There's already Sanctuary / Witch's cottage to really get this going.
Is there a good 2 mana draw spell? Something you can ppunish by Cottage your Bowmaster into?
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There's already Sanctuary / Witch's cottage to really get this going.
Is there a good 2 mana draw spell? Something you can ppunish by Cottage your Bowmaster into?
lol haven't Accumulated Knowledge players suffered enough?
Lol with this you can win counter wars with Brainstorm putting FoW to TOP OF LIBRARY instead of hand.
In other words, Brainstorm puts 3 new cards in hand, 1 back, and Force their Force for free (cast from top of library and you don't have to draw through it)
Vs
Brainstorm replaces itself (2 cards back), and you discard 2 cards from hand to FoW
Not sure cottage is the play since to abuse any of the balances you need the instant speed library manipulation, unless you're just predicting what opponent will cast. Additionally, cottage seems rough with the RR cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
The "Instant speed library manipulation" requirement is simply a fetchland. That's why I brought them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Witches Cottage isn't good enough in most decks, but Mystic Sanctuary is.
It's good enough to splash some 2-mana counters so you can Sanctuary a 2cmc answer on top to counter things like: Bowmasters, Beanstalk, Prismatic Ending X=2, Counterbalance, Powerbalance, Animate Dead/Exhume, Chalice @ 1, Stoneforge, etc.
Jeskai can also run Hall of Heliod's Generosity. UR can run Academy Ruins. Grixis can run Volrath's Stronghold.
You think it's good enough to get cute with?
I just figured play a normal curve and generate value, especially in multiples, maybe with fetches to shuffle misses between triggers.
Getting a Bowmaster in response to their Bowmaster isn't a useful interaction, not sure what kind of shell you're considering though.
Only in the right deck. I'm considering it in Jeskai control, which could play it for regular value midgame and then runaway with control lategame with tricks like fetch-> Mystic Sanctuary or a 1-of Hall of Heliod. Grixis Control could try the same thing with Volrath's Stronghold (if there were enough playable value creatures). Those decks can also just play Counterbalance though, and the RR is harder to support, so it's a wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateKing
The faster decks considering it (Burn, Delver) probably can't afford to get cute, just jam it for value and hope to get 1-3 free spells from it. Delver could still run the 1-of Mystic Sanctuary. Those decks also sometimes have Counterbalance in the 75.
That's going to be the biggest problem. The decks that can best use it have to evaluate whether they'd rather play a UU Counterbalance that's easier to cast with Islands and pitches to Force.
Maybe some aggressive RG deck can use it creatively with Worldly Tutor.
As far as maintaining card neutral or even card positive, Mystic Sanctuary is fine, you fetch in response the the trigger and get a guaranteed spell, though what though?
I guess floating a Lórien Revealed in response to a Force of Will is the dream scenario, but would you crack your fetch just to get a free Ponder? Once you're card negative to cast a free spell it's not free anymore, so unless the hoops jumped through are worth that extra effort, I don't think we're valuating the card the same way.
Like sure, Show and Tell is card negative, but Emrakul. Reanimate is card negative, but Atraxa. You're on a RG deck with Worldly Tutor, what CMC spell do you see casting it in response, and what card are you getting? Some 2-3 drop? Off a 2 mana enchantment seems very low value.
The benefit over Counterbalance is this is proactive instead of defensive and works in multiples. Decks that have a pile of spells they want to cast in just about any situation would benefit the most. Not just because Burn is red, the goal of the deck fits extremely well into what Powerbalance is offering.
Optioning underwhelming lands just to cheese stuff to the top of the library involves your opponent playing along with what you're trying to do, and limits your options to CMCs they're already playing in the first place. If your deck is 1-2 CMC, then just casting the spells is the same value for no effort. If it's some kind of Bean breaker and your deck has Blightsteel to get them off Scion of Draco, well, now your deck has Blightsteel in it, what are we even doing?
I'm not up to what Jeskai Control is now, I could definitely see the temptation to get a free Lórien Revealed off their Force, or maybe a cheeky Swords when they Ponder. If you're on SFM, then sneaking a Batterskull off a Force of Will or Kaldra off Murktide is live in conjunction with Brainstorm, but these are plays with existing, established options that require less setup and less failcases.
This red enchantment seems really bad but I am interested in excuses to ban Sanctuary
Top candidates are:Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateKing
1) Opponent Forces your spell, you put Force on top to counter back. Your spell resolves & opponent 2-for-1d (spent 2 cards on Force, you spent 1 on Powerbalance & still have it)
2) Opponent Forces/Solitudes your threat, you put Lorien on top. Your threat is answered but you're way ahead on cards.
3) Opponent plays 1cmc, free Brainstorm (also setting up future cmcs for better odds)
Any URx deck can run those lines without jumping through hoops. Instant manipulation: 1 Mystic Sanctuary in the 60, 4 Brainstorm, 1-2 Surveil duals.
You're not forced to crack for Ponder. Mystic Sanctuary never had to get Ponder unless you were topdecking and had literally nothing better to do.
So I was picturing the Jeskai decks that were already optioning 1 Hall of Heliod's Generosity for stuff like Shark Typhoon. You wouldn't force a conditional land and extra enchantments just to support Powerbalance. But if a deck is already doing those shenanigans, Powerbalance slides in at low cost. Unfortunately you'd need to be 4c to put Beans on top with Heliod, and Beans outclasses most other draw engines (so it's hard to justify being non-Beans).Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateKing
Some builds already support Counterbalance (Predict). That's another easy shell to try it in without forcing.
There seem to be better option in URx, but what about burn, either SB or MD?
You do not need more setup than fetches (already played), a one-mana leaning curve, and perhaps a one-of surveil dual.
I guess Life from the Loam combined with eggs could be a way to recycle lands and fill the graveyard and then Thassa's Oracle wins, but it's graveyard-dependent and a little tricky to bootstrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Counterbalance actually stops what your opponent is doing and is easier to set up and still sees basically no play. Why would I want to commit to double red to just do some random things? If my opponent casts some game breaking two drop against Counterbalance and I hit another Counterbalance, that can win me the game. What do I care if I just flip another stupid power balance and get to durdle some more while they go off?Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Like Counterbalance is obviously the card that pairs better with any top manipulation and is legal
The missing card in the Counter-Top strategy is Top, not Counterbalance
Feels weird to have to say this tbh
That goes without say. I already said above that it competes with Counterbalance in the same shells and Counterbalance is usually better (and sees play).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=htt...f376d60d1.jpeg
2WW
Instant - Rare
You may sacrifice a nontoken white creature rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Until end of turn, your life total can't change, and permanents you control gain hexproof and indestructible.
. . . . can you just ad nauseum as much as you like with this?
https://i.redd.it/i6uuf376d60d1.jpegQuote:
Originally Posted by Cire
reddit images suck but so does this ancient forum source code.
Saccing a whit creature to combo seems not like something one wants to do.
This looks more like an "oh shit"-button so that people can keep overextending into wrath effects.
You canQuote:
Originally Posted by Cire
I imagine that burn would sleeve up Eidolon of the Great Revel and Pyrostatic Pillar first.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
https://mythicspoiler.com/mh3/cards/...sunsealing.jpg
This card is broken. Surely we agree that Myr Enforcer should not be a zero0mana Ancestral Recal?
Draw 3 is for casual players. Thought Monitorx4 Nulldrifterx4
Murktide Regent just gained Beans 5-8
turn 2 Beans, turn 3 this, turn 4 Murktide Regent, aw shoot, too many cards in hand, move to discard
such is life
This is the first card I've seen from this set that I think is going to get banned somewhere. I put together a theoretical Modern shell for it, and I think there's even more stupid things you can do in Legacy thanks to real artifact lands + better win conditions and FOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
4 Kozilek's Unsealing
4 Chromatic Star
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Frogmite
4 Myr Enforcer
4 Nulldrifter
4 Sojourner's Companion
4 Thought Monitor
4 Pact of Negation
19x Artifact Lands
2x Boseiju
3x Win condition (Grapeshot? Empty the Warrens?)
one of the leaks is Myr enforcer number 3 (that can be played for R as a frogmite)
so 12 enforcers.
Plus modern is getting sol lands (and in legacy, we just already have sol lands)
Plus the frogmites of the world with lotus petal and mox opal say you can even maybe cast two of these badboys and draw 6.
Draw your deck. Win with Thoracle.
E:
4 Kozilek's Unsealing
4 Myr Enforcer
4 Sojourner's Companion
4 Forgmite Myr Enforcer
4 Barricade Breaker
4 Frogmite
2 Mycosynth Golem
4 Thought Monitor
1 Thoracle
4 Springleaf Drum
4 Lotus Petal
4 Mox Opal
Not even counting the cuter freebies like Pride of Hull Clade or Improvise
In Legacy you don't even need to go full combo. 8cast/Blue Stompy is going to be nasty.
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Seat of the Synod
4 Urza's Saga
2 City of Traitors
2 Tolarian Academy V2
4 Lotus Petal
4 Mox Opal
4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Force of Will
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Kozilek's Unsealing
4 Simulacrum Synthesizer
4 Frogmite
4 Thought Monitor
4 Sojourner's Companion
4 Nulldrifter
What is the Tolarian Academy V2? Something else spoiled I missed?
A leaked land has "U, T: Your next [artifact?] spell (all spells this turn?) gains improvise"Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateKing
Archway of InnovationQuote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-cont...Innovation.jpg
Unsealing...
8 Bean control?
Thought Monitor draw 5? Is anyone playing UG 8-Cast with Beans already?
Seems like this is the first card that will truly cause a lot of disruption to the meta.
Do nothing at first enchantment?
If you held a spell you'll get first priority to trigger it after it resolves so I wouldn't call it "do nothing"
Yeah...I guess that's assuming you play it off curve and hold up mana to get some value which isn't a hard ask to be sure.
Hold up mana?
Myr enforcer is ~free~
How are you going to support FoW if you only have itself, Thought Monitor and Simulacrum Synthesizer to pitch? Unsealing has devoid, thus you can't pitch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
The starting question is probably going to be if Monitor/Nulldrifter/Unsealing by themselves are enough to keep going or if you should play Beans as well.
Fair :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
I was thinking more for a Thought Monitor.
I wonder if this plus Beans can create a situation where the majority of the rest of the deck is all pitch and delve spells. Is there some clever way to utilize all the dorks that get created with the 5 CMC trigger on Unsealing?
Full combo some combination of these:Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Up the Beanstalk
Kozilek's Unsealing
Glimpse of Nature
Frogmyr Enforcer
Thought Monitor
Sojourner's Companion
Ornithopter
Memnite
Thassa's Oracle
Lotus Petal
Mox Opal
Mishra's Bauble
Are there any good ways to give mass haste aside from Concordant Crossroads? A plan B if you can't get to Thoracle would be nice and swinging with a bunch of fatties asap sounds good enough.
Is there still some room for this guy?Quote:
Imskir Iron-Eater 6BR
Legendary Creature - Demon (R)
Affinity for artifacts
When Imskir Iron-Eater enters the battlefield, you draw X cards and you lose X life, where X is half the number of artifacts you control, rounded down.
3R, Sacrifice an artifact: Imskir deals damage to any target equal to the sacrificed artifact’s mana value.
5/5
Also MDFC with lands on the back return.
Some even have 2 colors + etb tapped on the back.
Why spend 2 mana for a fuck ton of cards and die when you can spend 0 mana and draw a ton of cards and liveQuote:
Originally Posted by Zoid