What do you guys think about running grapeshot instead of brianfreeze, it seams like a better way to win with emerukul and stuff in the format.
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What do you guys think about running grapeshot instead of brianfreeze, it seams like a better way to win with emerukul and stuff in the format.
Are you proposing something similar to the Pauper High Tide lists, which also use Chromatic Star/Sphere to filter the blue mana into red for Grapeshot?
well we already play fetches and duals still work with high tide (even when tapping for red), so maby just add in 2 duals. I guess chromatic stuff would work as well if your super worried about waste land.
So any word on the decklist that placed first at that tournament in Spain?
Not yet. He posted the lists for the Vintage tournament, but the Legacy lists aren't up yet. Hopefully he'll put them up by tomorrow. Everyone is asking in the comments for the Legacy lists to be put up, especially cause they are interested in the Spring Tide.Quote:
Originally Posted by MGC_player
He said that would post the Legacy lists today. We must wait a little more.
Lists are up!!!!!
http://launiversidaddelasartesludica...ain-event.html
7 Island
1 Volcanic Island
2 Flooded Strand
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Polluted Delta
2 Misty Rainforest
4 Force of Will
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Snap
3 Turnabout
1 Flash of Insight
4 Meditate
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Ideas Unboud
3 Merchant Scroll
4 High Tide
2 Remand
1 Brain Freeze
2 Cunning Wish
Sideboard
2 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Brain Freeze
1 Stroke of Genius
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Words of Wisdom
1 Echoing Truth
2 Dispel
1 Wipe Away
1 Rebuild
1 Turnabout
1 Pyroblast
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Comet Storm
Some interesting tech in there. He uses Comet Storm presumably as an alternate win-con as a wish target. The Emrakul sideboard plan is really odd. I mean, by the time you can cast Emrakul, you can just use Comet Storm to win can't you?
He is using Solidarity's Flash of Insight and Remand in here. I'm really surprised that FoI is worth it for Spring Tide. Also, 8 fetchlands for 7 Islands and a Volcanic Island seems like an overkill. I suppose it is needed to reliably find the Volcanic though.
Some notes about the deck by a teammate of the player:
http://www.factoriademishra.com/phpB...p=47275#p47273
Translated:Quote:
Es mi colega.
La idea de jugar esa baraja se la di yo. Fue tras jugar el open de legacy de rebellión III, como no vi counterbalance y sólo vi combo y bichos pues se me ocurrió que esta era la baraja ideal para jugar (contra tritones, goblins y zoo va muy muy bien). Ese día cuando se lo comenté me dijo que tenía razón, que había que jugar esa baraja. Y le dije que si no la quería jugar él que me la dejara a mí, a él lo único que le tiraba para atrás es la grandísima exigencia mental que se requiere.
Luego llegó el open de rebellion IV, y le volví a decir lo mismo, finalmente decidió jugarla. Días más tarde después de testear un poquillo llegó y me dijo que le había metido un mínimo splash a rojo, para la pyroblast y la comet storm. Y días después se le ocurrió meter los Emrakul en el side. Lo hizo porque además de ser una condición de victoria diferente (él lo puede acabar lanzando), le puede servir para que no le deckeen y sobretodo se lo metió contra Show and tell o cosas así
A mí no me pareció mal, ya que en realidad tenía hueco en el banquillo para ello, pero lo hizo sin probarlo, así que tampoco sabíamos cómo iba a resultar.
So, the choose is a metadeck.Quote:
He is my dude.
I give to him the idea that he can play this deck. After playing Rebellion Legacy Open III, I didn't see any CB and only shaw combo and Aggro, so I think that this deck would be the best choice to play (works very good vs Merfolks, Goblins and Zoo). This day I said it to him and he agree with me, we must play that deck. I told to him that if he didn't want to play it I would do. The only thing that backwards him was that the deck need a lot of concentration to play.
After that comed the Rebellion Legacy Open IV, and I repeat all to him, so finally he play it. Some days afther that, he test it a little and told to me that he maked a minimal red splash to play Pyroblast and Comet Storm. And some days after he put the Emrakul in the SB. He do it because they are an alternative win condition (he can cast it) and can beat decking, and face S&T decks.
It seems not bad to me, because there are free slots in the SB, but he put the Emrakuls without test, so we doesn't know if them would work.
0 CB decks -> Play Solidarity/Spring Tide :D
I love Europe xD
That's kinda disappointing. I thought there would be some savage tech but that list looks like a pretty stock list with a red splash.
The only new techs are Dispel in the Disrupt SB slot and 2 Emrakul as WinCondition vs S&T decks.
More info:
http://www.factoriademishra.com/phpB...tart=10#p47286
He dislikes Remand, and uses the Red splash very little, normally he side in Emrakul and beat with it vs Emrakul's decks.
Dispel is a must have in counterwars.
Wish+Comet Storm+ 20 DMG = 25 manaQuote:
Originally Posted by ummon
Emrakul = 15 Mana.
I think it may worth testing...
Did not like Fact or Fiction, the Remands, FoI, and only playing with 3 Merchant Scroll...
Nevertheless, congrats to the guy.
What list would you play then :)? Im also interested in the Emrakuls in the sb, dont know about splashing red tho, opinions on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScatmanX
~Maarten
I'm curently testing Defense Grid, with 10 cantrips.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1maarten1
Don't think that I'll splash red, but will test Emrakul.
This is the list I' m testing for the moment. I used to play Solitarity a lot, but after I saw the performance of Spring Tide in the EW, before knowing the list, I decided to rebuild it in Spring Tide form, and the results are quite decent:
"Spring Tide" by Iñaki Puigdollers
Main Deck 60
12 Island
1 Flooded Strand
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Force of Will
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Preordain
4 Ideas Unboud
3 Meditate
4 Merchant Scroll
3 Cunning Wish
3 Cloud of Faeries
3 Snap
2 Turnabout
4 High Tide
2 Brain Freeze
Sideboard 15
3 Spell Pierce
2 Wipe Away
2 Defense Grid
1 Brain Freeze
1 Meditate
1 Stroke of Genius
1 Rebuild
1 Turnabout
1 Twincast
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Mindbreak Trap
I can see the point of Red Splash, but not in the form the EW deck used it. I' ve thought on this:
2x Volcanic Island (main deck), instead of 2 Island, and 2x Fetchalnd, instead of 2x Island.
3x Pyroblast (sidebaord), instead of the 3 Spell Pierce
In order to battle Counterbalance decks, Also Comet Storm can be nice as alternate win condition or hate bear removal,
But I think that the weakiening of the mana base will be worst in many match ups, this is weakening the match up against: Golbins, Merfolk, some survival incarnations and (the most important) UGx tempo decks, due to turning you vulnerable to Wastelnad.
Greetings,
Iñaki.-
@Emrakul
Isn't it a terrible win condition if you plan on hardcasting it? You would have to cut the Meditates for them, or atleast not play your Meditates when you're ramping up to him.
@Iñaki, if you want to play only 8 untap effects MD I'll go with:
4 Cloud of Faeries
2 Snap
2 Turnabout
You don't want to play Snap if you can avoid it, remember that your opponent can kill your Faerie in response of Snap, and counter it. I always played 11 untappers, putting Snap or Turnabout as Wishtarget, but this was before Preordain was printed.
You don't need 2x Brain Freeze, you have Mystical tutor and Cunning Wish to tutor for it, so you can add another Cloud or Turnabout.
Dispel seems better in the counterwar, remember that your High Tide affect both players, so your opponent can pay the 2 mana easily if he plays Islands.
Which card is Defense? Defense Grid?
As I say in the spanish forum, I'm testing the red splash with Burning Wish and is goldfishing like a charm for me. I must test it vs Tempo decks, but seems that it could combo without playing the wishs (playing Islands only) if you need it, but you must go for MD Emrakul or Brain Freeze as win conditions.
@Kikoo
I suppose that he goes -2 Meditate +2 Emrakul.
If you play a single Meditate, you can play Emrakul and get no-extra turn. Many times you would keep a hand with 2-4 FOW if you play Stroke of Genius for many mana.
Remember that you play snap, so if you play 2x Meditate you can snap your opponent creatures while comboing and gain some time.
Sure but snap is interesting in order to buy time against an aggressive opponent, and also to get rid of hate bears, you can alwas snap an opponent creature, is not strictly necessary to snap the Faerie, so I ' ve chosen it for its versatily, and it can also be fetched with EMrchant Scroll, while Cloud of Faeries can't.
About the second brainfreeze you may be right, I' ve always played just one (in solidarity), but I'm trying it as the brute force option, in order to avoid fizzle and minimize the Storm count needed. Anyway it can be changed for the 4th Cloud.
Greetings,
Iñaki.-
From my own testing, one Brain Freeze MD and one in side is fine. I rarely fizzle with the list I run. I'll be modifying my SB a bit more and moving the defense grids back to it. Just wish there were people in my area that I could test with.
What is the correct number of fetches for a mono blue list? 6 or 4? :) Also I think 4 BS, 4 Ponder and 2 Preordain is enough cantrip, I would play +1 Cloud of faeries and +1 Turnabout in your list Iñaki.
You can play any number between 0 and 8 blue fetchs as you want. Fetchs clean your deck and makes you weaker vs Tempo decks with Stifle, but anyway you are weak vs Stifle because he can use it to break your Brain Freezes. Sometimes getting a Stifle in your Fetch without pressure in the table is a good play for you.
I always used 4, but I'ld play 8 if I need to go for splash.