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How do I keep my ear to the ground on these sort of things? I thought it was much simpler, as in, Blood Moon didn't get a reprint in MM and core sets are gone, followed by people realising resolving Blood Moon in Modern might as well say you win the game in many cases. I hate SCG as it seems they are really ruining the game, by pricing people out. Like cmon, you could get a playset of Moons for less than 50 bucks some months ago, it's ridiculous.
Another card that shot up quick is CWish, that card was 25$ foil, now shot up to 100$. Atleast that card is integral to a t1 deck.
I mean imagine how much money there is to be made if you bought a bunch of The Dark BMoons and a bunch of 8th or 9th foils. Jeeeeeez.
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Kanti
How do I keep my ear to the ground on these sort of things? I thought it was much simpler, as in, Blood Moon didn't get a reprint in MM and core sets are gone, followed by people realising resolving Blood Moon in Modern might as well say you win the game in many cases. I hate SCG as it seems they are really ruining the game, by pricing people out. Like cmon, you could get a playset of Moons for less than 50 bucks some months ago, it's ridiculous.
Another card that shot up quick is CWish, that card was 25$ foil, now shot up to 100$. Atleast that card is integral to a t1 deck.
I mean imagine how much money there is to be made if you bought a bunch of The Dark BMoons and a bunch of 8th or 9th foils. Jeeeeeez.
Well, if you can read german, you could go over here, where stuff like that is discussed. Otherwise i've got no idea.
The problem is that the Euro is pretty weak at the moment, so shopping in Europe is rather cheap. In addition, the card prices in Europe are generally lower than in the US, so it might be cheaper even without the currency stuff...
Right now, I'm pretty glad that I never sold my The Dark Moons, even if I haven't played them for years.
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It doesn't bother me when prices go up due to someone buying out the supply of it.
1) There is no right to obtain cards at what is a subjective metric of reasonable prices
2) Everyone had years to buy cards (Blood Moons in this case) when they were cheaper
3) Higher prices reflect the fact that people are obviously willing to pay those prices. If not, you would see prices declining to what people will pay.
4) At this point, speculation and buyouts are a common part of the MTG economy. It shouldn't shock anyone when it happens.
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Although it's bad for us in Europe, I agree. It's a global market so it's fair game. Prices will go up anyway, huge buyouts just accelerate it.
People just get salty about MKM officially only allowing shipments within Europe but cooperating with SCG and providing a mailbox for them.
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Esper3k
It doesn't bother me when prices go up due to someone buying out the supply of it.
1) There is no right to obtain cards at what is a subjective metric of reasonable prices
2) Everyone had years to buy cards (Blood Moons in this case) when they were cheaper
3) Higher prices reflect the fact that people are obviously willing to pay those prices. If not, you would see prices declining to what people will pay.
4) At this point, speculation and buyouts are a common part of the MTG economy. It shouldn't shock anyone when it happens.
Who said it shocked anybody? Of course I know it's part of the game, and that's why it bothers me more. Yeah, I did have time to get those cards forever, but it really offers a barrier to new players wanting to get into eternal formats, and I would be bothered if decks in the future consisted of 75 50+ dollar cards. I like playing Magic, and have no interest on having people using this card game we derive fun from, have childhood memories of, and present-day memories of turn it into a stock market. I'm really not sure what any of your points adressed.
1) Who said there was a right? It's a card game, of course there isn't. But I'm sure the creators of the game made it with the intention of it being affordable by the masses
2) What if I just got into the game? Some 13-17 year old might not have the money (now they definately don't have it) to buy cards they want as they don't hold a job
3) This is reiterating point #1
4) Doesn't come as a shocker at all, but that has nothing to do with it bothering someone. Having knowledge that something will/can happen doesn't mean that you won't get upset, or by any means shoudn't get upset.
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Kanti
1) ... I'm sure the creators of the game made it with the intention of it being affordable by the masses
Magic has far exceeded its creators' wildest dreams in longevity and growth. WOTC does pay attention to the secondary market, which is why reprints happen and why sets like Modern Masters are produced. WOTC cares about affordability, but not to an extent where everything gets reprinted every other year.
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2) What if I just got into the game? Some 13-17 year old might not have the money (now they definately don't have it) to buy cards they want as they don't hold a job
If you just got into the game, A) You probably thought Blood Moon was a bad card and B) You probably traded it for a Craw Wurm. Fortunately for kids, they get to grow up. Also, Magic isn't really a little-kid game, and that applies doubly to Legacy. Also, teenagers have plenty of opportunities to earn money (assuming they don't have an allowance, which I think is enough money on its own to get into the game). Being able to afford Magic is like being able to afford anything else. Why is it some sort of tragedy if a kid gets priced out of playing a deck? There are plenty of other decks to play.
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If you are new to this game, you likely do not start from the eternal formats. You'd be more interested in the price of the booster packs, bulk boxes and 8+ mana monsters than tournament playable eternal staples.
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I started playing at the age of 12, and I'm 23 now. You guessed right that my first true love was Avatar of Might that I opened in my Prophecy starter deck. By the time I was about 15-16 I was into "competitive magic", sadly it was 2008 and Goyf was probably already 50 bucks as I remember Time Spiral block coming out in late 2007. At least I could buy packs of Onslaught for like 3.75$ though, as my LGS had tons of old merchandise.
Still at 15 I didn't hold a job, and I think it's safe to assume most of us didn't, or at least that most 15 year olds do not have a source of income besides allowance. My allowance was used on many things, but it would have never afforded me 50$ Blood Moons. This isn't even acknolwedging someone who is an adult, just got into the game, and says "Wow, this is so much more expensive that X past hobbies, I don't think I do this".
They woudn't have to reprint things every other year if people would stop trying to earn a quick buck off the game. How about they go get a job? Wait, this is their job. Goddamnit. And they could be printing things every year in a thing called "core sets". They were nice. I understand that some people hated them because they had no new cards, but what the hell do I want new cards for when I can't afford a BoP or Blood Moon? Hell, all core sets should be doing if they were around would be to scope what is being played, and have those cards reprinted in the set.
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Vast majority of the cards needed to play this game cost almost nothing. I get it, you don't buy power or duals when you start because they are expensive but the thing is: newbies never did that. They didn't start by acquiring Juzam djinns back then and they wont start from duals or Blood moons now. Expensive cards don't prohibit new players from playing magic. Some particular expensive kind of magic, sure but that applies to everybody, not just beginners.
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I made a friend happy today: He has 11 The Dark Blood Moons in NM condition.
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Glad I have a miscut Blood Moon and Crimped one lol. Wtf happened to Moon?
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So is this just speculation over increased play in Modern... or what?
Was there an expectation that there would be a reprint and then when it didn't come, everyone just started buying these up?
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MGB
So is this just speculation over increased play in Modern... or what?
Was there an expectation that there would be a reprint and then when it didn't come, everyone just started buying these up?
I would guess so. I mean it is not seeing an increase in play overall as far as I can see, but the card is powerful enough to see widespread adoption in sideboards.
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Afaik moon is pretty much the only playable land hate in modern, and it didnt get reprinted in mm2.
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Esper3k
It doesn't bother me when prices go up due to someone buying out the supply of it.
2) Everyone had years to buy cards (Blood Moons in this case) when they were cheaper
While this is true, if you play with a budget you cant just buy every staple while it is 'cheap', especially sb cards like moon. Plus Blood moon has been reprinted a ton (chronicles, 8th, 9th, mm) it has no business being this expensive, I can't think of any card that has been reprinted 4 times (outside of abur) that is ~50$, let alone a sideboard card.
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Hopo
Vast majority of the cards needed to play this game cost almost nothing. I get it, you don't buy power or duals when you start because they are expensive but the thing is: newbies never did that. They didn't start by acquiring Juzam djinns back then and they wont start from duals or Blood moons now. Expensive cards don't prohibit new players from playing magic. Some particular expensive kind of magic, sure but that applies to everybody, not just beginners.
So expensive cards don't prohibit players from playing Magic, and then you go on to say except some "particular expensive kind of magic"? So in almost the same sentence you have contradicted yourself.
What the fuck is this "particular expensive kind of magic"? Can't you just say constructed so people can understand you. And assuming you did mean constructed, then yes, like I said in my post, highly expensive cards price people out, especially begineers looking to get into the game, out of constructed formats.
If you don't have a problem with 50$ Moons, fine. But to read things like "get a job" or "it's this expensive for everyone" irks me to death as those are just really ignorant comments that do not adress the issue (or non-issue apparently for you guys) that card prices are getting more, and more expensive through the years due to certain individuals and companies making a business out of speculation. I'm going to use the word lucky, and say I'm lucky to have a good job where I earn well, because even though I bust my ass and deserve my pay I'm sure there are others out there who bust their asses just as hard, and earn a lot less, and can't enjoy owning some shit sideboard card like Seedtime because hey, it's 80$. Sorry bud, should have bought it earlier, when you were a fucking embyro.
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Kanti
What the fuck is this "particular expensive kind of magic"? Can't you just say constructed so people can understand you. And assuming you did mean constructed, then yes, like I said in my post, highly expensive cards price people out, especially begineers looking to get into the game, out of constructed formats.
Pauper is also 'constructed'. He meant Legacy and Vintage, but you knew that. Nice cow you had there. :tongue:
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I'm pretty sure you could replace Modern with Vintage there, as of all cards I could understand being grossly overpriced it would be the Power 9 and Co. as cards from Alpha are iconic to Magic, are as old as time, and pretty rare. When you're getting priced out of 8th Edition reprints then yes, there is a problem.
So no, I didn't know that, or think that. I assumed constructed eternal formats, and since I'm talking about prices of MTG acting as a barrier to entry I woudn't have much reason to bring up Vintage in that same vein.
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I assumed constructed eternal formats, and since I'm talking about prices of MTG acting as a barrier to entry I woudn't have much reason to bring up Vintage in that same vein.
Modern isn't an eternal format. Non-rotating, yes. But not eternal. :wink:
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Chill out, Kanti. Just wanted to point out that newcomers can ignore the large costs attached to playing. Buy yourself a duel deck or whatever the starter deck equivalent is nowadays.
Many people here on The Source seem to forget the fact that mtg is a lot more than legacy. You can even try to win legacy tournaments with burn, dredge or something if you are a beginner and decide that you absolutely need to play the most expensive formats.
Modern cards are not supposed to be stupid expensive but the fact is that a collectables tend to rise on price. Tarmogoyf is 100+ euros after three printings and now Blood Moon.
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Many people here on The Source seem to forget the fact that mtg is a lot more than legacy. You can even try to win legacy tournaments with burn, dredge or something if you are a beginner and decide that you absolutely need to play the most expensive formats.
Well said, Hopo. And in fact these decks, despite being considered Tier II, do take down tournaments. The whole "barrier to entry" complaint is really overblown.
