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i think tormod's crypt is a vastly superior card against BR reanimator. if they have the nuts (multiple reanimation spells AND multiple reanimation targets) it's almost always a time walk in the early turns and usually a lot better. the exception is when they have a lot of mana acceleration (e.g. land, rit, entomb, reanimate, entomb, petal, reanimate).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerotan1989
neither card addresses the issue when they have the t1 on the play.
Wished for a By Force tonight. It was better than Meltdown, Pulverize, or Shattering Spree would have been.
You're stuck with Faerie Macabre if you want to have outs to this, I think.Quote:
neither card addresses the issue when they have the t1 on the play.
Yeah I'm also packing graveyard hate for Reanimator obviously, I just meant that Silence actually has some game against them and other combo decks, even though it's not really for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by haxorz
Has anyone had any recent success with maindeck EtW post top ban?
Seconding this. Not a great solution anyway because "Ritual into Thoughtseize into kill us" is still a play they can make, but it's often better than Surgical and it doesn't get Chancellored. Not sure how much other utility the card has; I've not had a lot of time to test lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
The_ob3lisk, I tried a couple of things using Empty the Warrens recently, but I didn't really like either one. The first thing I tried was doing some extensive sideboarding and ending up with two Empties and two Chrome Moxes for game 2. Didn't feel appreciably faster or more consistent than using just one of each. I also tried the maindeck Empty and Petition instead of Ad Nauseam that's been discussed on the Facebook thread. It felt like a much better setup than my idle tinkerings, but I still think I prefer having Ad Nauseam in the maindeck.
All,
Placed 3rd today at the tournament with a 60+ person turnout.
Went undefeated + ID into the top 8.
Was on stream twice (round 1 + semi final) , pretty sure punted game 3 in the semi. :laugh:
Report will be up tomorrow afternoon.
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I've asked this in the past, but it seems that the lists are changing with the drop of miracles.
Can somebody point me in the direction of a good 75 to start out with? (I played the deck for a few months and put it down.. but now want to give it a try again).
I'm currently using Surfin's double petition list, which feels pretty sweet.
I'm still searching as well and trying out a few tweaks but mostly just trying to gain more play experience with AdN, with which I have very little. I see most choices related to: continuing with the G splash for X AD and 0-2 Xantid or going grixis; EtW or AdN MD, 15 Lands or 14 plus 0-1 Mox; DP or GT, and your discard configuration and amount (the wish board seems like a different thread).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaytron
Right now, I'm playing G for AD, AdN MD, GT, 15 Lands, and back and forth between 6-7 discard. I miss EtW main and Thoughtseize though so I'm possibly going to change this. I also prefer 2 Tendrils MD so I might go back to this.
Take a list with good results (Togores, Robert, Martin Vonasek/42AD, mine...) and play it during weeks and months until you understand why every card is in its place. Once you reach this point you will find your own style and will be able to make the changes that you consider necessary. I highly recommend you my list, but ANT is very complex and you can see good players with different lists (2 DP, 2 PiF, Grim Tutor, EtW +2 Tendrils...) being completely sure that their's is the best. And probably they all say the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaytron
Gaming for Gains 4
The Grid , Manchester CT
ANT:
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Rain of Filth
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
1 Dark Petition
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Preordain
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Duress
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Ponder
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion’s Eye Diamond
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
2 Underground Sea
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
SB:
1 Xantid Swarm
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
2 Flusterstorm
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Fatal Push
1 Massacre
1 Empty the Warrens
Notes:
https://www.twitch.tv/samball49
Rain of Filth was subpar all day, might change out for 3rd preordain.
On stream round 1 + semi finals
Matches (with highlights)
Round 1: Enchantress 2-0
Round 2: Food Chain 2-0
Game two I knew what was in my opponent’s hand from a previous gitaxian probe (vclique, fluster). On my upkeep Clique > takes my infernal tutor, I draw brainstorm. Brainstorm > into another infernal tutor + EtW. Ponder > shuffle> draw DR. DR > CB > Crack Petal for red (already in play) > EtW > he flusterstorms. LED > Infernal > Tendrils. His spells made lethal, exact mana needed, no floating.
Round 3: Zoo/Burn hybrid w/ Eidolon + Teag 2-1
Round 4: Nic Fit 2-0
Round 5 ID
Round 6 ID
Top 8:
Round 1 U/R Burn 2-0
Game 1 player casts PoP, I fetch and fail to find to leave me at 1 life (two basics already in play) Player has 1 card left in hand and tapped out. Brainstorm on my main phase finds the nuts > PiF loop ftw.
Round 2 Food Chain 1-2 (same opponent from earlier in the day)
Starts @ 5.12.30 on Twitch
Game 3 I keep a slow hand with 1 duress, 2 CT, PiF, DR, Usea, Fetch. I was attempting to play for the long game and tried draining his resources down. At some point I probe his hand to see a Faerie Macabre I cannot answer, I attempt to draw out the Macabre by casting CR with exactly 7 cards in the graveyard, he bites. I think the commentators have the life totals wrong as I have 15 life for my opponent at the time of losing. Basically it boils down to this > My opponent has lethal on board next turn. 4 cards in my hand (tendrils, CR, PiF, CT) 3 lands in play (Usea,Badlands,Trop). Did not see this line of play > CB > 5 mana > Badlands > Cast PiF > 2 Mana Floating > CB > CB> 8 Floating> Duress, CT, CT, Tendrils.
3rd place with 61 person turnout.
Is there any reason that the people who want a Xantid effect that don't want to play green can't play Hope of Ghirapur?
Is there some anti synergy I'm missing? I haven't seen the card played yet.
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The problem with HoG is that you have to do damage to the player. This is bad when you face delvers, vendilions, griselbrands... And you can use its ability only one time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manroe
For what it's worth, you can still play Defense Grid then. I didn't get to try it myself yet, but I've been told it's decent.
Defense grid is only good if you play counters for yourself.
Beucause they can still have 1 counter there for you final bussiness.
Or you play in a way that does not need to go all-in on one card. Not that I'm saying that Grid's effect is as good as Swarm's, it clearly isn't, but it's still a strong effect. And keeping up 3-4 is still a lot. Especially when they only keep up 3 mana, you can just Therapy for Force and you're good.
But if they have 4 mana they can also have fluster. And you might have 1 duress forQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Alexander
His 2 forces. Where it might be good is vs snapcaster. But not so vs hardcounters.
What's the current thinking regarding the proper number of discards in the 75? Now that the format's shaken out a bit, I'm curious as to whether anyone else is thinking of bringing a fourth Therapy into the sideboard.
Main motivation I had for thinking that would be good is precisely the multi-Fluster/Force question. I've never favored running Xantid Swarm, though, so maybe it depends on the rest of our board. Worth pointing out that Therapy goes really well with Surgical Extraction.
7th Discard spell is always a very solid addition in the 75 imo. great vs any kind of Combo (obvious, duh^^) and also in MU where the opponent overloads on counters. RUG Delver for example. (if this is still relevant for you)
I see the double Petition list is really REALLY popular on MODO. I always wonder why. Having more than 4 Tutor is obviously great but the cost of 5 Mana upfront is always kinda iffy. I wonder how you guys actually use it to good effect? For me it tends to be only good vs uninteractive decks like DnT or Maverick stuff... Against interactive decks the upfront cost of 5 is always a huge problem. Any inside on this and why not run 2 PiF + 1 DP?
Thanks for the response!Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterheart
I ran double-Petition for a long time, and I still think it's absolutely real. A second Past in Flames is excellent for breaking countermagic, though, and—maybe because I'm an amateur—I've come to think it's essential if you're going to be facing Forces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterheart
One thing I would caution against is running double-PiF, singleton Petition, and singleton Ad Nauseam. I think that setup skewered me at Worcester last year, when (IIRC) I died to my own Ad Nauseas three times in as many rounds and from reasonable initial life totals. I don't know exactly why this was; I'd thought the lower cmc of a second Past in Flames would make it a better double than PiF with Ad Nauseam, though I think the lack of synergy between multiple Past in Flames probably had a lot to do with it. Until that streak, I'd found it to be the most consistent setup I'd tried (granted, with occasional bad Ad Nauseas). But numbers don't lie, and the more time I spent with the setup, the more I noticed it to be a problem.
I guess I'd say that if you want double-Past in Flames and any number of Petitions, you'd need to cut Ad Nauseam from the main. That setup gave me the worst Ad Nauseas out of anything I've tested, though I should point out I haven't tested and don't intend to test Grim Tutor.
Anybody have much data on a setup with 2x Past in Flames, singletons Petition and Empty?
@Surfinbird
I started out playing Togores list and switched to 14 lands, 2 chrome mox, 2 tendrils, 2 preordain list from Scherer for a while and now I'm on your list. I like Togores list but I felt like I was losing too much for being a little slow and wasn't seeing enough miracles (where imo it really shines) in the tournaments I got to in the US. I liked scherers list for the really good ad nauseam and the little boost and speed, but now the second tendrils isn't needed for miracles and ad nauseam seems to be weaker since the meta is getting more aggressive. So far with my testing, I have been really happy with the list and it seems to really well tuned good job and thank you for the hard work. I have some questions for you though and anyone can chime in as well to start a discussion.
With your list do you tend to go all the way with ad nauseam or is there a stopping point you have? Obviously it varies a lot but just in general
Do you think the 3 by force and 3 dread of night are necessary to really leverage the relevant matchups? Maybe 2 dread of night would be enough, but I can see that hitting the second would be really important to kill prelate. Having 3 by force are you just trying to increase your chances to see one or do you think it is important to see more than 1? My guess would be that with 3 the first one you can use little more liberally to start to let you to cantrip instead of holding it until they play 2 or more prison pieces.
What do you think about Leovold decks? I see that you don't have an answer to leovold outside of echoing truth maybe for one cantrip turn or to go off right after the opponents turn. Do you think this is enough? Lately I have been considering and testing a fatal push in the side.
Did you consider adding flusterstorm or fatal push to the sideboard or another discard spell? I have been thinking about removing 1 echoing truth as its been average to below average when I have seen it against D&T, maverick, eldrazi, & other decks with artifact hate. We still need 1 for a catch all especially against leyline.
I'm heading to SCG Louisville Open this weekend and I was wondering if you would change anything in your list before going to an open or just keep it the same?
Also what does everyone think about siding in surgicals against heavy counter decks like deathblade and grixis delver, especially those with cabal therapy and/or snaps? I have been doing that for a while and been happy with it as another way to see if I can get through and possibly remove a troublesome card but I am still not sure it is better than having an extra dark petition and preordain