[Deck] GW/x Maverick

I won the 79 people tournament where Maëlig also top 4'd with this list and matchups.
I think the deck is very very strong. My list still needs minor tweaking though.

4x knight of the reliquary
4x stoneforge mystic
3x minesensor aven
3x noble hierarch
1x birds of paradise
3x qasali pridemage
1x terravore
1x eternal witness
1x Thrun, is trolling
1x scryb ranger
1x scavenging ooze

4x green sun’s zenith
4x swords to plowshares
4x mental misstep

1x batterskull
1x sword of feast and famine
1x umezawa’s jitte

4x windswept heath
2x verdant catacombs
3x savannah
2x horizon canopy
4x wasteland
2x forest
1x plains
1x karakas
1x maze of ith
1x gaea’s cradle
1x dryad arbor


SIDE:
2x path to exile
2x life from the loam
1x bojuka bog
1x treetop village
2x enlightened tutor
1x tormod’s crypt
2x choke
1x ghostly prison
1x phyrexian metamorph
1x qasali pridemage
1x gaddock teeg


matchups:

alluren: 2-0
mud: 2-0
maverick: 2-0
stoneblade: 2-0
stoneblade with red splash: 2-1
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Top 8:
Player concedes
Maverick ( maëlig ): 2-1
Bugstill: 2-1

Hi !

I've been playing this deck lately (in EU), and I was wondering something : there seems to be a lot of hype around Hive Mind lately, and people are doing really good with it; are there any good SB cards to counter this deck ?

The only ones i could think of are more qasalis, canonist to slow them by one turn or including R and B bilands (which are really not satisfying)

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Originally Posted by r0ckstAr

Hi !

I've been playing this deck lately (in EU), and I was wondering something : there seems to be a lot of hype around Hive Mind lately, and people are doing really good with it; are there any good SB cards to counter this deck ?

The only ones i could think of are more qasalis, canonist to slow them by one turn or including R and B bilands (which are really not satisfying)

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Qasali does nothing against Hive Mind unless you've already got a Canonist in play - that's a pretty weak answer. Angel's Grace is the card that beats Hive Mind.

My sideboard against Hive Mind includes 8-9 cards:

2 Choke
2 Canonist
3 Angel's Grace
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Phyrexian Metamorph

Taking out:
some equipment
some SFM
4 StP
some of the 1-of green creatures (Thrun, Terravore etc)

Is it worth to add 3 much needed slots from your side to 1 Deck, angel's grace isn't really helpfull against anything but hive mind. And to donate 3 slots to 1 deck, wich, here in the EU, doesn't see so much play, is pretty contraproductive I think.

I think you are better of accepting hive mind is a loss ( unless that player is stupid and he goes for the emrakul plan.

Just like, in the pre mental misstep era, goblins accepted tess was a loss and nonetheless, goblins Was a good deck.

It's more of a concession to my metagame. Two tournaments ago I played against Hive Mind 4 times in a 6 round tournament. :\

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Originally Posted by Mr.Dieth

Is it worth to add 3 much needed slots from your side to 1 Deck, angel's grace isn't really helpfull against anything but hive mind. And to donate 3 slots to 1 deck, wich, here in the EU, doesn't see so much play, is pretty contraproductive I think.

I think you are better of accepting hive mind is a loss ( unless that player is stupid and he goes for the emrakul plan.

Just like, in the pre mental misstep era, goblins accepted tess was a loss and nonetheless, goblins Was a good deck.

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Absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that everyone should have 3 Angel's Grace in their board for Hive Mind. But understand that Pridemage isn't going to get you there. If you have room, Canonist isn't terrible if it is useful against other decks for you. The other option is to go deeper blue for Daze which is very good against Hive Mind and useful against other decks as well. But it requires a fairly heavy Blue commit.

Wasn't directed at you, I was more thinking out loud :D

@ rukcus: If hive mind is a big part of your meta ( I weep for you.. I really loathe that "deck" ) maybe maverick isn't such a good choice. Your better of playing a more bant-ish/maverick list, with daze/brainstorm's etc, then playing very situational/mediocre cards ( at best! )

My point is: don't try and make a stone jump through hoops, cause it won't. Just like maverick isn't going to beat hive mind ( unless dumb opponent ), or you get really lucky MMs his cantrips, wastes, and a lucky aven.

(Good) Hive Mind lists also include Vendilion Clique these days. Angel's Grace isn't too hot against those...

Chalice at 1 also sucks.

yadda yadda Thorn of Amethyst yadda

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Originally Posted by Tao

yadda yadda Thorn of Amethyst yadda

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Part of the problem with Thorns is the 2 mana cost. It may not be fast enough to disrupt, and when it is fast enough, Hive Mind can power right through it with Sol-lands. I like the card personally, but can't objectively say it's effective when we want it to be. This card requires you to have the resources in order to kill them before they get enough mana to ignore Thorns.

This comes from my experiences with it in other decks (namely Elves). Even in that deck it wasn't fast enough to stop combo decks.

How is Thorn not fast enough to disrupt them? They can almost never kill on turn 2 and from then on they need 5 Mana to Combo so it buys quite lot of time, especially with Wastelands and because it slows their search down too.
And it is not that your choices do more. Canonist is just as slow (and does far less), and Angels Grace is only relevant in one Combo matchup.

Ad Nauseum, Hive Mind, and Painter all have the potential to kill you on turn 2. Their acceleration is enough to drive their fast kills. Thorns is better against slow combo (High Tide?) and control. The former doesn't care about Thorns as they can just bounce it prior to going off, and the latter is playing tons of removal for your clock.

I don't think that Thorn of Amethyst is the ideal sideboard card against combo. It would be better to expand into blue for countermagic and Clique than try to shore up the matchups by staying in GW alone.

Good news for Maverick players ;) looks like decks works successful and starting to winning many big tournaments.

Also I have a nice info, in new developed format - Modern - almost all cards (or their format replacement) is legal :], so it would be strict Tier 1 deck :].

Not sure if that's good news, at the moment in my meta, maverick is unstopable, I just steamroll whole tournaments. I am fearing the moment people start meta gaming against maverick.. Dunno what that will be 'cause perisch isn't really that great of an answer ( stoneforge, batterskull, go ) but maybe, because of maverick being great we are going to see te return of combo? ( my meta at the moment is mostly midrange decks ( junk, big zoo, maverick, bustill, bant ) )

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Originally Posted by Mr.Dieth

Not sure if that's good news, at the moment in my meta, maverick is unstopable, I just steamroll whole tournaments. I am fearing the moment people start meta gaming against maverick.. Dunno what that will be 'cause perisch isn't really that great of an answer ( stoneforge, batterskull, go ) but maybe, because of maverick being great we are going to see te return of combo? ( my meta at the moment is mostly midrange decks ( junk, big zoo, maverick, bustill, bant ) )

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Like you said, Maverick is tough to hate against. We attack from so many angles and GSZ allows us to switch our gameplan at any time. But I agree that its rising popularity may not be such a good thing, because now people will be ready for it. When I first started playing it in my meta, people were just shocked by an in-response-to-your-NO-I-will-cast-Aven-Mindscensor. Now, others in my meta are playing it, too, and cards like Mindscensor, Thrun, and Scryb Ranger aren't as much of a surprise for my opponent.

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Originally Posted by rukcus

Ad Nauseum, Hive Mind, and Painter all have the potential to kill you on turn 2. Their acceleration is enough to drive their fast kills. Thorns is better against slow combo (High Tide?) and control. The former doesn't care about Thorns as they can just bounce it prior to going off, and the latter is playing tons of removal for your clock.

I don't think that Thorn of Amethyst is the ideal sideboard card against combo. It would be better to expand into blue for countermagic and Clique than try to shore up the matchups by staying in GW alone.

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If blue would be better then why do you suggest Canonist, Angels Grace and E Tutor? That makes no sense at all.

Also Painter and Hive Mind ~never kill on turn 2 so your Thorn will land.

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Originally Posted by Tao

If blue would be better then why do you suggest Canonist, Angels Grace and E Tutor? That makes no sense at all.

Also Painter and Hive Mind ~never kill on turn 2 so your Thorn will land.

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Turn 1 - Ancient Tomb, Grim Monolith
Turn 2 - Island, Hive Mind, Pact. gg

Turn 1 - Island, Ponder
Turn 2 - Show and Tell, Hive Mind, Pact. gg

Turn 1 - Ancient Tomb, Painter
Turn 2 - Ancient Tomb, Grindstone. gg

All these combos involve Ancient Tomb plus the 3 fitting Combo cards. That is why I said ~never.