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Sadly I have to disagree...TNN reduces the needed sideboardslots for "fair decks" against their likes...leaving them with more slots for the combo matchup like in the winning Patriot deck from DC feat. 4 x Meddling Mage :-/ We'll see how it plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjholmes3
Iv just been happy that TTN has been replacing VC in people's lists.
Well thats positive as well as is the absence of Stifles. But you need something against these 4 Meddling Mages. I have one slot open in my sideboard (single Tormod's Crypt). So I hope going up to 4 DoN will do the trick for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MTG Junkie
At least it covers another DtB ;) And DoN was a nice card for me against DnT lately. Covering my flanks while being abused as additional storm with Chain of Vapor for the lethal Tendrils was just what I needed in that moment.
On the other hand...Timo showed some interest in Toxic Deluge on our way back home...so let us see what happens :)
Hi,
Because of no silence or chants in this deck, I'd be interested to hear some suggestions on how to play against vendilion clique (with possibly active karakas) or an active Sensei's Divining Top. Should I board Xantid Swarm in in these matches where you'd possibly want to have your opponent silenced? If miracles poses no clock whatsoever I've been able to overrun them first with discard, then playing infernal tutor breaking led's and discarding PiF or having a tutor of my own on top of my library while I have SDT in play. My deck has only one PiF and one SDT so chances of this actually happening are slim and you need a lot of time to find either one of these.
Any better ideas or hints?
To be honest I have no Idea how Silence/Chant can help you against Clique. What can help is discarding it. And Xantid Swarm only protects your discard, but does not handle Clique either. Miracles requires Abrupt Decay if you ask me. What is your complete list, what are the exact matchups you are concerned about? It is not a simple Deck and there are few simple answers regarding any questions about ANT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Machahiko
To sum things up at least a little:
Decks that play clique are Miracles and UW Stoneblade afaik. Both of these will pack a huge counterwall as their clock is not the fastest. Miracles has the Top/CB combo to make our lives a little more miserable leading to you, boarding in Decays. I'd also add swarm as speed is not your #1 priority in these matchups, going off safely is more common in my experience unless you have a fast EtW. 12 Goblins are most likely winning the game!
Sensei's Divining Top + Your cantrips help with handling clique in a way that the opponent does not have ultimate control of what your hand consists try to keep redundant pieces of the combo in your hand, float the others to hide information on your gameplan progress and to keep them from getting stripped off your grip.
I usually tend to rate my opening hand with what I want to do and what I need to do in order to win, maybe that will help you create an edge in your early game and try to keep rethinking your strategy with EVERY card you see (Probe/Duress/Therapy lets you see the opponents' cards too). Information is vital.
Good day and keep counting to ten.
I'm playing Timo Schunemann's list with minor change, here's a reminder if you don't remember what he was playing:
1 Bayou
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
1 Ad Nauseam
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Preordain
3 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Ponder
Sideboard:
2 Chain of Vapor
3 Xantid Swarm
4 Dread of Night
3 Carpet of Flowers
3 Abrupt Decay
So the change is -1 Tormod, +1 Dread of Night. Not sure about would I want to play tormod, hurkyl's recall or dread of night.
Silence helps against an active sensei's divining top, against clique you'll still need two business spells in hand. I find it really hard / impossible to discard Clique before they reach the 3 mana, after that it forces me to find two ways to win in hand before I can try to beat his hand. I'm not really comfortable with trying to win with EtW, since they'll usually leave in EE, Terminus or both. My sideboarding plan against Miracles has been +Decays, -2 Preordain, -1 Cabal Ritual. If I would take Swarms in, I'd go -1 probe, -2 duress.
Just a random question: is 14 lands foolish with 4 Petals 4 LED and 4 of each Ritual?
Maybe SBing in my Karakas if i SB out some of the previous mentioned?
- L
It's not wrong per se. We used to play 14 lands in the old ANT with Mystical Tutor. It seemed fine to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looooooooo
With 14-15 cantrips, it's not like you'll have trouble finding a second or a third one of you really need it.
Of course against Canadian Thresh it's nice to have extra land, but even with 14 lands and no basics I managed to beat Thresh.
I must say though, that all lists I played with 14 lands contained at least two Chrome Moxen...
I still think virtue's ruin is better - because who cares about non-white creatures?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindlash
Only situation I can think about is that one match where I nearly died to two Phyrixian Revoker after the rest of the DnT deck was dust due to Dread of Night :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Luklinda
Yea that's a big drag. In this case, Massacre is better than both Dread of Night and Virtue's Ruin. Ruin is better vs GW/x decks, while Massacre is better vs non-Gaddock Teeg lists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindlash
I've had too many games where death and taxes simply doesnt play a plains for me to want massacre :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Hey all, new to Storm and I'm wondering where I can find some SB guides for ANT. The TES thread is really well updated by Bryant, but I haven't seen any similar thing for ANT (I suppose there are more variations to ANT).
What is usually taken out vs. tempo, control, D&T and combo?
Also, I've read all of Carsten's and Ari's articles, are there any other good articles I should read?
Thanks all!
FWIW, I think Massacre is where it's at right now. It makes Ad Nauseam worse and doesn't work vs. Gaddock Teeg, but Teeg is actually not all that popular whereas Meddling Mage is very popular. Regarding the Plains issue vs. Death and Taxes, I find it hard to believe that there will be a lot of games where they get by without playing a Plains. Dread of Night is certainly better there, but pretty poor vs. UWR.
Part of my work on the primer is to include sideboard strategy, but the problem is, our sideboards can vary a lot, and there are several acceptable variations, which makes it unreasonable to make a Sideboarding guide. I do, however, include in each matchup guidelines on what to expect, what to bring in, and what to take out of the deck.
Appy-Polly-Logies for the double posting, but some things need to happen. One, we need a mod/admin/whatever do something about the OP to the thread. If Indiana Jones was looking for the ancient history of the deck, then we'd be dandy, but for new players, a good primer is just about the best thing you can get for them, and I aim for this thread's OP to be the greatest standalone resource for ANT on the web.
Second, I need people to post some tourny reports/matchup experiences so I can add more perspectives, especially pertaining to decks like Patriot and Blade, with which I've less experience than wanted (haven't seen one TNN on Trice yet; everyone is too busy playing "Decks I've never seen before" and "CASUAL LEGACY", whatever the hell that means).
Third, I want a nicer banner for the primer, including that fancy FNM tendrils artwork. I'd be very appreciative to anyone who would put together such a thing.
But the fnm tendrils is so ugly :(
Thanks bjholmes for working on the primer. It is looking great! Any thoughts about including a sentence or two on grim tutor in the less common options section?
Ah, of course! I'll include SDT as well, some people are using it, or so I've heard.
It'd be pretty cool if one of the mods could agree to just open a new thread. Having the primer on page 290-whatever kind of sucks. I haven't read it because I'm too lazy to look for it, I can only imagine how it is for someone who wants to read up on the deck but is then presented a post from five years ago.
Also, just call the deck Storm. The lines are blurred, and it doesn't really matter anyway.
I hope something will be done about this soon and I can conveniently read the primer.
I'm also hoping for a new thread. This can be archived in the old threads section, should there be a need to do so, but all the work I did on the primer is useless if it stays on page 294, because the only people to ever see it will be those who don't need it in the first place, lol.
As for the name, I maintain that calling the deck ANT is probably for the best. It carries a unique identity that makes the deck immediately identifiable, just like other well-known yet not quite descriptive names like Patriot or Death & Taxes. Storm has a lot of variants, all of which are very significantly different, and I feel that this brew deserves its own special name.