Oh my god they did it. Brainstorm hate. Eternal formats just got mind fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
I kind of feel bad for elves... But maybe cradles will drop in price.
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Oh my god they did it. Brainstorm hate. Eternal formats just got mind fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
I kind of feel bad for elves... But maybe cradles will drop in price.
Wow, such a a sweet card. Maverick shall rise once again!
This is a rough draft of what I'll be running post-BNG:
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Spirit of the Labyrinth
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Umezawa’s Jitte
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Maze of Ith
1 Gaea’s Cradle
1 Karakas
1 Plains
2 Forest
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Misty Rainforest
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
We can deal with it, more or less, especially if WotC deigns to print a Disenchant on a Gray Ogre in Theors Block or M15. Anything that hurts Show and Derp and makes them drop Leylines so I can rip their hands apart is welcome enough news for me. Words fail to describe how much I despise Leyline of Sanctity in SnD.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Quodlaser Maverick, love the streamlined look of it. Time to bust out my pimped out Maverick again. I'm not so sure if Maze is where you want to be in a TNN World, and I'm also not a fan of Cradle in a Stoneforgeless build, other than that I think you pretty much nailed who such a build could look like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
What are people's options of dealing with TNN and TNN Splash hate in straight GW?
Ooze and GSZ -> Sigarda are the two biggest reasons Cradle is there. Cradle + Ooze is the absolute nut. Maze is still good with your own KotR and it's fantastic versus all non-TNN attackers.
That list looks interesting. I'm currently running a GWb list with (unfortunately) no space for SoL. Could you post some reports of how the deck worked? I'm curious as it is really going in one direction.
Maverick masters. I want to play a GWu list this weekend at a tourney. Any suggestions? Right now I just have a GW list main with meddling mage/spell pierce in the board.
This is where I am currently at:
4 Thalia
4 Mom
4 Stoneforge
4 Knight
3 scavenging ooze
3 pridemage
3 mind sensor
1 teeg
1 Jitte
1 sword of fire and ice
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun's Zenith
21 lands
3 heaths
3 wooded foothills
3 savannah
2 tropical
1 forest
1 plains
4 wasteland
1 maze
1 karakas
1 horizon canopy
1 arbor
side board:
4 meddling mage
4 spell pierce
3 oblivion ring
3 path to exile
1 life from the loam
thoughts?
pridemage/ooze/teeg numbers are where I am weary… i want multiples of all of them.
I don't like 4 SFM as it does not do anything in a later game. I would say -1 (or even -2) and +1 scryb ranger (+1 mindcensor or +1 SoFaI).
I'm trying to go as aggressive as possible. Mom into SFM is pretty win as is the ability to harvest swords early in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuhl
This is almost exactly what I plan on running. I'd probably go for 3/3 Thalia/Spirit though too see how much redundancy we actually need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
I've played 2 Phyrexian Revoker maindeck (and 2 Pithing Needle SB) for over a year now and they just keep getting better and better, even more so now that RUG is being played less.
The problems I see with this list is that it's extremely sensitive to Golgari Charm/Zealous Persecution but there's no way around that besides playing tight and not overcommitting to the board. Also, the deck becomes incredibly focused on two-drops which might cause some un-smooth curving and weakness to Engineered explosives.
Another idea I'm throwing around is trying a singleton Derevi, Empyrial Tactician as a GSZ target (also castable via Hierarch and Cavern: wizard). That guy seems awesome at creating tempo, take this example:
You have MoR, KotR and four mana and GSZ in hand.
1. Go fetch Derevi, give the knight protection and untap the mom with the ETB trigger.
2. Swing with the protected knight and untap it on damage.
3. Profit. You came in for damage and can still use the knight and the mother, either as a blocker or for wastelanding/acceleration and it get's even better next turn when Derevi can swing as well creating even more untap effects.
Should the boardstate be different, Derevi can come in and tap a blocker, and each creature you connect with can untap even more stuff. The advantage grows with more creatures and becomes even more ridiculous with Scryb Ranger. Yes, this is a win-more cards but it has a lot of applications in creating small pockets of onboard tricks and those are usually the best ways to win. Remember people, this is not a beatdown deck, our plan is to create board advantage little by little by disrupting our opponent and outclassing his permanents.
What about going back to the Loyal Retainers plan ?
Playing a discard like fauna shaman or sth. else and as the big creature i would add elesh norn. Kills perfectly TNN and makes your deck stronger against all of those -1/-1 effects.
In my opinion adding a playset of Loyal Retainers and some fatties would be a nice idea.
What are you thinking about?
I want test 3 fauna 1 elesh 1 retainers + other single hate (3/1 new sprit)like old fauna maverick before, no more because it's not so good against shaman and combo, and RIP for both retainers plan and knightQuote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
I'm trying to decide between punishing mav and straight GW w Thalia for a tourney on Sunday.... Thoughts?
I'm thinking I want to try a vial build now that we get Spirit. Probably one with an E-Tutor bullet board. The thought of vialing in Spirit in response to Brainstorm or something similar is just too sweet to pass up. What do you guys think?
I will most likely be doing this as well, the hard part is trying to find the cards to cut.
If we look at a recent vial list with success, my inclination is to replace thalia with spirit, as a 3 or 4 of.
Reason being: they sort of stop the same strategies, where spirit is better vs cantrip decks/Elves/Engine decks that draw a ton of cards, and thalia is better against mana tight decks that try to win quickly.
I actually think spirit of the labyrinth will fit the best into a punishing maverick deck, as it is a hatebear that we can play that doesn't hurt our own spells/engines. I will most likely replace aven mindcensor or stoneforge to accommodate the space.
I sorta find it ironic that SotL hurts non-Brainstorm cards far more.
Glimpse of Nature
Ad Nauseam
Ancestral Vision
Griselbrand
Not to say it DOESN'T impact Brainstorm, but I feel that other decks are more negatively impacted by it.
It doesn't hurt Ad Nauseam. You are just revealing and putting them into hand, not technically drawing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
It hurts brainstorm a lot, but I still think it will be a 4 of in decks that previously ran it. You might see some more SDT running around too.
I'm curious about how this works with Sylvan library?
Ah, good call. I seem to be forgetting about these cards...Quote:
Originally Posted by JeCroisQue
I'm on punishing mav for tomorrow with 4 main deck pridemages and 3 mindcensors. My TNN plan is to keep the equipment off the table and just race it DnT style.
I am considering bolt over swords for the same reason.