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As we're all aware, Modern isn't Legacy. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Modern Goblins will never get access to Wasteland or Rishadan Port style cards, so the controlling nature of the deck won't really be present.
Goblins in Modern is more strictly an aggro deck. An aggro deck which just got much better by having Piledriver. :cool:
I suspect the deck will strive to curve out in the following manner:
Non-Lackey 1 drop
Goblin Piledriver
Goblin Chieftain
Krenko, Mob Boss
...
Profit!
Why not play Warren Instigator?
Nothing wrong with giving Piledriver Trample and First Strike...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
Shaman of the Pack is a frightening card. Elves typically does not have more than 5 in play when I keel over though. Are there decks using stuff like Ensnaring Bridge to fight them? Or Moat? When would this chick be better than craterhoofing? Are we talking Wirewood Symbiote tricks? Seems slow.
These spoilers probably jump the price of Cavern of Souls further for Modern. Great. As if Elves needed any more help in the format anyway though despite the clash with Collected Company.
Piledriver is going to be lots of fun though, and hell you even have a few months in Standard (for those who give a shit) to use it with Rabble. Piledriver into Rabblemaster with Dragon Fodder and Hordeling Outburst backup will just be annoying.
Because it is no where near as good as lackey.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Lackey comes down on turn 1, so when it swings on turn 2 you normally only need to worry about 1 blocker if any, and goblins does run some removal so it can kill a 1 drop often enough. with instigator it does not swing until turn 3, so there are likely multiple blockers, and you need something to make it unblockable as they will not let it through.
You will still run it in Modern, but it is no where near as good as lackey.
That new Goblin that makes a guy unblockable when he ETBs seems strong with Instigator. I would almost play SSG for that turn one Instigator...there's just too much bolt in the format to make it worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmcc13
That's the wrong question!Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Why would Modern Goblins play Warren Instigator?
Here's some Goblin lists off TCDecks:
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=17009&iddeck=127589
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=16803&iddeck=125890
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=16629&iddeck=124503 <- Actually runs 4 Winstigator
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=16550&iddeck=123887
Those are the only entries for 2015...
Again, don't make the mistake of thinking Modern Goblins is a port of Legacy Goblins.
Regarding Legion Loyalist
Agreed! But after looking through the lists above, I actually think Goblin Guide is currently the strongest 1 drop...Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmcc13
It is more likely to draw removal, plus your opponent is less likely to know what deck you are playing (could be Burn or U/R Delver).
That isn't to say you shouldn't be running both. :wink:
If Modern is full of Bolts, is Mountainwalk pretty relevant? Goblin King could be the new Lord of Atlantis!Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral_Arzar
I guess that extra :1: isn't a big deal in modern either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Cheese
I only see Vryn Wingmare doing anything in those Stoneforge/Angel/creature-centric Stax lists that occasionally pop up, because they're the only decks that might be excited about evasion tacked onto Glowrider, as those decks are always looking to connect with equipment and block delvers. Not many other decks take a second look at Glowrider, and flying probably won't change that.
I still can't believe there were all of those Cavern of Souls lying around in local game stores for $12 a pop just a year ago (Jan-June 2014). Every time I saw one at that price I was like "How can such a good card with so many applications possibly be so cheap". I'm glad I bought as many as I could back then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Di
Well, I don't know about you but Jace is extremely underpriced. I just bought out 16 and will probably buy more of them. There is _no_ way that Jace is cheaper than Nissa. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm putting my money on Jace. It's a 2 mana Jace with 4 abilities for christ sake. Did you guys know Punishing Fire is a card?
Punishing Fire is banned in Modern.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
And Flip-Jace in Legacy? Just nope.
Last time I checked, Treasure Cruise was banned from legacy and that card required a larger graveyard than Jace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
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Jace is the only Planeswalker that fulfills his own transform requirement
Jace has near complete control over when he flips. Tap -> flip, or smartly abuse the loot with punishing fire for the engine.
My prediction is, and I may be wrong, that Jace will be a 30 to 50 euro card and I wouldn't be surprised if it's going to be more.
The card has 3 card advantage abilities:
1) Loot digs and enables CA with graveyard cards like Punishing Fire-like cards
2) The recurring flashback is pure CA
3) Requires 5 damage for Jace to suffer, which likely means overextending creatures which exposes the player for boardsweepers -> CA
Oh, and the card costs 1U. That is Tibalt cost.
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Originally Posted by bruizar
Isn't his only ability that is any good really just the flashback though? He seems like a slower, smaller, and more situational Snapcaster Mage with some other abilities that aren't very useful.
I think you really underestimate the +2 and the loot. Those are two very fine abilities. Also, the flashback is not at all like Snapcaster Mage. Snapcaster Mage has flash and is a one-off effect. Jace has recurring sorcery speed flashbacks. I see why its tempting to make this mistake given that they are both 1U creatures that flashback, but giving flashback is not enough reason to make such an oversimplification. We don't compare Yawgmoth's Will to Snapcaster Mage either.Quote:
Originally Posted by kusumoto
looting is slow and irrelevant
body is irrelevant
if you ever manage to flip it, its only useful ability is flashback every 3 turns. (its +1 only)
have you played competitive legacy lately?
It's a +1 and it gives a creature -2/-0 for a turn. I think the question with the flashback ability on this guy is what you are flashing back and how often it is actually something that you wouldn't use a snapcaster for. Also, the flashback is -3 with a 5 starting loyalty and not so great +1 ability. You probably will only use it once. Snapcaster seems like the only thing that this guy would compete with in Legacy and Snapcaster seems better at it. That's why I draw the comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
I don't know about modern though.
I disagree. Sylvan Library and Dark Confidant are equally slow. Those are being played, but they don't flashback cards nor shrink creatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
I admit that I may be completely off on this one but I'm willing to gamble €200 on 16 Jaces. I doubt Jace will get any lower than that EVEN if Cashcaster Mage may be better. The price discrepancy between Jace and Snapcaster Mage is larger than the powerlevel discrepancy. It may bite me in the long run but I'm going on record here to say Jace has a home in eternal magic. In many situations the +1 is better than Jace the Mindsculptor -1 (Obviously not against unfair decks -> MUD/Emrakul) since the loyalty gain ramps into flashback which means CA/sweepers so that you can continue to ramp into even more flashbacks.
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I'm very close to saying that Jace is better than Snapcaster Mage, but for the sake of realism that would need to be tested first. My strong opinion is that Jace is the sleeper card this set.