[Deck] Solidarity

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Originally Posted by Funky-kun

EDIT: A question about the people with tournament experience with the deck; do you write down/memorize the cards put at the bottom of the library every time you use such an effect?

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If it's likely my deck will get shuffled no. Example: It's turn 2 and I play Impulse to find a third land, I take a fetchland, so I don't write the cards.
Anyway, when I impulse I try to remember only the important cards I'm putting on the bottom of the deck (High Tide, Reset, Cunning Wish, Flash of insight, Meditate). When I'm doing a huge Flash of Insight then I'm memorizing/writing the cards, even if it's only for half of the deck or 10-15 cards.

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Originally Posted by Mictlantecuhtli

EDIT: @Van:You probably meant the 6th rather than 12th of December?

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Nah, I'm just ahead of time.

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Originally Posted by GreenOne

If it's likely my deck will get shuffled no. Example: It's turn 2 and I play Impulse to find a third land, I take a fetchland, so I don't write the cards.
Anyway, when I impulse I try to remember only the important cards I'm putting on the bottom of the deck (High Tide, Reset, Cunning Wish, Flash of insight, Meditate). When I'm doing a huge Flash of Insight then I'm memorizing/writing the cards, even if it's only for half of the deck or 10-15 cards.

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That sums it up pretty well.

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Originally Posted by GreenOne

When I'm doing a huge Flash of Insight then I'm memorizing/writing the cards, even if it's only for half of the deck or 10-15 cards.

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I would like to know if this writing down - which might be essential mid-combo when you want to freeze yourself after Flash of Insight to find the right cards in the correct order - might cause trouble.

I found this in the DCI penalty guide:

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133. Tournament Error — Slow Play
Definition
Players who take longer than is reasonably required to complete game actions are engaging in Slow Play. If a judge believes a player is intentionally playing slowly to take advantage of a time limit, the infraction is Cheating — Stalling.

Examples (...)
C. A player in a Magic tournament spends time writing down the contents of an opponent's deck when resolving Haunting Echoes.

Penalty
All Levels
Warning

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Could this be applied to a Solidarity player writing down the cards of his own deck, too?

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Originally Posted by Taurelin

Could this be applied to a Solidarity player writing down the cards of his own deck, too?

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Yah, it absolutely could be. But then again, are you really worried about getting a warning? Also, is your opponent really gonna be that big of a jerk to call a judge because you want to remember how your stacking your deck?

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Originally Posted by honz

Yah, it absolutely could be. But then again, are you really worried about getting a warning? Also, is your opponent really gonna be that big of a jerk to call a judge because you want to remember how your stacking your deck?

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If my opponent takes a lot of time for doing so I would definitly call a judge. Especially since Solidarity matches in my area often tend to go to time.

I usually write them in a fast way, with abbreviations and such. In my notes, 15 cards are written as something like: med, tide, res, wish, foi, bf, c, cc, 7-
Where "c" are 1cc cantrips, cc is impulse, and "-" are lands. This won't take much time usually. Also, if you memorize some of the cards when adjusting your deck even less time is needed.

Hey Everybody, as one can tell I'm new to the forums. I have however played Solidarity for a few years, anyway, on to my topic.

I have been contemplating moving the 4th Meditate from the board to the main. I would replace it with a Three Wishes in the board, not as strong obviously but you got 4 Meditates main.

My reasoning behind this change is that Meditate is by far my most wished for target, and the one draw spell I really enjoy seeing before/while going off. Basically, I dislike wishing for draw spells. My problem is what card to cut for the additional Meditate. For reference, I run the version with 2 Cryptic Commands.

I see it as futile to cut a cantrip/draw spell, since I am trying to add another. The countermagic is necessary. So I cut a Brainfreeze, leaving one main and one in the board. Thanks for the help.

So now your most wished for card will be "three wishes" instead of meditate and you said yourself it was not as strong.

It is in the board because when going off, you have a fair amount of mana and 3 cunning wishes that will pretty much count as meditates - upping it to 6 meditates in your main. I know it's not exactly true, but you get the point. Mana is rarely that tight that you can't wish for a meditate when you are going off and cast the thing.

So when you are no longer wishing for meditate, you are going to be wishing for something else the most, and then you can move that to the main and put an inferior card in its place in the sideboard.

Where does it end?

Slobad23

I just playtested phanels list a bit on MWS and fought through 2 CB in play with an active top. I managed to bounce the top with cryptic and then freeze it away. Ended a mystic enforcer on top. So I could finally start casting my high tides and proceed for the win.

Also I fought through hymn hymn seize verdict. The deck really is very impressive.

But I do need to learn more about sb tactics so ill be reading the primer once more ;)

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Originally Posted by gunslinger

I have been contemplating moving the 4th Meditate from the board to the main. I would replace it with a Three Wishes in the board, not as strong obviously but you got 4 Meditates main.

My reasoning behind this change is that Meditate is by far my most wished for target, and the one draw spell I really enjoy seeing before/while going off.

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Originally Posted by slobad23

So now your most wished for card will be "three wishes" instead of meditate and you said yourself it was not as strong.

It is in the board because when going off, you have a fair amount of mana and 3 cunning wishes that will pretty much count as meditates - upping it to 6 meditates in your main. I know it's not exactly true, but you get the point. Mana is rarely that tight that you can't wish for a meditate when you are going off and cast the thing.

So when you are no longer wishing for meditate, you are going to be wishing for something else the most, and then you can move that to the main and put an inferior card in its place in the sideboard.

Where does it end?

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The obvious solution is to play 3 Meditate, 1 Three Wishes MD + 1 Meditate SB.

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Originally Posted by Nihil Credo

The obvious solution is to play 3 Meditate, 1 Three Wishes MD + 1 Meditate SB.

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True, but that kinda beats the purpose. Three Wishes sucks anyway, and I don't think it's worth it, except when you're in a very heavy-discard meta.

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Originally Posted by Bahamuth

True, but that kinda beats the purpose. Three Wishes sucks anyway, and I don't think it's worth it, except when you're in a very heavy-discard meta.

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Wait, it sucks especially in a discard-heavy meta because it can't be used to refill your hand. That aside you are right.

If you really want to improve your chance at finding Meditates, I'd suggest Peer Through Depths main. Myself, I never liked that card and don't think it's necessary, but if you feel the need for more draw, that is what I would suggest. But please don't cut the Meditate from your sideboard so it can stay the card that gets wished the most.

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Originally Posted by Van Phanel

But please don't cut the Meditate from your sideboard so it can stay the card that gets wished the most.

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Quote for truth, my loss against Aggro Loam at the DLC is the best evidence for it. You really need one Meditate in the SB to be able to wish it at any time.

@ VanPhanel: Das hast Du wirklich gut gemacht, Simon. Daumen hoch. :laugh:

Have you seen the "unlocking legacy" article this week??
(link: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/l...oth_Decks.html)

I think the writer underrates this deck, but at least they talk about our deck!! :wink:

*casts vote for Van Phanel writing a tournament report on SCG*

True that. [Edit: speaking of Zinch's post]

I believe Solidarity to be superior to any other combo-deck when it comes to fighting through hate. Unfortunately that means it suffers in speed which makes TES or ANT better in metas with less disruption. I'm not quite sure where I'd rate Permanent Waves in this pattern but likely between Solidarity and TES/ANT/Belcher both in speed and in the ability to win through disruption.

This is a quite interesting topic by the way which I think should be adressed on its own (but not within this thread). I'll open a thread in Format Discussion.

Edit: @Julian: There'd have to be a larger tournament for that first.

Thanks everybody for helping me. Whoever said just put a Three Wishes main made me realize I would never want to draw that card, so it shouldn't be in my sideboard either. Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks, and this is the deck I'm going to play at Worlds.

http://www.deckcheck.net//deck.php?id=21948

Although this is a Spring Tide list, I'd really love to play Solidarity at that shop...you know why? :-)

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Originally Posted by Julian23

http://www.deckcheck.net//deck.php?id=21948

Although this is a Spring Tide list, I'd really love to play Solidarity at that shop...you know why? :-)

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You're allowed to play Frantic Search in your Legacy events? :eyebrow:

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Originally Posted by Julian23

http://www.deckcheck.net//deck.php?id=21948

Although this is a Spring Tide list, I'd really love to play Solidarity at that shop...you know why? :-)

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Wow. Do they even understand what the Legacy banned list is and what it's for?