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The problem is that SoFaF rewards you for having a full grip of cards to play with your newly available mana. Dragon Stompy will not be able to fully take advantage of the "untap all your lands" effect as Dragon Stompy unloads it's hand in the first 1-4 turns generally.
Hi!
I recently found new interest in DS, and I thought I mise put up my current list for discussion:
11 Mountain
4 Tomb
4 City
4 Mox
4 Spirit Guide
4 Magus
4 Raiders
4 Pit Dragon
4 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Lord of Shatterskull Pass
4 Chalice
4 Blood Moon
3 Trinissphere
2 Sword of Something and Another
1 Jitte
Some comments:
- No Seething Song/Arcslogger
I think I am one of the biggest Slogger-Fans around, but with Revoker in the mix, I favor a little bit more consistency over explosiveness.
I know, explosiveness is the most important asset of DS, But Revoker, as another piece of disruption, slows the deck down a turn. I do not want to play a Revoker (too) early - i. e. first or second turn off a song together with a moon / trini. So i think i can safely cut the Song. And without song, sadly no Slogger.
Speaking of consistency, another Mountain is in order, I think.
- Lord of Shatterskull Pass.
An unsafe candidate. Regrettably, the best offensive Four-Drop. I am contemplating the other usual "fringe"-cards (Taurean Mauler, Sulfur Elemental, Randomkroma) in this slot. Another card I tested was Kargan Dragonlord, but I am overloading on Two-Drops. I only know one thing for sure: I do not want FTK...
- No Koth
For a mono-red Deck, DS plays to few mountains too use Koth. I had games that were like
1st turn Chalice1;
2nd turn Trini;
3rd turn Koth with following cards in play: 1 Mox, 1 Mountain, 1 Ancient Tomb. Not that great...
- The Equipment: Might become 3 Swords, I am not sure which.
Jitte becomes worse in a Deck with Revoker. I cannot afford to trade the Revoker (or Magus, btw) to start generating Jitte-Counters. Swords on the other hand turn the equipped creature into a monster right away. Which is necessary, since Revoker adds another Dork to the Deck.
I am leaning towards SoFoF. Pro:Green is huge, and even though I really like the Wolf token, the Mill Trigger is useless, bordering to dangerous (Add SDT and Sylvan library to the aforementioned list of Graveyard decks).
Hey there... Well I had the same thoughts about Revoker, and I was thinking a LOT about the Seething or Trini blabla, and... testing approves that Trini and a bit more consisesty is better than explosiveness and first turn Seething. Seething needs another accelerator, and if we accelereate into a first turn Slogger and they have removal, we have just lost. On the other Hand... Testings had shown that SoB&M is super awesome.
So if we take a Sloggerless / Songless List with more equipment, I end up with this:
// Creatures
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Phyrexian Revoker
// Spells
4 Blood Moon
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
3 Trinisphere
2 Sword of Body and Mind [ridicoulous]
2 Umezawa's Jitte
// Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Snow-Covered Mountain
// Sideboard
4 Ratchet Bomb
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Anarchy
3 Shattering Spree
1 Trinisphere
57/15
That leaves 3 Slots in the main. I think I would possibly play a 3rd Sword... that still leaves 2 Slots... What would be the best choice here? Shouldn't cost that much mana, because of missing Songs. Nevertheless it MUST be a creatures I think.
My Thoughts:
Slogger is too clumsy, and seems nearly impossible to cast constantly without Song.
Mauler is only good if the rest of the deck doesn't work, so he is a no go as 2-off also.
Sulfur is way to weak in modern Legacy
Akroma is bad without Song.
Fortune Thief is a weak choice in removal-infested legacy and can't swing.
Koth is winmore, only good with Moon/Trini and not good in the aggro-shifting legacy meta.
Lodestone Golem is an creature that is only good as a 4-off IMO, but not in this deck [or maybe yes?]. Nevertheless, he suffers from being an artifact.
so what's left? Lord of Clumsyskull Ass? Jaya Ballard, Latex Mage? Flameslash Kavu?
What do you guys think? I think Jaya is the best here, but maybe it's just my Merfolk-hatery =P
@ NecroYawgmoth:
How about Detritivore or Shivan Wumpus for land hate #9/10? :laugh:
Has your testing for a songless build been working out fine? I honestly loathe Songs because they're possibly the worst card to topdeck later in the game, but the deck, lacking any sort of MD removal, relys heavily on those explosive T1-3 plays, so I'm wondering how it's been working out for you. Since I've added the 4 MD Revoker's I have noticed a necessity for less reliance on Song, but I am still in that transition period where i feel the need to keep them.
@ SoBaM:
Yes. Yes. Yes. Uber yummy. It will fit nicely with my 3 MD Jitte. 5 Equipment is perhaps too much, so I'll most likely do a 2/2 split like you have.
Forlorn Egoist
I think it mostly goes according to your meta call. The last tournament I played, there were among 55 players, 8 merfolks and 6 goblins, so for the next one I've decided to go like this:
// Creatures
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Lord of Shatterskull Pass
2 Flametongue Kavu
// Spells
2 Blood Moon
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
3 Trinisphere
3 Ratchet Bomb
3 Seething Song
// Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
11 Mountain
// Sideboard
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Trinisphere
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Flametongue Kavu
3 Firespout
3 Stingscourger
2 Blood Moon
Basically, the decision to cut Sloggers is because many times it's hard to cast and it may slow down your hellbent. Without that -1 Seething seems right and is working well for now, ratchets gives you the stability the deck needs and breaks many threats. Kavu's just because in my meta there aren't many combos so it gives me the control and acceleration I want.
So, does any of you think that the new red Praetor has potential here?
Urabrask, the Hidden
3RR
Mythic Rare
Legendary Creature - Praetor
Creatures you control have Haste.
Creatures your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
4/4
It has the same cost as Slogger and plays well with the "all-in"-style because tapped creatures can't block, and topdecked RPDs and stuff would have haste. Too bad he isn't 5/5 =/
your opinions?
His legendary status sometimes interferes with Hellben.
I think he's win-more. RPD flies and double strikes. Arc-Slogger kills creatures and burns your opponent. I don't think we need this guy.
I'm glad people have been finding sobam ridiculous. I'm having the same observations. Pro the right colours and wolf token= very useful. As for totally cutting sloggers and songs, I think this is not right. Sloggers can be totally cut but I think 2 copies is actually fine. As for songs, we need to play then to be as explosive as possible. Without songs, rpd and raiders become less good because hellbent is harder To achieve early. I don't like songs either, but hey we are some what of an all in deck, we are no way beating any deck with attrition so IMO it's best not to Hurt the all in plan.
yeah... SoB&M is sexyness^10
But I still don't play 3, because 4 Equipments must be enough.
My actual list which I am quite happy with:
// Creatures
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Lord of Shatterskull Pass
// Spells
4 Blood Moon
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
4 Trinisphere
2 Sword of Body and Mind
2 Umezawa's Jitte
// Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Snow-Covered Mountain
// Sideboard
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Ratchet Bomb
3 Anarchy
3 Shattering Spree
2 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
I only play 6 cards that cost 4 mana, and I am playing the maximum Screw-Plan... and because of only six 4-mana cards [4 if I exchange Shatterskull with Kargan] I have no problems to get hellbent.
If Shattering Spree is for Affinity, then that's not enough hate. Even if you can consistently hit RRR or higher, Affinity can still easily recover. Shatterstorm is better. Personally I go above and beyond Affinity hate and run 4 Null Rod.
nah... we also have Trinisphere, Chalice and we have Revoker to stop Plating... and we can cut them off from colored mana with Moon and Revoker. 3 Sprees are enough with the other stuff IMO
@NecroYawgmoth: Your list comes pretty close to what I consider state of the art as far as Dragonstompy goes. As I have said many times before, slight adjustments in main- and sideboard really depend on your metagame. This would be a built for an unknown metagame or one where you expect few tribals but rather junk, cb, bant. Good job. If you expect more tribals, cut 2 moons, 1 Trini for something like 1 Lord, 2 Jaya and switch back to SoFiI, but this version seems fine otherwise =)
about Shattering Spree: It's _easily_ the best choice in this slot. If you draw it against Affinity, it's game (no they simply do not recover). 3 is fine, I wouldn't blame anyone for playing 4 though. Shatterstorm and Null Rod both hurt yourself A LOT so don't even think about it.
I still think Lodestone Golem is a good choice, but it's an artifact which actually does hurt and very occasionally, you would rather see that Lord. However, he does a lot of things very well and I recommend playing it over anything in this slot unless your metagame is like >50% aggro (Zoo, Goblin). In that case, Slogger, Flametongue and Lord do something very similar (exept that Slogger is the only one that requires Seething Song). If you don't feel confidant running Golem, Lord is probably the way to go.
I'm glad people are beginning to understand that Seething Song is not necessarily an autoinclusion to this deck and with Revokers you can be just fine running on a lower manacurve =)
Urabrask is obviously not strong enough to find its way into this deck.
Hey everyone. Just started getting into Legacy, and built my first deck: Dragon Stompy (both paper and online). Have always had a thing for mono-red, and the explosiveness of the deck just seemed like so much fun.
Been playing it a lot for a couple weeks now, trying out the various lists. One of the first things I've realized is how critical that opening hand is. Knowing when to mulligan is key. There are so many decks out there where a first turn blood/magus or chalice for 1 (or 2) or trinisphere absolutely shuts down the opponent.
The list I'm currently running is similar to NecroYawgmoth's, except with seething songs, 2 akromas, no SoBaM. I usually keep the trinispheres in the sideboard. Also been messing around with Jaya, as well as sometimes Land's Edge. I like playing with two Land's Edges, especially if I'm using arc-sloggers and/or koth (being able to discard these guys anytime for hellbent is important).
In terms of matchups, I'm still learning about all the other decks out there. It sucks when I have a phyrexian revoker early, but am not sure what I should be choosing. More experience will help in this regard, I'm sure. In general, I've been able to beat Counter-Top pretty reliably as well as Death & Taxes. Seems about 50/50 against whatever that deck with Bridge from Below is called. Seem to always lose to other non-dragon stompy mono-red decks like goblins and burn.
Overall, the deck is a lot of fun to play, and I'm liking the legacy scene so far. Great thread!
No, Affinity can recover. You either attack their team or their mana with Shattering Spree. Affinity is fast as hell. If they are one turn from lethal, Shattering Spree for RRR may save you, but they can still rebuild their offense the next turn or reequip Cranial Plating to a new creature or Blinkmoth. If you think 3 Shattering Spree is enough against Affinity, you need to play the matchup more.Quote:
about Shattering Spree: It's _easily_ the best choice in this slot. If you draw it against Affinity, it's game (no they simply do not recover). 3 is fine, I wouldn't blame anyone for playing 4 though. Shatterstorm and Null Rod both hurt yourself A LOT so don't even think about it.
Null Rod is easily the best answer to Affinity. Who cares if your Chrome Mox or Jitte gets turned off, because in exchange you turn off their entire deck.
I don't like Revoker main deck. I've always found these creatures (Meddling Mage, etc) to be more trouble than they're worth. They don't affect board position at all and have antergy with some of your best cards (Jitte). It's not red for Mox and you don't always know what your opponent is playing game 1. What exactly is so crucial to Stifle that he can offset these drawbacks? Aether Vial? I think partially why he's been ok is because maybe this deck really just needed another low-cost creature. Until Wizards gives us another awesome 2R, we have to make do with what we have. To that end, I trawled up a few cards to generate discussion/ideas. Its always good to do due diligence even if you come back to Revoker :) I understand the cards below can't be cast off a single Tomb/City like Revoker can. Ability to pitch to Mox could offset that tho..
Embersmith - our deck has 14 artifacts, which means 'Smith could be activated a couple of times. 2/1 isn't bad either.
Goblin Tinkerer - why stifle Vial when you can just blow it up
Keldon Marauders - trades with Nacatl and friends while dishing damage
Mogg War Marshal - fantastic chump blocker, can kamikaze with a Jitte
Rustrazor Butcher - this guy was born to carry equipment! Jitte + first strike is awesome, with Wither to boot. With Jitte he can attack into a 5/6 Goyf and survive (and shrink it). Any of the swords on this guy are sweet too. I wouldn't mind testing him.
Skirk Marauder - another morph keeps opponent guessing, option to Shock could be decent
Stingscourger - having an out to Emrakul is a good thing
Yellow Scarves Cavalry - carries equipment.. kinda. I really just mention him because he wears likes yellow scarves.
Goblin Piledriver - blocks merfolk/war monk all day, carries equipment
Vexing Shusher - best way to protect Rakdos from FoW
<double post sorry>
I've put the revoker to good use against Aether Vial, Knight of the Reliquary, Sensei's Divining Top, Umezawa's Jitte, Mother of Runes, and various swords. Yeah, there's a lot of times I wish I had a different card, but there is no doubt i've won some games because of it.
I kinda agree though, it doesn't seem like THE answer for the four slots it takes up.
Here's my list:
-Lands-
11x Mountain
4x Ancient Tomb
4x Crystal Vein (Don't want to spend the money on Cities at the moment)
-Creatures-
4x Simian Spirit Guide
4x Rakdos Pit Dragon
4x Gathan Raiders
3x Magus of the Moon
3x Arc-Slogger
2x Lord of Shatterskull Pass
2x Flametongue Kavu
-Spells-
4x Chrome Mox
4x Trinisphere
3x Chalice of the Void
3x Blood Moon
3x Seething Song
2x Koth of the Hammer
Unfortunately, revoker is the best dude @ 2cc. Also you can cast him T1 off a double land in response to a T1 Vial or Heirarch. When you follow it up with a moon effect, it's GG. That's what I like most about him, the fact that he can screw around with Mox's/Vials/Heirarch early and then later, shut down bombs like opposing Jittes, Kotr, Mangara or Top.
To me, Revoker seems a bit fragile, and the cards that you named that he shuts down have better answers in my opinion. Also, I don't like how he doesn't work under a chalice at two is affected slightly by Trinisphere, and doesn't play well with Chrome Mox. Maybe I didn't test him enough or am not thinking about something, but those are my feelings on him.
Unhellbent Gathan Raiders, RPD also die to bolt/firespout so 1 toughness makes no difference to 3 toughness in this case. The body carries a Jitte/SOBAM and screws people which is good enough for me. Opinions differ though, I love him. I think he's the best card printed for Dragon Stompy since Magus of the Moon. No joke, test him in real life against a variety of decks. There is always something to hit. If you have resolved Challice @ 1 and are going to resolve a Challice @ 2, I won't be so worried about revoker, you're most probably winning by then or have already dropped the revoker.
...don't forget that Phyrexian Revoker cancels that cards that help the opponent to recover from the moon lock [Vial / Hierarch / Mox Diamond]
-> Colos Yearling or Mountain Yeti anyone? =P
€dit for below -_-
Mountain Yeti has built in Pro-Swords but thats about it. Can block KOTR all day though. Style factor FTW!
... and it's 95% of the time unblockable which is HUGE with Jitte or Sword =P XD
Godly techs there! Kudos for you! ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroYawgmoth
Or should I say "Yetis for you"...?
I always liked the mountain yeti.. and yeah, maybe worth a look with the deck lists shifting towards equipment. Doesn't have mountain walk, but have been messing with Defender of Chaos as well (mostly just for fun).
New to The Source and new to Legacy. My first and last legacy match was at Gen Con for Legacy Champs lol. I played Sneak Attack/Show and Tell and went 2-0 and then ran into two merfolk decks. Blah. Anways I usually play Vintage, and was mostly there for Vintage Champs, but want to expand my horizons.
I'm planning on playing in a legacy event soon. I played around with some of my friends decks: Show and Tell decks, a Power Artifact/Grim Mono deck(Not sure if it has a name), Merfolk and Burn. I've read through a lot of threads on here trying to familiarize myself with the different archetypes. After playing a long day of Legacy, I didn't really like any of the decks other than Power Artifact/Grim but enjoyed the format overall.
I decided I wanted to play something that ran Chalice or Null Rod main and stumbled here. I love red and this deck looks like a ton of fun. Thanks for the primer and subsequent posts everyone! I've read through the whole thread and linked articles.
My meta will be playing at least the following:
Dredge/Reanimator/Merfolk(Mono U)/Burn/CB Thropter/Belcher and maybe a Isochron-Chant deck.
I'd like to be as prepared as possible for the meta. Any tips/SB help would be great for playing DS vs. these.
I plan on running NecroYawgmoth's most recent list for my MD:
// Creatures
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Lord of Shatterskull Pass
// Spells
4 Blood Moon
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
4 Trinisphere
2 Sword of Body and Mind
2 Umezawa's Jitte
// Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Mountain
Is Jaya that great vs Merfolk in the SB?.. or is it just good for blue in general? I just feel like 2 cards out of the board for it, is not enough. What about something like Urza's Rage or Combust?
I also kind of like the idea of Mountain Yeti ;).
Yeah, that's nearly my list. I kicked the Shatterskulls for 2 Kargan Dragonlords. They are [slightly] better.
Sword and Jitte helps against Merfolk... Jaya would also help, but strangely she has won me more games against Goblins than against Folk >.> Jaya is not perfect, because of her casting cost, but some other players already told me their opinions, and she seems to be an okay choice [too bad she doesn't cost 2R]. You could also play Boil =P
The only other card which I would think about which is not in my 75 atm is Stingscouger as it can bounce Emrakuls, and it can return early Goyfs or stuff like that to hand, and sometimes they can't replay it thanks to our Moons. The only negative thing about him is the overpriced echo of 3R.
I still think that is the list what I would take with in a blind metagame. [with the 2 Kargans]
Well guys, I want to update the Opening Post with the Swords of X & Y and mainly SoB&M, but I am too lazy atm, and have other things on my mind, but I will do it as soon as I find time =/
I know Covetous Dragon has been mentioned before. Is the five mana that hard to get to in everyone's experience with the deck? Seems like such a good inclusion with 16 artifacts.
hi everybody. i am wondering why only few of you play lodestone golem. i have only the best experiences with it. i donīt remember any single moment that its ability minds me. but remeber very well how it minds to my opponent. it fits perfectly to our deck. i was on 77men tournament recently went 5-3 with this list:
Creatures (24)
4xRakdos
4xGathans
4xMagus
4xRevoker
4xGolem
4xSSG
Spells (18)
4xChalice
4xTrinisphere
4xChrome mox
4xMoon
2xSoFaI
Lands (18)
4xTomb
4xCity
10xMountain
I assume the reason hes not run is because most people are looking for a creature with some kind of nifty effect as opposed to some big beater. Realistically, he has no real drawbacks since nearly every list runs: 4 CotV, 2-4 3sphere, 4 Revoker, 4 Mox, 2-4 equipment. Add in 4 Great Furnace and you could easily justify him. Not to mention the fact that his 4R is a tad easier to cast rather than Sloggers 3RR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prkchpsndwiches
Forlorn Egoist
porkschopsandwiches, why run sword of body and mind over fire and ice? pro green? Sword of body and mind has nearly useless abilities
Also, mountain yeti is an awesome find, unblockable beater immune to most removal! Not sure if it can cut it though.
Covetous Dragon should absolutely be tested. especially since it can go toe-to-toe with abyssal persecutor and has a potentially smaller drawback.
mountain yeti is a 4-off right now. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Regarding SoBaM:
Most people who play it seem to love it. I own one, so buying one is cheaper than buying two SoFaI... especially while it is hitting its peak price-wise: $100(2 SoFaI) vs $14(1 SoBaM). I totally understand running SoFaI though. I have to borrow the Cities so if my buddies have some spare SoFaI, I may run them.
I'll run the Covetous this tourney and let you guys know my thoughts.
Current list is now:
// Creatures
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Covetous Dragon
// Spells
4 Blood Moon
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
4 Trinisphere
2 Sword of Body and Mind
2 Umezawa's Jitte
// Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Great Furnace
6 Mountain
Also, I definitely need some SB help! Decks I expect are:
Dredge/Reanimator/Merfolk(Mono U)/Burn/CB Thropter/Belcher and maybe a Isochron-Chant deck.
Thanks in advance!
Good job on the new primer- I believe that there is quite a few ways to innovate given the new set of cards released over the last year (namely revoker and sword of body and mind). Here are the links to the tournament reports I wrote after the Chicago GP. Hopefully they give some more insight into the archetype. Keep on brewing!
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...-Chicago-Top-8
http://www.mtgoacademy.com/going-for...lassic-format/
I'll post an updated list once I've tested a bit on MTGO.
@ Prkchpsndwiches:
In regards to the GY-based strategies the standard x4 Tormod's Crypt is pretty much the best way to go. Moon effects are essentially a gg vs. Dredge as they run no basics so although they can dredge you essentially force them to rely on their draw step for dredging and possibly an LED for their only mana source. I've pretty much never encountered Reanimator so I don't have any personal experience with it.
If you're expecting a heavy Merfolk-meta then you may want 3-4 Spinal Villain in the SB in addition to 3-4 of either Flametongue Kavu or Pyrokinesis. For SBing I typically take out some moon effects and 4 CotV. Yeah, they have Vial to get through 3phere, but they also have various counterspells which 3sphere makes far less amazing.
As for Belcher, we already pack a decent amount of hate for them. Similar argument for CB-Thopter. If you want to go overkill then 3 Null Rod essentially shuts down at least 1 card in every Legacy deck so I doubt you'll find a MU where it can't do something.
As for the Quinn MU it's been forever in a day since I've played against it. Moon effects aren't quite so fantastic so you'll want to SB some out but remember that Quinn's main form of CA is Scrying Sheets so be sure to leave some in. Revoker/Pithing/Null all hit the Scepter-lock. If you're expecting to run into this MU I would consider boarding in either Powder Keg or Ratchet Bomb for Ensnaring Bridge. Note there is a relevance to which one you pick in this particular MU. If they can afford it they do tend to run Moat so Bomb would be better, however I've also seen many builds MD Disenchant or SB it in so tapping Ratchet for that charge counter can actually work against you as they'll destroy it before it untaps. Anarchy is also an option for removing general annoyances like Elspeth, Moat, and tokens (I think they still run Decree of Justice as a win-con).
Sorry I can't provide better SB options but my meta for the past few months has been nothing but Enchantress, Bant, and Rock/Deadguy so I'm kinda lacking diversity right now. ^^'
Forlorn Egoist
Thanks for the info Forlorn!!
I thin I'll be running this SB:
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Anarchy
3 Ratchet Bomb
3 Stingscourger
2 Mountain Yeti/Flametounge Kavu
I figure sting can hit both reanimator(barring it's not iona) and show and tell decks. I really like spinal villain. I even ordered some, but I think it may be too narrow. Maybe once I get the feel for the meta better. I feel like Kavu could come in vs. a lot of decks, but Yeti just seems soo sexy. ;)
EDIT: Decided on this:
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Anarchy
3 Ratchet Bomb
2 Stingscourger
2 Flametounge Kavu
1 Fortune Thief
I'm sorry, I believe that Covetous Dragon has already been tested extensively. Maybe the results will prove promising this time around.
I'm interested to test Revoker. Although, I'm a really big fan of setting chalice at two and Revoker is harder to pitch away (see Gathan Raiders).
I've also had my eye on Aether Flash for a while unfortunately it's worthless once Merfolk get one of their lords in play ahead of time.
Glad to see that the new thread is taking off. I believe that we'll see the R2 bomb we've been hoping for soon.
Covetous Dragon is being suggested for the "flex," 5th spot in the deck. 4 RPD/Simian/Gathan/RPD is essentially standard but those last 1-2 spots are typically up for personal preference. Most people go with Slogger whereas I choose Lord of SP. Covetous is a perfectly resonably creature to run in that spot. 4R for a 6/5 with a somewhat neglible side-effect isn't horrible but it also doesn't do anything insanely amazing for the deck. I myself am actually considering returning to MDing 1-2 RKroma.
While I understand your reluctance to run Revoker for that Chalice @ 2 situation, realistically you should think about how often you actually have the conveinance to set Chalice @ 2 or even the need to do such. Majority of the time Chalice @ 1 does what you need it to do, and Revoker opens you up to hate on a larger selection of cards that you know will be harmful to you (Pridemage/KotR/Jace 2.0) or even something as simple as naming Hierarch.
Forlorn Egoist