Nope! Don't need 'em!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
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Nope! Don't need 'em!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I still play Warping Wail x3-x4 in UG. the card is bonkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lormador
Ancient stirrings being sorcery speed and not getting Primeval Titan are two major detractors. The UG version mostly plays in the EOT step, and stirrings fights that. For builds with lower-candelabra count, or which are tuned specifically for artifact removal (EE + needle) ancient stirrings isn't bad at all.
Trickbind was mostly a pre-warping wail printing maindeck answer to random combo and storm. Warping Wail has overwhelmingly taken the card's spot.
This is very helpful, and also illuminates the main purpose of Gitaxian Probe, does it not? Perfect information leads to safer Show and Tells, as well as knowing when I can just go for it with a risky-looking Crop Rotation into Primeval Titan with no backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
This is what I'll bring this weekend to SCG Worcester:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Maindeck:
4 Primeval Titan
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
4 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pithing Needle
4 Crop Rotation
3 Expedition Map
4 Warping Wail
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Candelabra of Tawnos
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
2 Vesuva
1 Thespian's Stage
4 Forest
2 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Maze of Ith
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Karakas
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Sideboard:
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Krosan Grip
2 Rest In Peace
1 Trinisphere
1 Sphere of Resistance
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Moment's Peace
3 Leyline of Sanctity
Oracle seemed underwhelming for me. I will retry it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwcomposer
3 gsz for 6 (8) targets seems like a lot but the single green makes sense. I will look into GSZ
Warping wail must be a card I don't understand bc it was always dead for me.
only 1 candle? I enjoy the second quite a bit.
No depth with the stage?
I have never been a fan of dryad arbor, not as a land anyway.
I want to play cavern but 41 tix is more than I am willing to spend on a land in one deck.
Only 2 vesuva/1 maze? 3 vesuva has been good but maybe 1 maze is correct.
My sb looks like it was made by a yugioh player in the dark.
You have more experience than I do so I will defer to your judgement.
I was hoping there was a sneak attack RG version.
You could be the first!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
So... we have another *thing* to discuss.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/m...ning-growth#c1
Stunning Growth
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Sorcery
Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
It seems like sideboard material against those decks that just *love* to blow up lands. It also retrieves lands Crop Rotated away as well as any other random reason we have lands in the grave. Unlike Crucible, it's all of them at once, and unlike most other retrieval options, it's to the battlefield... tapped, but we're used to that.
Perhaps this is just better fit for Lands.dec, but it seems test worthy.
Honestly seems great against loam decks, mostly for mono green since you need to still be able to grab enough basics to be sure to cast this. But using that new instant spell that mills and return a creature or land, plus this could work towards a new build of the deck that could potentially maximize the long game and efficiency of the deck against a deck like lands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mockingbird
Definitely test worthy. At the very least, it seems like a reasonable sideboard option in a Wasteland-heavy meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mockingbird
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Not my decklist, but:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
* Oracle+Top fights grindy decks that attack your hand and have trouble removing the Oracle, e.g. varieties of BUG.
* Whether 3 GSZ is a lot depends on how often you want to fetch Dryad Arbor with it. The downside of treating it as titans 5-7 is that you will have games with additional "Primeval Titans" sitting uncastable in your hand.
* If Warping Wail seems dead to you then I suspect you haven't played against the right matchups enough. :)
* I played with 0 Candelabras for several months and still did well. I play 1 now with Ancient Stirrings to find it, and in your case I think 0, 1, or 2 are all defensible. Don't concern yourself too much with the number.
* Stage/Depths is unreliable - too many decks can answer a single Marit Lage and we can't realistically recur the combo. You can play it if you want and it will win you some games, but it's certainly not necessary. You will also lose games to having a random Dark Depths and nothing to do with it.
* Play Khalni Garden instead of Dryad Arbor. No, it can't be fetched or GSZ'ed for, but it doesn't transform random bolts and swords into stone rains and it can be reused with Vesuva after the token blocks. It helps to have a searchable land for edict protection so I would pick one of the two. Also, people will bring in Containment Priest/Grafdigger's Cage when they see your GSZ but neither of those stop the Garden token.
* Your budget is up to you, but you should decide how OK you are with titans getting countered. If you had to decide between acquiring a second Candelabra and the first Cavern I would strongly recommend the Cavern.
I would disagree. Not just because Candelabra is insanely powerful (which it is — I run the full 4x), but also because it's at risk of a buyout. If you want Candelabras, get them now before they inevitably spike for no good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by k_omega
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Welcome on board Lormador! Nice to see ppl spending hard earned cash on this deck... I've spend a ton of money on this deck and I'm still having fun and I'm still spending money :laugh:
I've been playing caw's list with Rock's SB. The list feels very balanced and strong. The issues I'm trying to solve ATM are magus and knight of the reliquary. I've added 2x o-stones to the board. Usually they work fine against magus but not against knight, since they often get decayed.
I mean the match-up is not unwinnable it's just that loam can lock you out of the game pretty easily. I lost a game where i surgical extracted his wastelands on T1 (and thought i won the game), only to be overrun by knights in the next few turns. SnT would help greatly in these tight spots, but the list runs only 2 :frown: Though I have excepted the greater wisdom of more experienced players on this issue i still think we should run at least 3? :really:
Anyhow I would love to have a universal removal in the board that could reliably take out these two calamities and more of course. I've tried perilous vault but the extra mana cost means it can be too slow, especially if you are being wasted to oblivion and it's hard to cast anything above 2-3 cmc... dismember I've tried and i really don't like the 4 life cost, too painful for my taste... Pyrite Spellbomb seems too narrow and Steel Hellkite seems too expensive. What else can we run to keep the battlefield clean and tidy considering the current meta where ugin sucks?
This is as good a time to ask as any - do you have a recent list handy? I've mostly been playing UG lately, but I've also really enjoyed what I've come to call BoozePost when I've played it in the past and I'll probably sleeve it up again soon. I'd been using the same mainboard that you posted months back with a few sideboard tweaks based on my locals, and I'm curious as to whether you'd had any successful changes since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube
First off, I only have limited experience with this deck. I got into Legacy about two months ago, so I'm still learning, still tweaking. One thing I like about Titan Post is that there is no unified decklist and I can adjust the deck as I play, test things out, draw my own conclusions, make my own revisions, and feel like I have a small sense of ownership over my list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
For me, Oracle is a great way to ramp mana, provide a blocker in a desperate pinch, and with Top lets you just plow through your deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I know a few people on here don't care for Green Sun's Zenith and maybe one day I'll cut it. But it was one of those cards that got me excited the first time I read it on the Modern banlist. It's great for getting Dryad Arbor turn one, Gaddock Teeg without the white source, and works as Primeval Titan 5-7 (costing one additional mana but only one green source).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
This card is generally an all-star. It counters a lot of "gotcha!" cards in the format, including some deck's win-cons. It kills pesky creatures like Deathrite Shaman. It provides an instant-speed blocker or a creature to sacrifice to Lilliana. And in the worst-case scenario, it gives you an extra mana on your next turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I tried to buy a second one but my bank account started to yell at me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
A number of people recommended against Dark Depths. I keep one Stage because it's a good way to copy a utility land (Glacial Chasm! Maze of Ith!). Sure, it's a little slow, but it works out. And because it's so often paired with Dark Depths, sometimes your opponent will play around the combo without knowing you don't actually have it! It's also great in the match against Lands; last week, my Lands opponent started to combo off with his own Dark Depths and Thespian's Stage, and I responded by copying his Depths for my own Marit Lage! He scooped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I, too, have mixed feelings on this card. Another semi-popular option as an alternative is Khalni Garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I've occasionally seen a list with two Maze of Ith. In some metagames that's probably correct. Some have also suggested to me that I add a third Vesuva, but I just worry it'll increase the odds of having a dead one in my opening hand. It's a great card... but not if it's your only land for turn one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
This idea has weighed heavily on me following the recent ugliness.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube
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Originally Posted by MechTactical
EE for 3 or for 0 chalice clean the way for crop rotation best card agains non-blue midrange aggro decks keep ramp and don't let them chance to you slow down with your mana i play fourth crop in side for sure and then you can try Nevinyrral´s Disk( why to be afraid because of he entrers the battlefield tapped anyway against fast decks you don't have 8,9 mana to smash table with o stone or with perilous vault in third or fourth turn without locuses but with ND you spend only 5 m. then you can try submerge,sower of temtation(just knight of reliquary question) . cau
This seems like an awesome card to me at least trying it out in the SB. It's also a 'potential' way to recover from sweepers: Boom/Bust, Armageddon, From the Ashes and Cataclysm. It also makes me wonder if there's a G/B build where we can dump lands into the graveyard and then bring them all back with this card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mockingbird
Don't give the Magic Illuminati any ideas. There's been buyouts of multiple reserve list cards this week...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube
Foil Crop Rotation (for those who care about shiny things) apparently just spiked...Quote:
Originally Posted by maCHOOga
I wonder if a Candelabra buyout is on the horizon. I really hope it's too underplayed to be a good target as I'd love to get a second one. At the same time, if these buyouts keep happening, the format's just gonna die off anyway.
Oh I know... do you know what's more annoying than have 0 foil crop rotations, having 3 and playing 4! #foilworldproblemsQuote:
Originally Posted by cwcomposer
Allegedly Martin Shkreli (the man caught frauding the stock market and more infamously openly inflating drug prices with the justification being profit) went to reddit this weekend and made inquiries about getting involved with Magic: the Gathering secondary market.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwcomposer
Edit: it's real http://kotaku.com/infamous-price-gou...t-r-1783278015