[Deck] Solidarity

I have played around with these splashes slightly, and they are really a metagame call.

Remember that we really only have a sideboard of 10 or so, as the other cards are pretty much our fixed wishboard. This means that we can't afford to hate on any particular deck unless it is very prevelant in our meta.

Grip is a perfect example. The only time I want Grip rather than a bounce card is against Countertop, and even then Wipeaway does a decent job. So by playing Grip I may well be losing the bounce that helps me in my other matchups.

This really is where the trouble is. If the splash does nothing more than allow us a funky sideboard card or two, it is only going to be worthwhile in very specific metagames.

-Silent Requiem

Piceli89: I have never feelt the need for splash color (i have tried white for chant and green for alt. wincon and grip). MonoU with Wipe Away or Cryptic Command have fullfilled my need of getting rid of CB. And i never feelt that abayence (i like it more becouse it cantrips) has been needed.

The tournament i played this weekend i opted for solidarity.

I took more mulligans then i played games (atleast 1 per game, but mull to 5 happend alot). and got realy tilted. But atleast i tried out mindbreak trap, and i realy rocked. Played against some controldeck, and with two reset and fow on my side of the stack and 1 snare and 2 fow's on his side of the stack i could empty his side, and get all my spells thru. I fizzled when i was comboing of (fow, land, land, opt on a meditate) and when i Flash of insight for ten i see 8 or 7 lands and crap.

hi in 27 and 28/2/2010 is the gp madrid and the format is LEGACY!!!!

Who ill play there? and if yes who will take solidarity was a possible deck to win the gp?

Unless something unexpected like Flash is happening I will.

Even though I seem unable to find an optimal list at the moment, but there's a lot of time after all..

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Originally Posted by Van Phanel

Unless something unexpected like Flash is happening I will.

Even though I seem unable to find an optimal list at the moment, but there's a lot of time after all..

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I see ur last decklist why losse the cryptic and the only two remands? twincast is no good (this is my short experience talking but...) in maindeck.

Most likely ill go to Madrid, and if i go to Madrid ill most likely play solidarity.

Isn't Columbus a Legacy GP too?

columbus is also legacy...

who thinks one repeal maindecked (manking a 61 cards deck) is a positive factor and an usefull?

Someone asked about the mirror.

You want to bring in your 3rd Brainfreeze (I was running 4 between the main and the side), all your Twincast, and in my case, 3 Stifle (I ran three in the board).

Board out your resets, and I think I was boarding out three tides. Basically, you want to do short 2-3 spells combos. The goal is by the time they are ready to go, you already have half their deck in the yard. You stifle their fetch drops, and try to cost them tempo and resources. I tested this a long time ago against the other local solidarity player, and the strategy was extremely solid.

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Originally Posted by noobslayer

Someone asked about the mirror.

You want to bring in your 3rd Brainfreeze (I was running 4 between the main and the side), all your Twincast, and in my case, 3 Stifle (I ran three in the board).

Board out your resets, and I think I was boarding out three tides. Basically, you want to do short 2-3 spells combos. The goal is by the time they are ready to go, you already have half their deck in the yard. You stifle their fetch drops, and try to cost them tempo and resources. I tested this a long time ago against the other local solidarity player, and the strategy was extremely solid.

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using 4 brainfreeze is too much, and 3 stifle in sb is kill card slots because the mirror the one with better timing finishing it is the one who wins (key word timing do to the fact that u will always know if he is going to start the combo... remenber solidarity is a proactive deck and an isntant speed deck even facing mirror...

and i m sorry but i think that the stifle is a bad card to be played on solidarity my only doubt could be playing as sb one trikbind in case u don't have mana to pay for the stroke in response to gae's blessing...

I agree about the 4 freeze in main/sb, and about the stifle. Might be a thing when you expect to face many solidarity players, but as we all know, that is not likely to happen.

Collumbus is a Legacy GP as well, but i guess the ppl replying about Madrid are the Euro's hanging on this forum. I will most likely go to Collumbus as well if i can find the money/time for it.

About Repeal, i have played two repeal in the Cryptic/twincast/random stuff slots. It was not that good. Going to 61 cards is not an option, but i must admit that i'v been thinking of that as well. But my last card whould be an Island.

i actually Solidarity can have a good rogue factor especially seeing how CB decks arent doing as well as they use to.

i'm not sure if solidarity is still fast enough for the metagame though.

Pls go there and kickass and bring a little more attention back to this great deck.

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Originally Posted by KZhang

i actually Solidarity can have a good rogue factor especially seeing how CB decks arent doing as well as they use to.

i'm not sure if solidarity is still fast enough for the metagame though.

Pls go there and kickass and bring a little more attention back to this great deck.

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the problem is if u see some reports of spanish latest tornaments u see that dredge (a favor match-up against cb decks) is always (with some exceptions) on top 8 like other decks that are more favor against control (and cb)... this could meaning that c. balanced decks or control decks are also comun played there...

solidarity is fast enough due to the fact that mindbreak trap is a combokiller like played against belcher deck (unfortunatly :cry: ) that is the faster deck arround... dredge is very hard if it combo out at the second turn to reanimate iona (fow needed here or add a slaugther pact to sb - witch i don´t recomend sb is very precious and very dificult to arrange in this deck)... the worst match up to solidarity is reanimate bu entomb deck it play a iona on the first turn if needed and can protect it throught fow and daze... i think spell pierce is a good add to sb instead of disrupt (spell pierce can be usefull against aether vial - goblins and merfolk, arcane laboratory and the extra mana needed to be payed will do some damage) - disrupt= fragil disruption plus draw spell pierce = strong disruption to everything except creature...

hope my (not so well written) words help everyone game.

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Originally Posted by Seraphus

using 4 brainfreeze is too much, and 3 stifle in sb is kill card slots because the mirror the one with better timing finishing it is the one who wins (key word timing do to the fact that u will always know if he is going to start the combo... remember solidarity is a proactive deck and an instant speed deck even facing mirror...

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I never had any issues fitting everything into the sideboard that I needed when I was active. My mirror strategy is about quick attrition. You're trying to fizzle his combo for him.

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Originally Posted by cjva

I agree about the 4 freeze in main/sb, and about the stifle. Might be a thing when you expect to face many solidarity players, but as we all know, that is not likely to happen.

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Stifle had other uses as well. It helped against virtually every other combo deck.

By the way, my sideboard for reference:

x1 Chain of Vapor
x2 Echoing Truth
x1 Wipe Away
x2 Brainfreeze
x1 Meditate
x1 Reset
x1 Turnabout
x1 Stroke of Genius
x2 Twincast
x3 Stifle

You also made a comment about Gaea's Blessing. You shouldn't really be losing games to it. As you get more experienced with the deck it will be come more and more common for you to sequence your actions to be able to handle it.

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Originally Posted by noobslayer

I never had any issues fitting everything into the sideboard that I needed when I was active. My mirror strategy is about quick attrition. You're trying to fizzle his combo for him.



Stifle had other uses as well. It helped against virtually every other combo deck.

By the way, my sideboard for reference:

x1 Chain of Vapor
x2 Echoing Truth
x1 Wipe Away
x2 Brainfreeze
x1 Meditate
x1 Reset
x1 Turnabout
x1 Stroke of Genius
x2 Twincast
x3 Stifle

You also made a comment about Gaea's Blessing. You shouldn't really be losing games to it. As you get more experienced with the deck it will be come more and more common for you to sequence your actions to be able to handle it.

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the gae's blesing problem is stroke of genius (it's only a problem when u don't have enought mana)

It might only be me, but the only other combodeck i ever experienced to be a problem is Ichorid.

Every other combo-matchup should result in us playing the controller, with a combowin when they try to combo of.

the biggest problem i'v had with this deck, now that i think of it, is myself (tired) or the fizzlefactor.

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Originally Posted by cjva

It might only be me, but the only other combodeck i ever experienced to be a problem is Ichorid.

Every other combo-matchup should result in us playing the controller, with a combowin when they try to combo of.

the biggest problem i'v had with this deck, now that i think of it, is myself (tired) or the fizzlefactor.

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those two are the biggest problem of the deck in other words: the worst enemy or matchup of solidarity is it self. no other deck demands concentration as mutch as solidarity this only means that who can well solidarity is a better player (just kiding):laugh:

the instant speed response is awesome and makes the diference in this deck...

nothing to j/k about, becouse its true. If you lose with solidarity, its most likely becouse your bad. Thats the strongest part with the deck acording to me. Right now i feel rather unfocused when playing solidarity, so i opt to play something easier instead. =)

What is the most current, optimized deck list? The following is the build I will be playing tomorrow, although it is a little old and it seems there have been some changes.

4 Brainstrom
4 Opt
4 Impulse
3 Remand
2 Flash of Insight
3 Meditate
3 Cunning Wish
2 Cryptic Command
4 Force of Will

4 High Tide
4 Reset
3 Turnabout
2 Brain Freeze

3 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
13 Island
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3 Disrupt
1 Stifle
1 Mystical Tutor
2 Twincast
1 Tolarian Winds
1 Brain Freeze
1 Meditate
1 Rebuild
1 Wipe Away
1 Stroke of Genius
1 Turnabout
1 Evacuation

Some of the most notable changes I have read seem to be dropping Cryptic Command in favor of MD Twincast and losing some Remands for Peek. I, too, feel like losing a Flash of Insight just out of spite for Wizards constantly changing rules on me.

I used to play Twincast in the main along with Stroke and rather enjoyed it (Stroke on the stack trageting you, resolve Twincast targeting me, BF, empty the stack. Also plays well with Meditate).

I don't "roll with Team Super Playtesters" so I rarely get a chance to test out and optimize my build. Also, I have no idea what to expect for a Meta as I haven't played in a few months.

Your maindeck is exactly what I play, except I have 6 fetches, rather than 5.

For a while I ran Twincast over Cryptic Command, but I found that having maindeck bounce won me games against Countertop and random hate.

With regards to FoI; I never Wished for removed cards before the change, so I have not actually seen any decrease in it's utility. I still feel that it is worth playing 2 of.

Sideboarding is a meta call. I play 4 Ravenous Trap for Dredge, but then I have a few of those floating around my meta. This is my current sideboard:

1 Meditate
1 Stroke
1 Turnabout
1 Brainfreeze
1 Rebuild
4 Ravenous Trap
2 Twincast
2 Wipeaway
2 Echoing Truth

I have also tried Tolarian Winds and Mystic Tutor in the sideboard. Both are good in theory, but I never seemed to use them. I took them out to make room for my Dredge hate and have not missed them. Evacuation is an interesting choice. But I rarely have 8 mana (3 for Wish, 5 for Evac) unless I am going off, and I might as well just win then.

-Silent Requiem