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chado, you can hellkite a tombstalker, you can burn creatures too with hellkite. I thought you said you only play against Aggro? If you don't then you should play 4 SSS, Primus is not good in reanimator. If you are looking for speed why would you get Primus? He doesn't fly but has persist which isn't really relevant to Swords. You can play what you want but how is Primus better than any untargetable creature? He is simply worse than SSS so why play a 3/3 split when you can play a 4/2 split?
Because thanks to Primus you have better chance to win vs combo or prison decks , and without really losing power vs other MU ...
troll: if you want to make mass damage quickly, just play burn instead of reanimator:tongue:
Combo? What? Prison, I know (on occasion, not always), but combo? 4srs?Quote:
Originally Posted by chado
Or, you know, have creatures with relevant CiP abilities? Honestly, the opponent can play a metric fuckton of removal, if you're playing SSS it's irrelevant, and if you're playing Bogardan Hellkite everything short of swords is easily ignored. Seriously, that has to be the most ridiculous response to a relevant rebuttal ever, or at least on this forum. Why wouldn't you play reanimator if you wanted a deck that can deal damage quickly? FFS... I can't believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by chado
Shh his meta is so fast its running circles around you dude. I honesltly dont know if you can keep up.
/trolledness
Combo: Primus is just as slow as SSS except can be targeted by the Burnung Wish tech to kill creatures. If you are only playing primus because of the Therapy interaction then don't play Primus. It's not worth that 1 situation out of 50 when a Therapy and a 5/5 could have won you the game. BTW you will lose more often because of a StP on Primus than the other way around. Magic is about Percentages.Quote:
Originally Posted by chado
Prison: Stax? I guess so... I honestly would rather beat down with SSS because he is practically invincible for the first 5 or 6 turns. That's all you need anyways. They aren't going to drop Stax before turn 3 because they'd destroy their board as well. I'd say that this point isn't a great one because Reanimator wants a creature as soon as possible so late game against any control is going to be unfavorable.
Burn doesn't make mass damage quickly, it makes a lot of little damage. I wasn't intending to offend you but if someone says "My meta is so quick SSS is too slow for it", then why would Primus be any faster? WOuldn't you want Hellkites and Overlords then?Quote:
troll: if you want to make mass damage quickly, just play burn instead of reanimator
Has anyone seen Sharuum the Hegemon from Shards of Alara? It's a 5/5 for 6 mana that can bring Sundering Titan into play with him when reanimated. This seems like another good reason to run Intuition. I'll be buying a couple of these for sure.
Sedris, the Traitor King :3: :u: :b: :r:
Legendary Creature - Human Minion Mythic Rare
Each creature card in your graveyard has unearth :2: :b: .
5/5
Um..........
So for 3 mana you get back a fatty and it has haste. I know it would be nigh impossible to make it work but wow is this a saucy card or what?
Is it only cmc3?
Titan is pretty much cut after hellkite overlord n such.
New creatures to consider?
Godsire
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Creature - Beast Mythic Rare
Vigilance
{T}: Put an 8/8 red, green, and white Beast creature token into play.
8/8
Empyrial Archangel
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Creature - Angel Mythic Rare
Flying, shroud
All damage that would be dealt to you is dealt to Empyrial Archangel instead.
5/8
Prince of Thralls
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Creature - Demon Mythic Rare
Whenever a permanent is put in an opponent's graveyard, return it to play under your control unless that player pays 3 life.
7/7
B/G/u Recurring Survival Reanimator
Lands (18)
4 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
3 Wooded Foothills
4 Bayou
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Tropical Island
1 Swamp
1 Forest
Creatures (17)
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Putrid Imp
2 Wild Mongrel
4 Simic Sky Swallower
1 Angel of Despair
1 Anger
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
Spells (25)
4 Brainstorm
4 Survival of the Fittest
4 Reanimate
4 Exhume
2 Recurring Nightmare
4 Thoughtseize
3 Cabal Therapy
Turn 1 Duress, turn 2 Birds of Paradise + Cabal Therapy is a powerplay. Without protection, you have a hard time resolving the cards necessary to get a fattie into play.
Wild Mongrel is a better creature than Oona's Prowler, IMO. Very rarely are you going to need a small flyer as a backup plan; against opposing aggro/control, you can't race with a Prowler, and Prowler is horrible on defense. Wild Mongrel can easily trade with opposing Mongooses and Goyfs.
Survival of the Fittest is a better discard outlet than Intuition, IMO, because it can enable Anger. It's also a card advantage engine when it needs to be, whereas Intuition is just card parity. I know that Intuition can also be a tutor for reanimation spells, though I don't think the deck needs an additional tutor for those.
Both Recurring Nightmare/Survival of the Fittest are bombs.
I figured SSS is really the only creature that needs to resolve, since it usually races everything, and is resilient. The lone Angel can blow up problematic permanents like Propaganda and Tarmogoyf.
The deck can also Tarmogoyf's, Shriekmaws, and Tombstalkers as a transformational manplan sideboard.
I think 4 SSS 4 Empyrial Archangel would be a very interesting base of reanimator targets to use.
Why ANY Empyrial Archangel, much less 4 of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Illissius
Maybe because you get kind of pseudoinvulnerable with an evasive unremovable clock. It forces your opponent to have 2 big creatures, since a single one will never take it down by itself. It's bad for a late game reanimation target, but it seems wonderful in the early turns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirrislegend
I think that the new reanimator targets are more cute than good. The deck is losing it's gameplan if it's worried about saving it's own ass. It's supposed to go for the throat. If you want to run a controlling reanimator that's a lot different than BU REanimator. I'd go with BG.
how about Hellkite Overlord? 8/8 flying hasty trampler? me likey.
And, I haven't gone back to this thread for quite some time, so forgive me, but what has happened since the gonzalez build? this looks more like a survival variant than straight up reanimator. What happened to plain ol' B/U? not good enough anymore?
Is Empyrial Archangel an effective replacement to SSS?
I would not contemplate using both in the same deck as it would reduce the speed of the deck far to much for my liking, unless someone can show me it does not.
Empyrial Archangel 5/8
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Creature - Angel Mythic Rare
Flying, shroud
All damage that would be dealt to you is dealt to Empyrial Archangel instead.
I feel very strongly that builds running SSS would benefit significantly from cutting him and swaping in the new mythic angel (I feel dirty saying something is mythic. Are we 5 year olds playing yu-gi-oh?) Overall at the cost of 1 power you gain 2 toughness and a free Pariah effect. The loss of one power is not even highly significant. Typically SSS will kill one turn faster then the angel due to ur opponent pinging himself for 2 in some fashion although given the power of the angel I do not think that turn will matter because in theory her ability to absorb damage will buy you at least the one lost turn minimum.
The Archangel could be the next replacement but it can be easily killed from a few guys swinging in. It's not that crazy to think that a Goyf and mongoose swing and kill the angel. Personally it seems that you would lose games from it dying than you would from winning.
My 2 cents.
So I was thinking about playing reanimator, but I was wondering what decks it has bad matchups against.
On Empirical Archangel-
This is actually toe and toe with SSS for the best reanimation targets. Lets consider:
SSS- Pro swords, 4 turn clock, evasion, 7 life to reanimate
EAA- Pro swords, 4 turn clock, evasion, 8 life to reanimate, great against aggro, loses to multiple strong creatures swinging.
Look even if it dies to damage, which is so rare, it just got you the time nessecary to win the game and at least dealt 5 damage and diverted 8, +13.
Your opponent is going to have to swing with an unusually strong goyf (5/6) and a bolt to kill it... still a 1 for one and diverted 8 damage. Granted against goblins it may die fast but i think goblins is always a bad matchup and SSS would lose even faster.
I mean seriously its not even legendary...
In my opinion EAA is better and if i were to play reanimate I would run:
4 Emirical Archangel
4 Bogardian Hellkite
I shouldnt have to say why hellkite is so good...
Aggro is beat by hellkite (goblins, white weenies, ect.)
Control is beaten by angel (threshold, landstill, ect.)
WoG beats all so dont even mention it. And really WoG doesnt really beat hellkite...