[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by Lord Seth

The funny thing is, they did exactly that with Thoughtseize. The card was at about $70, then got a reprint in a Standard set with a huge print run (Theros had the highest print run of any Standard set up until that point); they don't release print run numbers anymore but it's pretty obvious that a lot more than 2 million Thoughtseizes got distributed. No market destruction occurred as a result.

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Just some nit picking. At that point RTR was still the most sold set, Theros was right behind it. Now Kharns is first, followed by RTR and Theros (and if I remember correct, Innistrad is pretty close to Theros too).

Greetings,
Kathal

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Originally Posted by Kathal

Just some nit picking. At that point RTR was still the most sold set, Theros was right behind it. Now Kharns is first, followed by RTR and Theros (and if I remember correct, Innistrad is pretty close to Theros too).

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Didn't sell Theros more than RTR? :eyebrow:

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Originally Posted by Barook

Didn't sell Theros more than RTR? :eyebrow:

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Nope, Theros wasn't that big of a seller. RTR had the Shock lands in it, which pulled a lot of people pack for ripping boosters. Furthermore, the EV was really high (all Shocks, Angel of Serenity, Supreme Verdict, Sphinx's Revelation, Azurious Charm, Decay, DRS, Jace, Smiter, and many many other cards) and the Innistrad + RTR Standard was one of the most popular Standard formats they had in quite a while (ergo more sold packs).

The only reason why Khans sold more packs was because of the Fetches and also the rather high EV. Also, the current Standard format is also quite popular compared with the last one.

Greetings,
Kathal

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

Nourishing Shoal is seven dollars. Where's Cavius?

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More like 26$ now. :eek:

Blame Modern Tin Fins.

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Originally Posted by Barook

More like 26$ now. :eek:

Blame Modern Tin Fins.

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Looks like $14 to me, but still, glad I had some from a junk binder I found

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Originally Posted by Allcoin

Looks like $14 to me, but still, glad I had some from a junk binder I found

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I accidently looked up the foil version. That's still alot for a rather janky card.

Lantern of Insight @ ~7$. Its like legacy bannings on steroids.

Also the way card prices works is a lot different than any other economy. I wouldn't even say that speculation is ever being done because the way the market works there is practically no risk in purchasing as many copies of a card as possible. It is like if penny stocks could only go up, and when they did they went up by a factor of thousands, really I cant think of any other market of anything that resembles this, it is basically free money. What I think is going on now is that sets come out and there are cards that are guarantees, like the ones listed earlier, which get bulk bought and hoarded, so while supply all the people get their cards, basic logic. The people that actually pay the price are the people who either weren't playing the game at that time or were hyper casual kitchen tablers that want to transition to competitive. There are tons of these players, the game is more popular than ever before, and only continues to become increasingly so. To a lesser degree this also applies to other formats like EDH, but the point is that this population just didn't exist when prices were low so it isn't a case of 'you should have bought it when it was cheap,' because for them it was never cheap. When it comes to reprints, the real expensive cards do get cheaper, but even something like Thoughtsieze which has a dramatic drop, it is still a 20$ card after an enormous print run. People actually over estimate the value of supply in the market because excess supply doesn't just sit around until someone who needs it comes along and buys it, excess supply is bought up and sat on until it is resold a couple years later for a guaranteed profit. On top of this, making it even harder to lose money, pretty much any value shift by reprinting and banning is telegraphed far in advance, sometimes upwards of a year in the case of reprintings, it doesn't even matter if they react a little late since price memory combines with the huge spikes of prices means you can still dump your investments at a significantly cheaper price than market and still make a hefty profit.

Does anyone else remember that Forbes magazine talking about how MTG was a bizarre investment strategy a few years ago, and that they were doing so under the premise that cards like power 9 appreciated in value by ~15 - 20% a year, which is a joke for anyone who has paid any attention to the secondary market, Thousand fold returns on investments are actually commonplace in this market.

tldr: The MTG market is fisher price economy where the only way you lose is by not playing sooner.

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Originally Posted by phonics

Lantern of Insight @ ~7$. Its like legacy bannings on steroids.

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Holy crap. My foil Lantern is worth something!

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Originally Posted by phonics

Lantern of Insight @ ~7$. Its like legacy bannings on steroids.

~investment stuff~

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In Europe, only the foil versions got bought up, the normal ones are still around 0,10€. Lets see, if those also will get bought up.

And yeah, if you invested in some cards (Power 9, Duals, Blood Moon, Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster,....) some years ago, you would have gotten a profit, which you will (likely) never get at the stock market.

Greetings,
Kathal

I do not see Lantern of Insight holding much value over the long term. A flash in the pan, the deck has issues with anything that can kill its bridges and attack it so Jund will eat it alive.

I wonder how many Lanterns of insight are sitting around in random Game Stores' junk rares bins.

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Originally Posted by MGB

I wonder how many Lanterns of insight are sitting around in random Game Stores' junk rares bins.

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Not many since it's an uncommon.

Welp, I hope you bought your Cavern of Souls already, if you needed them.

Now that Goblin Piledriver is a thing in Modern and Elves are just insane in Modern, well, yeah.

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Originally Posted by MGB

Welp, I hope you bought your Cavern of Souls already, if you needed them.

Now that Goblin Piledriver is a thing in Modern and Elves are just insane in Modern, well, yeah.

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I wish the stupid shocklands would just spike so I can get rid of my playset once and for all.

What's the story on Lantern of Insight? I had one foil as a trinket mage / Artificer's intuition target against Entreat the Angels. Why is it going up?

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Originally Posted by bruizar

What's the story on Lantern of Insight? I had one foil as a trinket mage / Artificer's intuition target against Entreat the Angels. Why is it going up?

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One guy made a deck in modern around it and got 15th at gp charlotte:

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...zac_elisk.html

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Originally Posted by Deviruchi

One guy made a deck in modern around it and got 15th at gp charlotte:

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...zac_elisk.html

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That deck lol!!

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Originally Posted by Deviruchi

One guy made a deck in modern around it and got 15th at gp charlotte:

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...zac_elisk.html

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It was not one guy, this deck was developed on MTGSalvation since the start of the format. Cause only a handful of people are playing this deck, it never had any notable finishes.

Greetings,
Kathal

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Originally Posted by Kathal

It was not one guy, this deck was developed on MTGSalvation since the start of the format. Cause only a handful of people are playing this deck, it never had any notable finishes.

Greetings,
Kathal

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I believe the price spiked because LSV featured it in a video as well.

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Originally Posted by phonics

I believe the price spiked because LSV featured it in a video as well.

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It put up a finish, then LSV did a video of it on CFB and Sam Black did one on SCG. Completely unsurprising to see cards from it going up in price as a result.