Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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Admiral_Arzar
Omg I want to play this deck at my local so bad. All flanking dudes maindeck and like 15 hate bears for a sideboard.
Feel free to lift the decklist as you see fit. It's time for Holy Tommy Gun to return and take its place in the Circle of Life.
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True-Name Nemesis has been destroying what was previously a fun, interactive, enjoyable, challenging, refreshing, bold, dynamic, crisp, endearing, touching, high-powered format.
It connects without fail, blocks 101% of the creatures in the game, and cannot be targeted by any removal spell. It chortles in the face of Starstorm, Earthquake, Plague Spitter, and other similar effects. This "just-a-beater" 3/1 for 1UU has removed more interaction from the game of Magic than Mike Long.
This deck is an attempt to rectify that situation.
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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Feaor
I feel somewhat vindicated for having brought it up, people dismissed me, and then now it might actually be true. I do agree it is a little cute but I don't think its the absolute worst, Jund plays quite a few lands and has DRS as a dork so its actually castable. But I don't think I'd play it to fight TNN, I'd rather main deck something like Golgari Charm or Toxic Deluge as both of those cards are a little more reasonable against the field.
It certainly has a unique take on Deathtouch. However if you want a creature that is immune to Bolt/AD and can attack past TNN I would have thought Tombstalker would fit the bill and generally be cheaper to cast. A 5/5 flyer can actualy block Delver and race TNN.
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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TsumiBand
OH MY GOD.
I was just gunning for "budget bin anti-TNN overkill". That's really funny though.
Unironically, Mother of Runes should probably be somewhere in that pile of mine, but I forgot about it because flanking apparently inspires a lot more confusion than originally intended.
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Admiral_Arzar
Omg I want to play this deck at my local so bad. All flanking dudes maindeck and like 15 hate bears for a sideboard.
Several cards were quite underwhelming, though, esp. the enchantments. Switch them for Bolts.
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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Bed Decks Palyer
Several cards were quite underwhelming, though, esp. the enchantments. Switch them for Bolts.
In fairness, I was trolling in lieu of comments people were making about Sylvan Basilisk and previous comments about weird suggestions like Flanking and Crackdown.
I am sad to hear that Invasion Plans + Flanking Flanking isn't a meta foil, though.
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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danyul
The guy who piloted that Jund deck is a local. According to his Facebook comments, the Basilisk is not a typo. His team chose that creature because it can't die to Bolt or Abrupt Decay and it can profitably attack into a TNN.
That still doesn't make it awesome and he didn't mention if it actually did anything in his Top 8 run.
But it wasn't a typo as far as I know. I will update you guys if it turns out I'm getting next-level trolled via sarcastic Facebook comments.
*BREAKING NEWS*
A Next-Level Trolling Incident occurred this morning on the corner of The Internets and Sarcastic Facebook Comment. A group of unsuspecting bystanders watched, horrified, as a Sylvan Library transformed into a Sylvan Basilisk. And after some confusion among all present, transformed back into a Sylvan Library! Authorities are standing by as the group of citizens reassesses their belief systems. The National Guard has been notified and the CIA's top psychologists are on the scene. More to come at 11.
Translation: It was a Sylvan Library. I hate everybody on Facebook. But this was pretty funny. GG.
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danyul
*BREAKING NEWS*
A Next-Level Trolling Incident occurred this morning on the corner of The Internets and Sarcastic Facebook Comment. A group of unsuspecting bystanders watched, horrified, as a Sylvan Library transformed into a Sylvan Basilisk. And after some confusion among all present, transformed back into a Sylvan Library! Authorities are standing by as the group of citizens reassesses their belief systems. The National Guard has been notified and the CIA's top psychologists are on the scene. More to come at 11.
Translation: It was a Sylvan Library. I hate everybody on Facebook. But this was pretty funny. GG.
Flipping more times than a Huntmaster of the Fells.
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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danyul
*BREAKING NEWS*
A Next-Level Trolling Incident occurred this morning on the corner of The Internets and Sarcastic Facebook Comment. A group of unsuspecting bystanders watched, horrified, as a Sylvan Library transformed into a Sylvan Basilisk. And after some confusion among all present, transformed back into a Sylvan Library! Authorities are standing by as the group of citizens reassesses their belief systems. The National Guard has been notified and the CIA's top psychologists are on the scene. More to come at 11.
Translation: It was a Sylvan Library. I hate everybody on Facebook. But this was pretty funny. GG.
Pretty much expected as much, its kinda amusing that that the top hit for Sylvan just so happens to have extremely niche usage against TNN that it wasn't completely implausible, just extremely unlikely.
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lordofthepit
Flipping more times than a Huntmaster of the Fells.
Daggers dude.
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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danyul
*BREAKING NEWS*
A Next-Level Trolling Incident occurred this morning on the corner of The Internets and Sarcastic Facebook Comment. A group of unsuspecting bystanders watched, horrified, as a Sylvan Library transformed into a Sylvan Basilisk. And after some confusion among all present, transformed back into a Sylvan Library! Authorities are standing by as the group of citizens reassesses their belief systems. The National Guard has been notified and the CIA's top psychologists are on the scene. More to come at 11.
Translation: It was a Sylvan Library. I hate everybody on Facebook. But this was pretty funny. GG.
Can you believe someone actually did that? Went on the Internet and told lies? ;)
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lyracian
It certainly has a unique take on Deathtouch. However if you want a creature that is immune to Bolt/AD and can attack past TNN I would have thought Tombstalker would fit the bill and generally be cheaper to cast. A 5/5 flyer can actualy block Delver and race TNN.
This sounds great until you flip it off Dark Confidant and die.
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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Admiral_Arzar
Omg I want to play this deck at my local so bad. All flanking dudes maindeck and like 15 hate bears for a sideboard.
To be fair, Sidewinder Sliver would probably work better in Slivers - but then, you could just run more flyer Slivers and completely ignore TNN.
Why not run Slivers instead? Crystalline Sliver laughs at any spot removal (or Jitte counters trying to -1/-1, for the matter), flyers grant a decent clock, stop Delver and ignore TNN as a blocker while Harmonic Sliver shits all over SFM and equipment shenanigans.
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ESG
This sounds great until you flip it off Dark Confidant and die.
I mean Team America/BUG Delver plays both, although its a lot better set up to deal with this and cast Stalker easier since it has cantrips like Brainstorm and Ponder. Stalker is certainly a way to go over the top of TNN but I don't think its that great in Jund since you don't have cantrips to fuel an early stalker like Delver.
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mini1337s
Can you believe someone actually did that? Went on the Internet and told lies? ;)
The Internet is a horrible place! Full of lies and lying liars who tell them!
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OK I figured it out. Since there is no logical reason to ban TNN, some of you guys asking for it must be racist against merfolk. You know them merfolk, coming here and wrecking the format and all. They're prolly responsible for the new legend rule too. Damn blue skinned sea monkeys.
amiright?
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
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Feaor
I mean Team America/BUG Delver plays both, although its a lot better set up to deal with this and cast Stalker easier since it has cantrips like Brainstorm and Ponder. Stalker is certainly a way to go over the top of TNN but I don't think its that great in Jund since you don't have cantrips to fuel an early stalker like Delver.
I don't think I've seen a Team America deck play Dark Confidant in years. I do think Eva Green plays this consistently (except it's not a deck anymore), and I've seen phazonmutant run both in Grixis and always get away with it.
Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?
As of 2:48pm Central on 12-16-13, these are the top 10 decks in Legacy (http://www.tcdecks.net/tierdecks.php...&format=Legacy)
1.) RUG Delver
2.) Shardless BUG
3.) Deathblade
4.) Sneak and Show
5.) Jund
6.) ANT
7.) Death & Taxes
8.) Elves
9.) Patriot
10.) OmniTell
There are 4 combo decks (Sneak and Show, ANT, Elves and OmniTell) that do not care about TNN at all. These decks will do it's thing no matter what, so for the discussion, it really narrows down to the remaining 6 non-combo decks.
RUG Delver, Deathblade, Patriot all run TNN in their 75. So that leaves 3 decks left that aren't combo and don't run TNN themselves. Of the 3, 2 of them (Jund and Shardless BUG) are in colors that have a multitude of the exact answers needed to combat TNN. So there's exactly 1 deck (Death and Taxes) in the top 10 that isn't combo, doesn't run TNN and isn't in a natural color that gives them many feasible answers.
I'm not quite sure what people are looking at, but the data suggests that you either play a deck that doesn't care about TNN at all (combo, Miracles too), play with TNN (Delver decks, Blade decks or some hybrid of the two) or play a deck that can easily and effective answer TNN (most times it'll be BGx decks).
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Arsenal
As of 2:48pm Central on 12-16-13, these are the top 10 decks in Legacy (
http://www.tcdecks.net/tierdecks.php...&format=Legacy)
1.) RUG Delver
2.) Shardless BUG
3.) Deathblade
4.) Sneak and Show
5.) Jund
6.) ANT
7.) Death & Taxes
8.) Elves
9.) Patriot
10.) OmniTell
There are 4 combo decks (Sneak and Show, ANT, Elves and OmniTell) that do not care about TNN at all. These decks will do it's thing no matter what, so for the discussion, it really narrows down to the remaining 6 non-combo decks.
RUG Delver, Deathblade, Patriot all run TNN in their 75. So that leaves 3 decks left that aren't combo and don't run TNN themselves. Of the 3, 2 of them (Jund and Shardless BUG) are in colors that have a multitude of the exact answers needed to combat TNN. So there's exactly 1 deck (Death and Taxes) in the top 10 that isn't combo, doesn't run TNN and isn't in a natural color that gives them many feasible answers.
I'm not quite sure what people are looking at, but the data suggests that you either play a deck that doesn't care about TNN at all (combo, Miracles too), play with TNN (Delver decks, Blade decks or some hybrid of the two) or play a deck that can easily and effective answer TNN (most times it'll be BGx decks).
Did you crawl out from under a rock on November 1st? All 10 of those decks were widely played BEFORE TNN was printed. All 10 of those show consistent Top 8 finishes throughout the last 6 months, it's not like they just showed up to combat TNN.
OMGz, people are playing mass untargeted creature removal? There have been decks playing mass removal since the beginning of fucking Magic. "BUUT BUT BUT MAINDECK GOLGARI CHARM!" people say; you realize it regenerates creatures too right? And destroys Sneak Attack. etc etc ad nauseaum.
I suggest that you feel your face as I think you have these on:
http://rarelittlebird.files.wordpres...ders.jpg?w=470
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No shit, but now there's literally no reason NOT to run those decks exclusively from this point forward.
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Arsenal
No shit, but now there's literally no reason NOT to run those decks exclusively from this point forward.
Oh god, someone on the internet thinks the Legacy meta is permanently stuck in Fall of 2013!!! Where is the Doctor when you need him!
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You cannot call on the Doctor, his name was the very Nemesis of the Silence. He will destroy this whole situation.
Also, on DnT. I do not think DnT will hold its numbers going forward but I am willing to bet a ton of people just finished building it. For that reason we will see it for a while yet until it starts to shift to either using fliers or vanishes totally.
