... but like you said it does hit a few of my silver bullet creatures.
I'm almost sold on the idea.
Electrickery is a great suggestion, though it can't deal with flipped delvers, but maybe I'm hedging too much and a Sweeper isn't really what I need.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
I'm trying to make sure I'm prepared for all the types of Delver Decks that are running around right now, and U/W/R Delver, Grixis Delver, U/R Delver, and RUG Delver all present a slightly different verity of threats, that Whipflare mostly deals with.
Maybe I should just overload with Lighting Bolt, and not try to hedge so much with a sweeper?
I like Rift Bolt over Lightning Bolt in this deck. It helps to be able to get rid of the two cards you have been staring at with top for the past 4 turns. Also 2 damage kills most targets in Legacy just as well as 3 would.
I have been playing imperial painter for multiple years now. Here is my list:
Mb:
9 mountain
4 fetch
4 ancient tomb
4 city of traitors
4 SSG
4 painter
4 grindstone
3 SDT
2 koth
4 imperial recruiter
4 blood moon
2 magus of the moon
2 revoker
4 pyroblast
2 REB
4 lightning bolt
Sb:
4 thorn
4 pyroclasm
3 ensnaring bridge
1 revoker
1 manic vandal
2 mindbreak trap
I think what you mean here is magma jet? two damages are enough now, I play 3 bolt and 1 jet now after I tested 2 bolt and 2 jet. Sometimes I really need a faster bolt especially on the draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
@GundamGuy
sweeper is not good against these tempo deck, delver is not a problem for you have many ways to kill it. Ensnaring bridge is good enough against those decks overall and relic is great against thresh.
Yeah but if Delver is what you're worried about, you need to have at least seven Moons maindeck. That and a MD Ensnaring Bridge or two won't hurt. That, and all your 6/7 blasts handle delvers too. One of my fav sweepers is Ratchet Bomb, as it also handles that corner case Humility and Leyline.Quote:
Originally Posted by GundamGuy
It's not the Delver themselves which is the problem. It's the cards they bring with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
If you didn't notice there is RUG Delver with Tarmogoyf and Mongoose, BUG Delver with Bob, Grixis Delver with Bob and Young Pyromancer, UR delver with Goblin Guide, UWR Delver with Stoneforge Mystic and Gist of St Traft.
All of these additional lines of attack are weak to 2 damage sweepers except for RUG.
I see your point though that we've got a lot of moon effects (Which hits all the Delver Variants except for the very unlikely UR (Which runs a lot of basics)) and 9 main deck Delver Killers... seems ok so maybe I'm trying to hard....
That said what are the best uses of Ratchet Bomb? Maybe the reason I'm not a huge fan is I'm ignoring a few uses you've already pointed out the Humility Corner Case. What are some other problamatic things that Ratchet bomb can help deal with.
Also how do we hedge against reanimator? Bridge seems bad if they aren't horrible and are running a tidespout tyrant. So we've got to use GY hate right?
Well, that's why I mentioned the loading up on Moons and MD Bridges. Bridges literally take care of all of those critters you mentioned with Delver variants. And they don't have artifact removal game one and not enough burn to nug you to death. After that you have two games to draw hands that have moons/bridges to allow you to set up and win the game underneath their locks.
I've pretty much given up on Reanimator, honestly. Bridges are solid. GY hate has never been enough for me though. THey have Emrakuls, they have counters and bounce. A lot of times it's about the Magus beatdowns, with Painter/Blasts as your own disruption.
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Originally Posted by jandax
Traditional reanimator has counters but no emrakul, tin fins has emrakul but no counters.
My favorite uses for ratchet are vs chalice, tokens, counterbalance
against reanimator or tin fin, I think thorn is good here, especially agaisnt tinfin. I ran relic, it is a little slow but may help in this mu. And I can board them in against thresh or jund, imo it is just okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
the reason I give up bomb is that it is not that good against goblin compared to sweepers. As for humility, I never fear it, for it cannot stop your magus or painter.
Hi all. I am preparing my list for a GPT for Washington next weekend. Need help with boarding plans. Here is my list and current board ideas. I have no idea how to board or what cards are best post board. Trying to figure out general side boarding philosophies. I will say that I like 4 tops main to have higher chances to get one.
8 mountains
4 scalding tarn
4 ancient tomb
4 city of traitors
4 simian spirt guide
4 imperial recruiter
4 painter's servant
4 grindstone
4 blood moon
2 magus of the moon
4 pyroblast
2 red elemental blast
4 lighting bolt
1 phyrexian revoker
1 spellskitte
1 jaya
1 goblin welder
Board:
4 ensnaring bridge
4 thorn of amethist
2 red elemental blast
1 manic vandal
1 farie maccabe
2 relic of progenitus
1 magus of the moon
I was thinking:
vs: tempo
I want ensnaring bridge but have no idea what to take out
vs: control
Are throns and extra blast worth it?
vs: bg/x deathrite.dec
I want the bridges and magus but again have no idea what to take out.
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Originally Posted by lambert101
With your list I would do:
vs rug:
out 1 jaya, 1 revoker, 1 top, 4 bolt, 1 magus. In 4 bridge, 2 relic, 2 blast (reasoning: investing early magus loses game to a burn spell. leaving one for late game with spellskite is okay. bolts only hit delver. extra blasts have more utility. relics shrink green creatures. spending time topping in the early game isn't the greatest)
other tempo decks:
varies by type. bug delver, moon and bridge are good. uwr, blasts are good because of geist. ur, moon is bad, For tempo decks in general, jaya and 1 top should come out, revoker unless there is a jitte or lavamancer involved. vary it up on the play and draw postboard. on the draw moon loses value, so you can shave there if you choose as well as with burn spells and blasts given the other decks makeup.
Just my 2 cents, but I run a non-traditional list. I'll let others answer the bgx decks
In that case, would maindeck bridges be better over bolts? I am trying to get the list ready for GP DC. I am currently not a fan of looting heavy builds. I think between the fetchlands and recruiters, there is enough shuffle effects for tops. You can also grindstone yourself to get rid of lands on the top of your deck. Any sideboarding tips would be greatly appreciated. As I said before, I have an understanding of what I want to bring in but not what to take out. It seems bridge gets sided in often so why not main deck the for over the bolts in my previous list? Just some thoughts.
So two quick ruling things I saw that I have to clear up.
1. Pyroblast and REB are modla spells. If you choose to target a permanent with either your opponent can't change the target to Misdirection as it won't be a legal target for the chosen mode.
2. Humility doesn't stop Painter's ability from making everything blue, nor does it stop Magus of the Moon from making everything Mountains. Layers are fun. If an opponent has Humility and Leyline, just assemble your combo then blast the Leyline and win.