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I assumed he meant "Newb World Order".Quote:
Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE
Newb World Order is the blanket term for the major shift in design to push midrange and coddle new players. New World Order was only part of this shift.
It's very easy to confuse the two, because New World Order is an integral part of Newb World Order. It was also the only aspect of Newb World Order that WotC has good enough to name and explicitly publicize. But it was part of a bigger movement.
Remember how early New World Order brought Lightning Bolt, Doom Blade, and Mana Leak into standard? Then Jace happened and teh cuntrolz is two muhc so they came up with a brilliant idea: these spells are too good, make planeswalkers great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimhead
Logic.
So we can say Miracles is gone, even though UW Snapcaster/Jace will continue to be a thing, what are the other decks?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual
Do tier 3 pet decks really count as the metagame?
Cough, Esper Mentor, cough.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Intresting to see that a lot of people have a lot of ideas about which decks gonna dominate the new metagame with convincing arguments in general.
But let's see the problem another way: according to you, which decks are unfavored by the top ban -and therefore the miracles ban- ? To me, except marginal decks like 12post (which also suffer from top ban by the way), there is not any deck turning into something very bad. So, maybe the high variability of answers to the question of the metagame avolution is linked to the pre-existing deck diversity. Maybe everybody is right, and the lack of miracles will be positive for all decks ?
Wooooweee another midrange deck ResidentSleeperQuote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
Wait, the metagame is gonna change, except than Miracle is out now ?
Does really people expect to see any new garbage tier 2-3 decks rise and shine ?
Nope. It will just be a break for everyone until DrS ban.
Wow you really backed that point up with a lot of evidence and solid reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestalim
I saw his Nobel-worthy literary skills, and I felt let down when the substance and argumentation did not equal the heights of the writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE
At least every non-Miracles related thread to get posted in the Format and Article Discussion forum won't devolve into Miracles-bashing threads anymore. Only so many of those arguments one can read before the eyes bleed.
Rick and Morty are suddenly in my head for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual
I have no clue what happens now, I am interested to see though. I think control is seceded to Lands in the short term, with Blade possiblely making a come back. I feel like Landstill is likely not going to. The deck is weak to a Delver or a Vial, two common opening plays.
My personal interest is in decks like Aluren and Food Chain. These two were making a decent, not fantastic but decent, showing of late. With Elves likely on the rise, can one really hope to play a deck like Aluren without Recruiters hoping to midrange value out your opponents while digging for your combo?
Also Elves, dear God Elves. Welcome back to the DTB section. But the deck is not unbeatable. It is strong, and better now than any time in recent history, but its not a deck without weaknesses of its own.
This meta, it's going to be interesting for a while. I am going to enjoy the DTB updates over the next few months.
It doesn't need to, it's logical comprehension. If you're lacking that, you should stay at your place, on the 0-3 round table.Quote:
Originally Posted by supremePINEAPPLE
That's your home now, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestalim
For that, I'll need to go to any tournaments. Beside the fact that Legacy was decaying pretty fast and it was a rare thing, this announcement will drop even more the attendancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOLWut
While I will enjoy my salt, enjoy your 8-men <3
Kitchen table master 3000 strikes again.
Elves will obviously gain metagame share.
I do wonder where this is going to put Burn, though. With Counterbalance out of the picture, everybody playing BUG clusterfuck manabases being ideal PoP targets and Harsh Mentor being the new hotness (take that, fetches & DRS!), it should be significantly better in the new metagame.
I had similar thoughts. Burn loses to combo decks though, and combo is probably going to rise up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
This has been my point. We're gonna start with Elves, which will also bring out Storm[TES]/Reanimator/Dredge I think; so that the combos can race. This will prompt a rise in, I think.. RUG Delver again, because it'll have the speed to contend again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
At the same time, Burn can get free wins on the devolved "I run nothing but duals and Fetches and tri-color dudes" manabases; and we could well see burns in the top 8.
Expect to see S&T on the rise in a couple months as a way to deal with the Combo-Menace I think.
EDIT: Even if it turns out to be grixis delver, I would expect some Red in the mix; since Rebs will be important for the counter-battles that are coming up. I also anticipate we may see a Jund come back due to it's game against fellow mid-range decks and D&T. If it dodges enough combo or gets lucky, it will be back on the charts.
Please don't go, I want you to keep posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestalim
And then it all comes full circle again of a healthy shifting meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by tescrin
Elves gets good. That makes combo good. That then makes delver good. Which makes midrange good. Which then comes full circle and elves beats that.