[Deck] TES - The EPIC Storm

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Originally Posted by APriestOfGix

I 100% agree, we NEED 3 EtW, it just swings games. Also with only 1 Tendrils main now, i think it's better to have the extra win conditions. Although i do see bryants point, and EtW could be not so hot with Bob's...

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ETW is overrated right now, I won two games out of nineteen games. Both of the games I burning Wished for Warrens. I didn't even need one maindeck. The card is so easily answered in the current metagame, do why run three? I never win with the card, I'd rather wait a turn and go off via Tendrils. Also, with Dark Confidant in the deck winning with Tendrils is a million times easier.

As for Grim tutor it never can net you mana. It only breaks even with LED, in which you have to discard your hand after investing 1BB into a tutor. If you can cast Grim tutor for LED you're probably in a win-more situation. As for tutoring for bombs, 3BBBB for Ill-Gotten Gains is terrible and 3BBUU for Diminishing Returns? Please. That should be the end of the arguement there. Not to mention the life loss actually does matter with Cities, Dark Confidant/Plunge/Contract effects.

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Originally Posted by wastedlife

Not to mention the life loss actually does matter with Cities, Dark Confidant/Plunge/Contract effects.

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You run it in lue of the mentioned cards.

I'll try less EtW's see how it goes...

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Originally Posted by APriestOfGix

You run it in lue of the mentioned cards.

I'll try less EtW's see how it goes...

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It's definitly a lot better than Grim Tutor, Dark Confidant actually provides and advantage. Grim tutor can never do that. Less Empty the Warrens is good because they always die. I rarely win with the card anymore.

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Originally Posted by wastedlife

It's definitly a lot better than Grim Tutor, Dark Confidant actually provides and advantage. Grim tutor can never do that. Less Empty the Warrens is good because they always die. I rarely win with the card anymore.

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Warrens is fine in my current meta, but this isn't true for all. Right now there are 2 decks packing Deeds, and one of those two decks(Landstill) also has Engineered Explosives.

I'd always been a fan of Confidant, but he fell off the radar some time ago, so I kept the board to a more standardized list. Cutting ETW to 1 makes the chance of nailing a 4cc much less with him. Plunge had been good to me often, but has also been randomly unreliable(and a bad draw when you end up with 5 life after aggressively Plunging into nothing).

I'm not sold on 2 Abeyance in the main. If you didn't have them there, what would be in their place?

Grats on your win. Good luck with the lady situation.

Great result wastedlife!

But I don't like your change and I don't understand why all people now use maindeck confidant. :confused: :cool:

I use confidant in side from many months, but I think we can't use them maindeck like some decks do in vintage. This because:
1- 4orim+4confidant+2abeyance = more probability that your diminishing returns flizzes in the 7 cards you draw to combo.
2- confidant has the same problem of xantid. Now all use orim. Why? Because with xantid maindeck, the opponent's StP / FireIce / Smother / fanatic have an utility. And I don't like to do: rfg ssg, tap land for first turn confidant when my opponent plays fanatic or bolt in response. We do a 1x2. No good. Ok if confidant stays into play 2+ turns is great. But at this point perhaps it was better if instead of confidant we have into play a xantid that protects combo.

I don't say that confidant is bad. I say only that is a side card to play against pikula or ugw thresh or stax.

I don't understand another thing: why a week ago all play 3 EtW and now, on the wave of success of wastedlife, all reduce their EtW to 1. :confused: :cool:
I play 1 EtW maindeck and 1 in side like I say in my last post. This because the metagame evolves and finds response to 10+ first turn gobbos.

@chokin: instead of abeyance you can try duress or xantid. I prefer to mantain only 4 protections and use 2 more slots for setup cards, but I can change my opinion. Sure I don't put more than 6 protections.

so i'm running Bryants list (main deck) -2 Aybence +2 EtW, or My list (main) -2 Grim -2 Cabal +4 Bob.

The side board needs work now, but i'm running 4 Aybaence in the board.

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Originally Posted by jegger

Great result wastedlife!

But I don't like your change and I don't understand why all people now use maindeck confidant. :confused: :cool:

I use confidant in side from many months, but I think we can't use them maindeck like some decks do in vintage. This because:
1- 4orim+4confidant+2abeyance = more probability that your diminishing returns flizzes in the 7 cards you draw to combo.

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If you cast Orim's Chant or Abeyance, you can simply fetch IGG and win instead of trying to lucksack with a draw7.

SB Abeyance seems awful, I SB Orim's Chant just because Xantid Swarm is more mana efficient, but if people want to SB another disruption card, then SB Xantid Swarm instead. If the opponent sees MD Orim's Chant, then he's going to SB out his removal, so Xantid Swarm has no draw back. Abeyance is a clunky card, even in the MD.

I also think you should have access to 4 Empty the Warrens regardless of whether or not you split them between the MD or the SB. You really don't need the Shattering Sprees now that Goblins are gone(ish).

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Originally Posted by BreathWeapon

I also think you should have access to 4 Empty the Warrens regardless of whether or not you split them between the MD or the SB. You really don't need the Shattering Sprees now that Goblins are gone(ish).

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The metagame here still has chalice aggro and Eternal Garden (Trinisphere and Chalice).

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Originally Posted by BreathWeapon

SB Abeyance seems awful, I SB Orim's Chant just because Xantid Swarm is more mana efficient, but if people want to SB another disruption card, then SB Xantid Swarm instead. If the opponent sees MD Orim's Chant, then he's going to SB out his removal, so Xantid Swarm has no draw back. Abeyance is a clunky card, even in the MD.

I also think you should have access to 4 Empty the Warrens regardless of whether or not you split them between the MD or the SB. You really don't need the Shattering Sprees now that Goblins are gone(ish).

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Chalice of the Void is still floating around in some decks.

Why the hell would you ever want more than 1 ETW in the board? I think 2 in the MD are good, I play 3 for high chance of first turn Warrens for 10+. I don't like seeing more than 2 in a game though. Maybe I'll trim it back to 2.

Xantid Swarm takes a turn to activate. Abeyance replaces itself :laughs: Dark Confidant is really good if you take him out after game 1 and they leave in their removal. Or if you leave him in and they leave in removal to deal with him. That means they're going to have to take something else out for SB tech.

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Originally Posted by chokin

Chalice of the Void is still floating around in some decks.

Why the hell would you ever want more than 1 ETW in the board? I think 2 in the MD are good, I play 3 for high chance of first turn Warrens for 10+. I don't like seeing more than 2 in a game though. Maybe I'll trim it back to 2.

Xantid Swarm takes a turn to activate. Abeyance replaces itself :laughs: Dark Confidant is really good if you take him out after game 1 and they leave in their removal. Or if you leave him in and they leave in removal to deal with him. That means they're going to have to take something else out for SB tech.

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So you can SB them in and out based on how the opponent SBs out his removal. You essentially wait until game two to either take advantage of them SBing out their removal and then SB them back out in game three to take advantage of them SBing their removal back in. Basically, you're just trying to maximize your dead card advantage against them thru' out the match. I use to do it with SI a lot, it worked out fairly well.

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Originally Posted by BreathWeapon

So you can SB them in and out based on how the opponent SBs out his removal. You essentially wait until game two to either take advantage of them SBing out their removal and then SB them back out in game three to take advantage of them SBing their removal back in. Basically, you're just trying to maximize your dead card advantage against them thru' out the match. I use to do it with SI a lot, it worked out fairly well.

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Why? You can competely not worry about sideboarding games when you can just run Abeyance. No more of this, "I wonder if he'll sideboard out Swords?" crap. You can just resolve Abeyance/Chant and win.

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Originally Posted by wastedlife

Why? You can competely not worry about sideboarding games when you can just run Abeyance. No more of this, "I wonder if he'll sideboard out Swords?" crap. You can just resolve Abeyance/Chant and win.

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Because Abeyance is inefficient, I want to drop Xantid Swarm, draw the Force of Will and then go "all in" before Meddling Mage, Gaddock Teeg or Counterbalance hits. I really don't like playing Orim's Chant or Abeyance on less than 15 lands, but then again I'm more of a Diminishing Returns/Empty the Warrens kind of guy, which requires efficient disruption like Xantid Swarm/Pyroblast. It really depends on whether or not your the kind of guy that likes to press the opponent until he gives you an opening or just sit back and win with Tendrils.

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Originally Posted by BreathWeapon

Because Abeyance is inefficient, I want to drop Xantid Swarm, draw the Force of Will and then go "all in" before Meddling Mage, Gaddock Teeg or Counterbalance hits. I really don't like playing Orim's Chant or Abeyance on less than 15 lands, but then again I'm more of a Diminishing Returns/Empty the Warrens kind of guy, which requires efficient disruption like Xantid Swarm/Pyroblast. It really depends on whether or not your the kind of guy that likes to press the opponent until he gives you an opening or just sit back and win with Tendrils.

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I really like EtW, IGG, and Tendrils.

I personally never go for DReturns unless i HAVE to since i have fizzled SO many times on it. For some god-forsaken reason i draw like 1 protection spell and 3 LED then 3 Rituals, and ZERO tutors, or a brain storm in there into MORE mana!

I'm curious whether there are alternatives for Abeyance since they somehow suck... Yesterday I was playtesting with my friend playing NQG, and I lost 3 times (!!!) because Abeyance costs 2 and there was not enough mana left to go for Tendrils/EtW.

I have a suggestion that I have a feeling isn't going to go over very well... but I'm going to put it out here anways. Mystical tutor.

Now before you slam that reply button and flame me to death, I know that this has been suggested many times before, and I know it never worked, but I think that it's inclusion is more justifed right now than ever before, most likely in the Abeyance slot as a 2-of. Here are the reasons that I thought up besides the old "it can find almost any card necessary to go off, aka tutors, acceleration, storm machines, or win conditions"...

1. It can find Orim's Chant. Like many of you I don't love Abeyance's CC of 2, yet I believe that 6 chant effects are necessary to consistently beat aggro control. Mystical tutor can find the 1st or 2nd chant that you need so you don't have to worry about having to pay 2 to chant the opponent.

2. It is really good with Bob. Getting low on life? Just Mystical for a Brainstorm EOT and ease your life loss a bit. Bob also helps mitigate the card disadvantage that we all know mystical causes. Finally, if you need to tutor for a 4cc card and Bob is on the field, you can always mystical in your upkeep after Bob's ability has resolved... at least I think you can.

So yeah. Think about it before you yell at me people. I really think that Mystical as a 2 of instead of Abeyance could make the deck more consistent and more powerful in general.

Kronicler

I would rather cut off my balls than play Mystical tutor. It's card disadvantage in a combo deck that requires you to wait a turn, It doesn't grab the best card in the deck (Lion's Eye Diamond), and it's blue which makes it harder to cast while casting other spells. On the other hand, you don't have to wait a turn for Abeyance, it replaces itself, stops activiated abilities, and is great countermagic bait. I'm sorry for being stubborn about Mystical Tutor but it seems people aren't letting Abeyance have a run for it's money. We've all tested Mystical to death and the card has never been up to par. Sorry if this came off rude.

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Originally Posted by wastedlife

I would rather cut off my balls than play Mystical tutor. It's card disadvantage in a combo deck that requires you to wait a turn, It doesn't grab the best card in the deck (Lion's Eye Diamond), and it's blue which makes it harder to cast while casting other spells. On the other hand, you don't have to wait a turn for Abeyance, it replaces itself, stops activiated abilities, and is great countermagic bait. I'm sorry for being stubborn about Mystical Tutor but it seems people aren't letting Abeyance have a run for it's money. We've all tested Mystical to death and the card has never been up to par. Sorry if this came off rude.

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QTF, Mystical SUCKS!

it's like when my friend said to run Lim Dul's Vault over Plunge. "Well it cost's almost the same, and finds you 5 cards, for less life" Me: "Really? it also has U in the cost, and put the cards on the library instead of you hand!"

(BTW what does QTF stand for?)

I like the EtW in the last 2 slots, nobody seems to think storm combo is viable, and have stopped packing EE's main.

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Originally Posted by APriestOfGix

QTF, Mystical SUCKS!

it's like when my friend said to run Lim Dul's Vault over Plunge. "Well it cost's almost the same, and finds you 5 cards, for less life" Me: "Really? it also has U in the cost, and put the cards on the library instead of you hand!"

(BTW what does QTF stand for?)

I like the EtW in the last 2 slots, nobody seems to think storm combo is viable, and have stopped packing EE's main.

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EE is just a nice bonus against storm como. EE is against Chalice, Zombie Tokens, and the infinite retarded 2cc creature slots that U/x aggro control can play.

Edit: you mean QFT which means Quoted for Truth.

The problem with putting 2 more ETW in the main is that Bob has a much higher chance of hitting a 4cc card. That seems reallllly bad.

Kronicler