Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?

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Originally Posted by Feaor

Uh what? Can you actually read? Look in the Maindeck. I'll concede that its probably Sylvan Library but they haven't changed it, of all the typos they could have its weird because its obviously really bad but because of TNN there is a very slight chance it might be real.

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There is no chance, evidence, it's a bad card and you should feel even worse for thinking it's an actual part of any list in Legacy.

This is how ridiculous the arguments have become, people arguing Sylvan Basilisk is in a Legacy deck because TNN is that format warping.

I went and watched some of the Vegas Legacy top 8 coverage and I'm actually more on the fence than I was before, the Jund player in the finals punted the second game by not main phasing his charm so it couldn't be countered and had to mull to 5 the third game, TNN wasn't actually completely unbeatable as soon as it came down. That being said I think its really bad in the long run for Blue to have the best card selection (Brainstorm, Ponder), the best disruption (Daze, FoW, Spell Pierce, etc.) and the best creatures for attacking and blocking (Delver, TNN), all blue needs is Lightning Bolt and there would be literally no reason not to play blue.

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

It's called Unnatural Selection and it can't target True-Name Nemesis

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FTFY.
Sometimes I'm honestly not sure whether you are trolling. Also, "Legend" isn't a creature type anymore.

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Originally Posted by HSCK

This is how ridiculous the arguments have become, people arguing Sylvan Basilisk is in a Legacy deck because TNN is that format warping.

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Pretty sure that all the TNN-supporters have been using "but there are answers to it!" argument this whole time. In fact, didn't I see Magnetic Mountain, Crackdown and Wing Shards being championed as possible TNN answers? The TNN-supporters can't have it both ways; terrible answers can be used to bolster the "TNN has answers!" stance, but can't be used to bolster the "WTF, look what ppl have to run to fight TNN" stance?

Also, that is 99.9% a typo. But I do find it funny that terrible answers can be only used to support the "TNN has answers!" crowd, but if they're used elsewhere, then it's "rediculous".

Metagame deck of the first quarter of 2014:

Mr. Toilet Will Have His Revenge on PT Seattle

GUYS

4 Sidewinder Sliver
4 Knight of the Holy Nimbus
4 Knight of Valor
3 Zhalfirin Crusader
3 Cavalry Master


TECH

2 Crackdown
2 Invasion Plans
2 Sunforger


SORCERIES

4 Enlightened Tutor
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Helix
4 Skullcrack


COMMANDER (MAINDECK)

1 Telim'Tor


LAND SPELLS
4 Sacred Foundry
1 Plateau
4 Arid Mesa
3 Clifftop Retreat

the right number of Plains and Mountains

The guy who piloted that Jund deck is a local. According to his Facebook comments, the Basilisk is not a typo. His team chose that creature because it can't die to Bolt or Abrupt Decay and it can profitably attack into a TNN.

That still doesn't make it awesome and he didn't mention if it actually did anything in his Top 8 run.

But it wasn't a typo as far as I know. I will update you guys if it turns out I'm getting next-level trolled via sarcastic Facebook comments.

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Originally Posted by Arsenal

Pretty sure that all the TNN-supporters have been using "but there are answers to it!" argument this whole time. In fact, didn't I see Magnetic Mountain, Crackdown and Wing Shards being championed as possible TNN answers? The TNN-supporters can't have it both ways; terrible answers can be used to bolster the "TNN has answers!" stance, but can't be used to bolster the "WTF, look what ppl have to run to fight TNN" stance?

Also, that is 99.9% a typo. But I do find it funny that terrible answers can be only used to support the "TNN has answers!" crowd, but if they're used elsewhere, then it's "rediculous".

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Pretty sure those are all sarcastic vs. the anti-crowd reaching for data and making these arguments.

You've also repeatedly made every pieces of data "TNN or anti-TNN" without respect to what they did in the meta before like Elves, D&T, and Combo. They don't get played solely on how they interact with TNN, just that the pilots know TNN is in the meta, just like any other good card. That's not bannable warping, that's just a new card that has Legacy chops. Unless you want to freeze the whole format it's going to continually happen.

Ill just play Llawan SB in Elves.

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Originally Posted by HSCK

Pretty sure those are all sarcastic vs. the anti-crowd reaching for data and making these arguments.

You've also repeatedly made every pieces of data "TNN or anti-TNN" without respect to what they did in the meta before like Elves, D&T, and Combo. They don't get played solely on how they interact with TNN, just that the pilots know TNN is in the meta, just like any other good card. That's not bannable warping, that's just a new card that has Legacy chops. Unless you want to freeze the whole format it's going to continually happen.

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What are you talking about? I've said countless times in this thread that there are some decks that simply don't care about TNN existing. In fact, I imagine combo is probably happiest of all that people are maindecking legit anti-TNN tech; just more cards that combo doesn't have to think about game 1.

EDIT: lol danyul, thanks for the information. If that is 100% legit, then it'll be funny to see how quickly the "it's rediculous!" crowd changes their tune to "see! i told you there were TNN answers and that the format will adapt!"

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Originally Posted by Julian23

FTFY.
Sometimes I'm honestly not sure whether you are trolling. Also, "Legend" isn't a creature type anymore.

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Thank you cpt. Obvious.

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Originally Posted by Arsenal

What are you talking about? I've said countless times in this thread that there are some decks that simply don't care about TNN existing. In fact, I imagine combo is probably happiest of all that people are maindecking legit anti-TNN tech; just more cards that combo doesn't have to think about game 1.

EDIT: lol danyul, thanks for the information. If that is 100% legit, then it'll be funny to see how quickly the "it's rediculous!" crowd changes their tune to "see! i told you there were TNN answers and that the format will adapt!"

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Only time can tell. I hope it's legit only because it is so hilariously bad. But in a cute way.

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Originally Posted by TsumiBand

Metagame deck of the first quarter of 2014:

Mr. Toilet Will Have His Revenge on PT Seattle

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I just built it.


Aderne taps Knight of the Holy Nimbus
Aderne taps Knight of the Holy Nimbus
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
<Aderne> Ok
7even taps Mother of Runes
<Aderne> flanking resolves?
<7even> ähm
<7even> donno
<Aderne> It's not a question
<7even> ok screw u
<System> Player Lost

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Originally Posted by danyul

Only time can tell. I hope it's legit only because it is so hilariously bad. But in a cute way.

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If it's legit, the reasoning behind it is fairly sound. Not dying to Deathblade's Abrupt Decay and Patriot's Lightning Bolt, while forcing through damage through the TNN wall seems decent-ish. However, probably not for 5 mana and when you only get 2 points across, but eat at least 3 on the backswing. Can you get more information from the Jund player as to how relevant/good/bad it was throughout his tourney?

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Originally Posted by Arsenal

If it's legit, the reasoning behind it is fairly sound. Not dying to Deathblade's Abrupt Decay and Patriot's Lightning Bolt, while forcing through damage through the TNN wall seems decent-ish. However, probably not for 5 mana and when you only get 2 points across, but eat at least 3 on the backswing. Can you get more information from the Jund player as to how relevant/good/bad it was throughout his tourney?

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I'll see what I can dig up.

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Originally Posted by HSCK

There is no chance, evidence, it's a bad card and you should feel even worse for thinking it's an actual part of any list in Legacy.

This is how ridiculous the arguments have become, people arguing Sylvan Basilisk is in a Legacy deck because TNN is that format warping.

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Originally Posted by danyul

The guy who piloted that Jund deck is a local. According to his Facebook comments, the Basilisk is not a typo.

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Probably the best posts in here.

Nice sig. Frankly as the debate went longer, some arguments to paint TNN as a normal card started pushing the boundaries of absurdity.

I feel somewhat vindicated for having brought it up, people dismissed me, and then now it might actually be true. I do agree it is a little cute but I don't think its the absolute worst, Jund plays quite a few lands and has DRS as a dork so its actually castable. But I don't think I'd play it to fight TNN, I'd rather main deck something like Golgari Charm or Toxic Deluge as both of those cards are a little more reasonable against the field.

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

I just built it.


Aderne taps Knight of the Holy Nimbus
Aderne taps Knight of the Holy Nimbus
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
<Aderne> Ok
7even taps Mother of Runes
<Aderne> flanking resolves?
<7even> ähm
<7even> donno
<Aderne> It's not a question
<7even> ok screw u
<System> Player Lost

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OH MY GOD.

I was just gunning for "budget bin anti-TNN overkill". That's really funny though.

Unironically, Mother of Runes should probably be somewhere in that pile of mine, but I forgot about it because flanking apparently inspires a lot more confusion than originally intended.

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Originally Posted by danyul

The guy who piloted that Jund deck is a local. According to his Facebook comments, the Basilisk is not a typo. His team chose that creature because it can't die to Bolt or Abrupt Decay and it can profitably attack into a TNN.

That still doesn't make it awesome and he didn't mention if it actually did anything in his Top 8 run.

But it wasn't a typo as far as I know. I will update you guys if it turns out I'm getting next-level trolled via sarcastic Facebook comments.

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http://davidberkowitz.typepad.com/.a...0bc8970b-800wi

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Originally Posted by TsumiBand

OH MY GOD.

I was just gunning for "budget bin anti-TNN overkill". That's really funny though.

Unironically, Mother of Runes should probably be somewhere in that pile of mine, but I forgot about it because flanking apparently inspires a lot more confusion than originally intended.

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Omg I want to play this deck at my local so bad. All flanking dudes maindeck and like 15 hate bears for a sideboard.