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@ Contract Killer: Thanks for the report! I see you were a bit unlucky, hopefully it'll be better the next time. ;)
@ Vain: I like your list. It's very unconventional and has some ups and downs (e.g. I think I'll miss Goyfs in tribal matchups, but well, there are not many of them today), and if it works for you, more power to you! :)
I'd think that if you want to cut Goyfs for three Nemesis, the leftover slot should be a land.
So I used to play Shardless BUG in Legacy and Junk in Modern and have gotten tired of them and will now play RUG Delver in both Modern and Legacy.
I have played vs. RUG Delver a ton but have yet to pilot the deck. Please let me know if my list seems alright.
Creatures (12)
4 Nimble Mongoose
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Tarmogoyf
Spells (30)
4 Stifle
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Forked Bolt
2 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare
Lands (18)
4 Polluted Delta
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
Sideboard (15)
3 Submerge
2 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Flusterstorm
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Rough/Tumble
1 Sulfur Elemental
2 Tormod's Crypt
Thoughts? I am not a huge fan of spell snare atm, I was thinking of playing 2 copies of counterspell mb since it is an answer to TNN but being 2 mana is rough. I could also go up to 4 spell pierce instead of 2 snares but that just improves my already good combo matchup and its just ok vs blade variants.
Also, thoughts on jamming a second clique in the board? It's pretty good vs blade variants by taking away their equipment after they search for it or racing a TNN in the air alongside delver while doubling as a good card vs. combo.
For those who have been playing Life from the Loam in the side, how has it been for you? I used to play it in the side in Shardless BUG vs RUG delver and it was great but I'm not so sure now that I am playing a deck with only 18 lands and plays counter magic.
Chaam, that's a good starting point. Once you'll realize what fits your style and meta, you may improve the list.
Looks good pretty much just stock delver with the same 6 flex spot configuration that Taylor had success with. The mainboard is essentially 54 must spells (unless you try and jam TNN main, but that's another story) and 6 flex spots which are usually 2 more removal ranging from forked bolt to dismember and then either more counter magic or 3x probe. As for the sideboard all stock for the most part as well the only sketchy cards are crypt for more flexible grave hate like cage and sulfur elemental depending on how many D&T/Maverick you see in your meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaam
counterspell is one of the most underplayed spells in canadian ******** in my opinion.
I always run 1 counterspell in the md (sometimes in the side if the metagame demands it)
i board it in against slower decks without wastelands(and there are so many slower decks than yours), once you get your delver or mongoose down you just need to keep your mana open for reactive spells and counterspell is excellent in negating our opponents plans, may it a creature, removal,planeswalker,anything.
It's rock-solid, try it out :)
That main board is my last deck; since then I've cut both Snares for a third Pierce and a Chain Lightning. The Chain should probably be something else, but I like having seven removal spells, personally. Stick with your list and see what you personally do well with. Also, Grafdigger's Cage is usually better than Crypt since you can also board it vs. Elves (and maybe TES/ANT).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaam
One Clique is probably fine; if you want a second I would cut both Crypts for a second Clique and a Cage.
One Cage may not be enough against Elves, you reall don't have much time to dig for it. Same goes for Dredge/Reanimator. I'd love to play one Crypt becasue of random LftL/PFire, but there's no place for it, sadly.
I played RUG in our lgs today. Not really spectacular result (and report):
List:
54 RUG
2 Snare
2 Pierce
2 Fire/Ice
2 Rough
2 Submerge
1 KGrip
1 Ancestral Grudge
1 Art. Mutation
1 Flus
2 REB
2 Cage
2 Needle
1 Sulfur Emental
I played against Deathblade (Loss), Bye, Goblins (Loss) and ANT (Win). Nothing really amazing happened, except for the DBlade match which was very swingy, thrilling and full of action. Goblins would be better if only I drawn anything else than Daze, FoW, Pierce, and ANT was won although I drawn Goyfs, Goyfs, Goyfs.
I think I'll return to the DBlade match tomorrow as it was really interesting.
Which was your impression about F and I? I've ever liked it! Yeah it does not kill shaman in t1, as forked bolt does, but it's so versatile...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer
My impression? Well, the card felt weak. It never mattered the card is blue, instnat vs. sorcery is fine, but when there was Thalia in game, the additional :1: hurt a bit. It felt like either 1 or 3 is correct number; one to have it as a "bomb" or three to rely on its flexibility. Honestly, I met no Goyfs/Tombstalkers/KotRs and each BSK I simply destroyed, soI never needed the blue part, otherwise I'd maybe valu it differently.
Also, I'm considering Isochron Scepter main/sb. We play lots of brutal instans, as a one of, it won't clog our hand, late game bomb is safe of Decay (kind of) and it helps to seal the deal with CA/repeatable filtering.
I'm running also 2 Isochron Scepter in my UR Delver Dideboard to combat control decks without decay.
It's kinda similar to grim lavamancer which cant get plowed :D
Btw against control it can also become a jace the mind sculptur by imprinting bainstorm.
- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -
The only matchup I can imagine bringing isochron scepter in is miracles and even against that deck, scepter may be too slow. You need to spend 8 mana on it before you've actually made card advantage (scepter + 3 activations). On top of that, it can be countered by pretty much every counter in the format (spell pierce, spell snare, stifle).
Yep, we know the downsides of Isochron Scepter, and the card disadvantage is quite dangerous, otoh, it's very unconventional, it may give the oppoent some headache and the versatility (and/but also the unpredictability) makes it pretty interesting. It may become a Icy Manipulator with cantrip or Grim Lavamancer that splits the dmg, it may be neverending BS, it may become instanteous Spell Pierce, etc. A buddy of mine played it few years ago, and although Decay changed a lot, I'd be still interested if this may hel pus.
Bring this back to the DTB...
Its been performing well recently.
+1...and now number 1 in SCG's Atlanta Open...Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
It just had two well one first finish by Taylor Scott (SCG Nashville) and a tie for first by Stephen Mann (SCG Atlanta) a few more and we should be back on top. Let's face it even with printings of cards like Deathrite, RIP and TNN RUG is still the deck of choice for a large tournament. With probably 70/30 in our favor against any combo (except maybe High Tide) and 50/50 against everything else it's so versatile. There are so many straight blow outs with cards like wasteland and stifle mixed with cheap, but efficient counter spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
my faith in RUG has been restored slowly thanks to recent developments in SCG.
This is freaking hilarious.
2014/03/02 - SCG Atlanta - 1st
2014/02/23 - SCG St. Louis - 2nd
2014/02/09 - SCG Nashville - 1st
2014/01/26 - SCG Baltimore - 2nd
The only results RUG is reaching in big tourneys the past weeks is staying in the finals. Almost no other placements in TOP 8/16. Could'nt believe it again, as I saw the results of Atlanta this morning.
This deck is not DTB atm because of its quantity successes, but it deserves to because of its quality.
whoop whoop, canadian on it's way back to the top!
I think I need to Thresh my friendly lgs to prove the point! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by index
I hope it won't end with my usual 1:3 result.