[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)

Regarding Chrome Mox vs. Mox Diamond, that has been tried before. Post Ad Nauseam, they are more or less the same, but Chrome Mox is not only there to help making Ad Nauseams stronger, but also to power them out. Mox Diamond is much worse at this - after all, you have way more cards to pitch to Chrome than you have lands. Also, I don't actually think Chrome Mox is as bad as most other people do. Sure, it's worse than Petal, but Petal is just very, very good. I have actually had a second Chrome Mox in my sideboard for a while, but that was like two years ago.

I have also had Telemin Performance in my board when I was playing with Wishes. I had it in for about half a year and played about 18 matches of sanctioned Legacy during that time. I can only remember casting it twice in that entire time - and trust me, casting that card is something you will remember.

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Originally Posted by m_xer

Can anyone figure out what is the purpose of additional sideboard Ad Nauseam on Timo Schünemann's deck from BoM? I understand he built the deck with the idea of having best Ad Nauseams while keeping ANT shell but when do you board another one?

I could guess you replace top against fast combo or maybe replace PiF against deck that bring in a lot of GY hate but that seem kinda sketchy.

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It was stated some times now in this thread: He played a second CoV instead of Ad Nauseam in the board. It is just a typo by the BoM staff.

Telemin Performace is not worth it without BW, the idea is to get a BW kill at low mana investment when speed really matters - so it's best in TES, I played that for about 3 months in last 2 years and killed just ANT/Tes players about 4 times in all the tournaments, no luck vs Griselbrands/Emrakuls... If I were to pick up TES again the card has it's place...

A Man needs some amusement... until I Notion Thief a Time Spiral I'm not satisfied...

To me DoN is the real deal. with 2 online they cant kill you, you have all the time in the world even drawing multiples, because all their creatures die so you dont have to worry (well batterskull is a problem but with all that time you cant tendrils their heads without doubts)

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Originally Posted by Sloshthedark

A Man needs some amusement... until I Notion Thief a Time Spiral I'm not satisfied...

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Diminishing Returns. It's Diminishing Returns what you want to play Notion Thief in resp.
I'd sb that card in RUG just to make you happy. ;-)

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Originally Posted by Sloshthedark

A Man needs some amusement... until I Notion Thief a Time Spiral I'm not satisfied...

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Well… I Notion Thief'd a Ancestral + a TfK in the same match (g2/g3) at BoM :D

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Originally Posted by SaberTooth

To me DoN is the real deal. with 2 online they cant kill you, you have all the time in the world even drawing multiples, because all their creatures die so you dont have to worry (well batterskull is a problem but with all that time you cant tendrils their heads without doubts)

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While I won't disagree that 2 DoN is good, I definitely lost a game recently where I played a T1 DoN and a T3 DoN when my opponent just played 3 Phyrexian Revokers, named all my artifact mana, and then killed me.

So yeah, it doesn't actually kill EVERYTHING, just most things :)

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Originally Posted by Jeff

While I won't disagree that 2 DoN is good, I definitely lost a game recently where I played a T1 DoN and a T3 DoN when my opponent just played 3 Phyrexian Revokers, named all my artifact mana, and then killed me.

So yeah, it doesn't actually kill EVERYTHING, just most things :)

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This is why I really like 2 DoN/1 Massacre split. I think 3 SB cards are good vs this kind of matchup.
Massacre doesn't kill teeg, which might be a slight problem, but I run 3 abrupt decays as well. So far, teeg hasn't been a problem.

Current sideboard:
2x CoV
3x Decay
2x DoN
1x Massacre
3x Xantid Swarm
3x Dark Confidant
1x Fluffercard, atm I am testing Carsten Kotter's flusterstorm.

I'm actually playing 2 Dread of Night 2 Massacre in my board right now, because at Champs D&T was freaking everywhere, and I expect to see a lot of it. I'm willing to dedicate 4 slots if it makes that big of a difference.

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Originally Posted by Quasim0ff

This is why I really like 2 DoN/1 Massacre split. I think 3 SB cards are good vs this kind of matchup.
Massacre doesn't kill teeg, which might be a slight problem, but I run 3 abrupt decays as well. So far, teeg hasn't been a problem.

Current sideboard:
2x CoV
3x Decay
2x DoN
1x Massacre
3x Xantid Swarm
3x Dark Confidant
1x Fluffercard, atm I am testing Carsten Kotter's flusterstorm.

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I really don't like bob in the board and have cut him from all my storm lists, too slow, the decks where he is good against (discard) you should just kill them fast.

-Last list i played was with wish. Really liked it, gives you a ton of more options. pretty easy to beat three revokers when you have a wish to go get massacre. after you have dreaded away everything else.
-Haven't really been liking decay but haven't played much recently. I'll write more on this when i get home. I am probably wrong.
-I have played singleton chrome moxen in the past. i think they are fine. i think they are better than diamonds since the deck has a 45 (36 spells if you discount non colored artifact mana + one moxen) spells and only 15 lands. one of these is more than the other. both of the moxen require ditchign another card. chrome mox can be played at all points. diamond kind of just gets stuck unless it was off an adnaus. can also repsond to the chrome mox with ad naus. and chrome mox can get you more economically hellbent.

I really prefer the 3rd preordain over the singleton... Something. I feel like the deck is strong enough with 15/8 lands and accelerants.


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8/1 day one with no bys. Loss was to a really good RUG Delver player.

Lost the first two rounds of day to. Lost to a not to to great RUG player,I saw right through him and went for it turn one. 2 Prbes,a Brainstonm and Ponder later I fizzled with LED Lp DR in my hand. Wtf deck.
Round two I lossed to the luckyest ELVs player ever. I therapy away a Heratige Druid he untaps top decks another plays it wile have a Q Ranger out. Then proseeds to grow his bored and passes. I untap B Storm Therapy his Crater Hoof he untaps and tops a Natural Order. Wtf.
So at this point I'm on tilt. I wonder off and do what ever. I bump into my friends and there like how did it go? I told them and then they where like well you can play it out and cash still. I was like that's a great idea lol. I then find out I completely missed round three and was dropped.
I haven't played in a GP in a veary long time,so lesson learned I guess.

Day 1 I played against 3 D@Ts,Jund,Oops all Spells,RUG Delver,ElVs dont remember the other 2. But I beat them lol.

Highlights Included:
Going off the turn before i was dead with mana PIF,B Storm,Ponder and a Probe in the yard. Witch got me a IT for the win.

Top decking the 2nd DON game 3 rd 9 to kill a Canonist and win.

Won through a Nether Void in the side event,sealing the match.

Notes:
I went back to 3 Wishs with a Toxic Deluge in the Board. Witch i never used. However i Won a bunch of games with IGG and Grim Tutor.

Every body I played was prepaid for Xantid Swarm. Might be time to switch to Silence or some thing like that,idk.

Tryed the natural Tendrils theary against RUG,seemed to be good. I had PIF LP in hand just needed a Ritual to flash back every thing but when i got the Ritual he had a counter for it.
Other wise i like the theary.

My Record in DC was 11-4 with the following results:

W R1 Bye
W R2 Shardless BUG 2-1
W R3 Shardless BUG 2-1
W R4 Esper Deathblade 2-0
L R5 RUG Delver 1-2
L R6 UR Delver 1-2
W R7 Belcher 2-1
W R8 UW Stoneblade 2-1
W R9 RUG Delver 2-1
W R10 BUG Delver 2-0
W R11 Shardless BUG 2-0
L R12 Elves 1-2
W R13 RUG Delver 2-0
W R14 Esper Deathblade 2-0
L R15 RUG Delver 0-2

Highlights included:
-Beating 3 Hymns (one was off Agent), 2 Force, and Liliana in round 2 game 3
-18 Goblins on turn 1 on the draw after being Inquisitioned in round 4
-Losing to 3rd Stifle of the game drawn by sacrificing a Relic in response to Tendrils storm trigger in round 6 (his like 3% outer)
-Beating RUG round 9 game 2 at 3 life when his hand during the game included REB, Spell Snare, Daze, Stifle, Force, and a turn 1 Delver with perfect mana Past in Flames loop (don't know how to describe it… it was just sweet)
-Punted against Elves in round 12 because I didn't read Quirion Ranger
-Round 14 opponent scooped game 1 after I cast Probe on turn 2

New ANT player here, what's the basic strategy for beating Delver decks in general?

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Originally Posted by cheerios

New ANT player here, what's the basic strategy for beating Delver decks in general?

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- Discard hard counters
- Make mana to fight through soft counters
- An early Empty the Warrens is very strong, especially if you have it in your hand
- Always keep track of Storm from opposing spells, they often open up the opportunity to go for a natural Tendrils
- If they don't put you under a lot of pressure, be sure to take your time and sculpt the perfect hand

Tempo decks with Delver are absolutely beatable, unless they draw the stone cold nuts. They will have to put you under early pressure while cantripping into more permission. Just play like 20 games against RUG, BUG (tempo) and UWR, and you'll notice how the guidelines mentioned above will work in practice. Just note that UWR plays out differently, because Batterskull often beats your goblin token army. On the other hand, you can always sacrifice one guy to flashback Therapy to get rid of it. Never forget about that option. It'll save your butt more often than you might expect it would.

Against Patriot and rug:

1º Get a basic Island, sculpt your hand, get a lot of rituals + mana artifacts, and some discard

2º Play cabal therapy , duress or thoughtseize, strip their hard counter and play rituals, for passing trhought dazes and spell pierce, and tutor for past in flames, play rituals again, discard their stifles, and tutor for tendrils.

3º Win

Usually I dont use ad nauseam against canadian an patriot.

-You have to be tricky, and dont play discard a turn at random, because they can hide their force of will with brainstorm, its better to play discard when they are tapped or the turn that you are going to win.

-In you have one land in play, one lotus petal in hand and you are going to play some cantrip, play first your lotus petal, for paying a possible daze of your opponent.

-Some people sideboard in xantid swarn against these decks, other not ... If you sideboard xantid swarn against tempo decks you have to remember, that if you see a bolt in their hand, you can use xantid sward for flashback cabal therapy. You play 1º You play xantid swarn, and without give him the priority you flashback cabal therapy :)


I agree that threshold and patriot (patriot at least in g1) are good matches for us.

Team America is a little different, they have discard and they can attack your hand and your graveyard , you have to valorate if you have to win with ad nauseam, or past in flames.

In my last tournament one friend with rug, said me, "ohhh I would like to be paired with you, Ad nauseam is a good pairing for me (He laughted)!!!", we were paired in the last round and he lost 2-0.:smile:

Does anyone agree with me that we need a new first post in this thread? That post is several years old and thus completely outdated. It does not even mention Past in Flames.

As a new storm player I completely agree that this thread could use a new opening post/tutorial/sideboarding guide.
I played my first tournament with ANT this weekend at the GP and went 6-3 with no byes, losing the last round of the day against elves. I may have misplayed in one of those games, so I would welcome your opinions on this sequence. I resolved Ad Nauseam on turn 2 from 17 life off a thresholded cabal ritual with a LED in play (no mana floating and I played a land this turn). I declined to crack LED, thinking that if I drew an infernal tutor, I would like to be able to empty my hand. Since there were still 4 lotus petals in the deck and only 3 LEDs, I thought it was more valuable to me uncracked. I proceeded to draw a bunch of rituals, tutors, cantrips, and LEDs, but no petal, so I stopped at 2 life (he had a llanowar elf in play), passing the turn. I died to NO into Craterhoof. Statistically I was more likely to draw a petal than another LED, but what is the correct play here, to crack or not to crack? I am thinking now that if I had used LED for black, I could have at least cast some discard to prevent me dying the next turn.

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Originally Posted by Jin Gitaxias

Does anyone agree with me that we need a new first post in this thread? That post is several years old and thus completely outdated. It does not even mention Past in Flames.

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Agreed,long over due. I think Mon,Goblin Cheif would be perfect for the job. Maybe if enough people ask or what ever he would make one for the Source.

PS updated my post.

Got 64th at the GP this weekend with a list too clunky and awful to post. Lost to RUG day one, esper stonefish miracles and rug again day 2. I got punished a lot for my awkward manabase in the last round against RUG so I'm going back to a standard grim tutor build.