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I won the 2017 Source Tournament with ANT.
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...=1#post1015625
Mostly easy MUs to be honest and it was really small. Some interesting games and cool opponents though. I played Sloshstorm pre top ban which was fun because we continued the top 4 after the banning and still stuck with the old lists. Of note is no Miracles but 3 decks out of 8 included at least 1 SDT. I think ANT won the tournament last year too. (I also had a pretty adventurous SB:really:)
Hey all, been following this thread for a long time but hadn't had a chance to reply yet. Two days ago I won an MKM Trial by going undefeated with ANT. List was pretty stock (IIRC almost the same as Togores') :
4x Brainstorm
4x Ponder
4x Gitaxian Probe
1x Preordain
4x Dark Ritual
4x Cabal Ritual
1x Rain of Filth
4x Lotus Petal
4x Lion's Eye Diamond
4x Infernal Tutor
1x Dark Petition
1x Ad Nauseam
1x Past in Flames
1x Empty the Warrens
1x Tendrils of Agony
3x Duress
3x Cabal Therapy
4x Polluted Delta
2x Bloodstained Mire
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Scalding Tarn
2x Underground Sea
1x Volcanic Island
1x Badlands
1x Tropical Island
1x Swamp
1x Bayou
With Sideboard:
2x Abrupt Decay
2x Chain of Vapor
2x Sudden Shock
2x Flusterstorm
2x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Xantid Swarm
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Ancient Grudge
1x Past in Flames
Initial thoughts after the tournament were pretty much what was I worrying about:
-Maindeck Empty which replaced PiF just does not do the job. After a short talk with Rodrigo on his stream, during the day after the Trial took place, I was certain that we need either a second PiF of 7th discard spell - and I am leaning towards the PiF, since I feel that there are more situations when drawing it naturally is better than drawing another Therapy/Duress. Empty only won me one game, but my notes state that it was a post-board game, so it would have been sided in anyway.
-Ad Nauseam failed me once, but I cannot omit the fact that it was cast on turn one by using double Lotus Petal. I was forced to do so, since my opponent who was on lands had an amazing T1, which would lead to my-EOF Marit hitting the board and killing me the following turn. Happens sometimes. The other time I cast it I wasn't able to combo off immediately, but won the game on the following turn.
-Majority of my wins were achieved via PiF loops. Nothing unexpected, but it's worth mentioning that I would've lost 2 games if my drawn Dark Petition was any other card. Being able to just tutor LED without going Hellbent in order to have access to red mana feels really strong imo.
-Boarding in Sudden Shocks against 4c Delver and him seeing that I have one made him use his Deathrite on his turn. It made a huge difference in the game since I could've went for PiF loop without being threatened by Shaman. The other time the Shock killed his clock (Delver) and enabled me to sculpt the perfect hand and win.
-Regarding manabase: There was only one time I regreted Tropical not being Bayou, but I don't think it's enough to even consider switching. I'd much rather see Tropical Island over Bayou in the majority of my opening hands due to it producing blue mana.
Worth mentioning is that my mulligan rate was extremely low. I mulliganed three times during the entire event. List felt incredibly consistant and reliable. The only change I'm gonna make is switching the sideboard PiF with maindeck Empty. Lastly, talking about sideboard: I did not face any matchup where any of the: Flusterstorm, 2nd Tendrils and Extraction were being sided in. Even though, I don't think I am considering changing those slots. Event was not big enough to make these kind of decisions based on it.
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Nice article. I agree, trop is not really a stretch on the mana base and if you want an effect like xantid or decay, just run green.
Congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fureeish
Obv mulligans hurt a lot, the deck does not mull a lot but it hurts a lot when it does. My win rate goes up a lot the days I dont mull.
Cool to see that my testing later reflexts as the "right" one. That means that when you get this kind of proof your good.
Martin Nielsen just rocked this weeks legacy league on MTGO with ANT. Abrupt Decay is still hot in the game although Counterbalance and Miracles are gone.
Reasons to play green maindeck on: http://snapcardster.com/blog/the-gra...legacy-league/
Watch full 5:0 League on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcjgXaEuXwg
Nice league and good to have some more content from you. Curious why g2 Vs. DnT you tried to combo on t2. I would have not considered going ftw even if things were somewhat dire. You had so few potential problems with waiting another turn and many cards that drawing off the Probe would have made your Massacre essentially wasted. I'm sincerely curious if you think you made the right play in hindsight.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevilshute
Reasons for not waiting are two-fold. First I think the hand is so gassy that I was feeling risk-willing. I had 7 rituals, 4 LEDs and 1 petal that win us the game if we draw them off the probe. Any cantrip is also very promising. Secondly I was worried about a Prelate coming down next turn on 4. I'm not sure exactly how worried I really needed to have been and I honestly am not sure if I would make the same play again. It's close. I might actually be more inclined to wait now that I've been watching it againQuote:
Originally Posted by ScottW
Edit: thinking about it some more, the fact that I was 1-0 up against a favorable matchup and would at worst be on the play in the deciding game three played a part in my decision making too making me a bit more risk willing and aggressive. Now whether that is advisable... well :)
Thanks for the reply. FYI, definitely not a critique but rather a curiosity and possibly feeling like I missed something. You mentioned the Prelate and I just felt it was premature. However, I often have put myself in situations where I have waited too long to act and have limited myself on resources instead of expanded my resources - mostly on life via GT, Probes or discard.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevilshute
Edit: Also, I guess a few DnT lists have CotV in the SB. Not on my radar though. I'll have to have it played against me before I start boarding differently.
Hey thoughts grim tutor? Worth picking up?
There already was a discussion regarding Grim Tutor. It's just performing worse than Dark Petition.
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by kellysandall
Play with it on Cockatrice for a bit or borrow one. I always like it as tutor #5. It has a lot of versatility and is a card that gets better the more you play it. Sometimes it can feel bad when the life loss is too much or not enough mana but broadly it is positive. They are more affordable now as well.
Definitely test it out. It was a bit of a bust for me, bit that's because of the style of play I engage in. I just fire off spells instintively. With experience, this is sound: though not as reliable as approaching the matchup like those old Carsten Kotter articles where everything is laid out most precisely. Rather, it's like in chess, where you might take the simple existence of an open h file, occupation of e5 by a pawn, and the black queen's presence of the other side of the board as sufficient cause to sacrifice a bishop on g7 even without calculating all the lines.
You can do this well with Dark Petition because its effective mans cost (2) is the same as Infernal Tutor. Practice with IT serves your instincts just as well as DP. There's no life lost on either spell.
With Grim Tutor, we introduce not only a hideously white bordered card with a different font, we introduce a card that has to be painstakingly accounted for when executing the kill. I've gotten myself into numerous absurd positions where a 2 mana tutor that didn't hurt me would have won, but because I was on Grim Tutor at the time, I couldn't win. Like having storm count 9, resolved Past In Flames, Grim Tutor the only tutor in the graveyard and 3 life remaining.
I appreciate the Grim ability to get setup cards in a way that Infernal will never do, but don't just slide it into the deck and expect it to perform better immediately. Grim will actually make it worse until you get used to using it.
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Current List
Lands (15)
4x polluted delta
4x scalding tarn
2x underground sea
2x volcanic island
1x badlands
1x island
1x swamp
Cantrips/filtering (12)
4x gitaxian probe
4x brainstorm
4x ponder
Interaction (6)
3x cabal therapy
3x duress
Fast Mana (17)
4x lotus petal
4x lion's eye diamond
4x dark ritual
4x cabal ritual
1x rain of filth
Tutors (6)
4x infernal tutor
2x burning wish
Business (4)
1x past in flames
1x ad nauseam
1x empty the warrens
1x tendrils of agony
Sideboard
2x fatal push
1x chain of vapor
1x echoing truth
2x hurkyl's recal
2-3x chrome mox
0-1x defense grid
1x cabal therapy
1x by force
1x massacre
1x empty the warrens
1x tendrils of agony
1x dark petition
not entirely true, depends what you want to do with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Fureeish
Beer coaster:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
Anyone with a head for math kept a record of results comparing Petition and Grim? I'd be interested to see how often Grim gets there when it powers a quick Empty, sets up a turn, or digs for answers. Those all sound fine, but I keep wondering whether the edge it gives us in those situations outweighs how bad Grim is with Past in Flames and Ad Nauseam—also, how often the Grim does better than some other card would do.
Still haven't been tempted to try Grim, and I still don't like most of the arguments for it. But it does get us a fast Empty better than Petition does, so that's worth considering.
Hey stormtroopers,
I'm playing ANT now for quite some time now and I'm feelling great about the deck. Although bringing in solid results on Mtgo and paper I have the feeling my sideboarding isn't 100% on point.
Is there a SB guide available somewhere?
Currently I'm playing this list with a flexslot in the SB changing depending on location/paper/modo:
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Duress
3 Cabal Theerapy
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Preordain
4 Infernal Tutor
2 Dark Petition
1 Past in Flames
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
2 Island
1 Swamp
SB
2 echoing Truth
2 hurkyl's recall
2 tormod's crypt
1 surgical extraction
2 rending volley
1 pyroclasm
1 flusterstorm
2 defense grid
1 empty the warrens
I'm especially interested in which MU you really want ETW and what has to to go make room for it.
Thanks in advance =)
I am sure you can establish some sort of %-analysis but for me it comes down to play style and the feeling for the deck. Especially, in such a case where there is no clear answer one cannot say that Grim is bad/worse than Petition or the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Deuce
only a direct comparison in former 2 DP Sherer list goldfish, no Etw involved, roughly 32% was DP better, 15% GT, it did not matter otherwise, 50% of scenarios involved extra tutors, 52%pifkill 34%adn (56%direct win rate) 8% chain 6%T5+, 160goldfishesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Deuce