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Ive seen the list and it looks like fun. I just havent tested that one. Ive beentryi g to get a GBW list to work since i just love Restoration angel. And eventhought Reveillark is not the best its still hilariously fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZimAshe
Rector+moat is still strong. The only downside to that is opposing delvers and the low number of flyiers in the list ;)
But by all means post the results. Maybe it will good enough to play (since its a small tourney anyway with like <20 ppl)
Woo -- celebratory page 300 post. Content in the morning =D
While White has a couple of good one-offs blue has two good four-offs in Brainstorm and Baleful Strix. They give stability to the deck. Blue also has some great one-offs in Archmage and Phantasmal Image.Quote:
Originally Posted by XdeckX
That would imply that the blue podlists are 'better' than the white lists. That would greatly depend on the Meta I guess. If there would be allot of combo the blue version would be better without a doubt. In a 'fair deck' meta the white version might be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tao
But I must admit I didnt get enough practise to run a podlist (or I would have a list of CMC creatures next to me) :)
So I guess I'll be going with ScapeWish this time (last time I played PunishingFit and got 3rd for a wasteland+fbb bolt)
Since I dont expect allot of combo so the 2 maindeck Slaughter Games might be better switched to 2 abrupt decays. That would require a rebuild of the sideboard but thats about it :)
I would snap-buy all of that. The Zenith mostly because I need it, the Foothills because I like shiny German things, and because that's an incredible steal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHerC
Let me put it this way. Moderately player German foil Foothills are $200 on SCG. At most dealer booths you'll find NM English foil Foothills for 140-160, so NM German should be expected to be somewhere around 250-300. There was a German foil Windswept Heath floating around the GP for 375.
-shrug-. The Nic Fit thread is doing what the Nic Fit thread does. We're all talking about Scapewish atm because that's what had the best showing in DC (aside from CCrazies's Punishing list). The conversation is already starting to shift back to Pod, though. Give a few pages, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by XdeckX
Nah. Don't plug them into an existing version. This would be a new Jund variety.Quote:
Originally Posted by hymntotourcock
I would run both Deed and Deluge. I also wouldn't run Punishing Grove because of FtA, and because with Deed and Deluge (and possibly Decay, as well) you shouldn't need it. FtA is strong against 90% of legacy decks in the same way that Veteran Explorer is. They just don't run a lot of basics. Also, half the time, if they do run a few, your Vets will suck them out of their deck before FtA resolves, which means that FtA is basically 1-sided Geddon. FtA is fine vs Deathblade, Esperblade, Shardless, Jund, UWR, RUG, etc etc. Basically every non-combo deck you could expect to face. You can cast it into a disadvantageous board state, too, since it means that they won't be able to protect that board state should it resolve. Like if there's a Delver and a Goyf in play, okay, sure -- you've shut down their Spell Pierces, Dazes, Brainstorms, Ponders, Bolts, etc. You can suck 6-8 and then stabilize the field next turn. Or do it in reverse order. I dunno. It's all very theoretical at the moment.
Always more results! I firmly believe that one of the reasons that the Nic Fit community is so strong is that we provide data on virtually everything, analyze it, and make changes from that standpoint. I mean, we had 3 incredibly long / well-written tournament reports from DC. Looking around at other threads on Source, most of them are -lucky- if they got a single report. Our ability and willingness to assimilate data is one of our strongest suits.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZimAshe
I would consider taking the From the Ashes / floater spot, and the Reverent Silence, and making them the pair of Slaughter Games, if you're cutting them from maindeck. I wouldn't drop Carpet, REB, or Thoughtseize at the moment -- all are pretty important.Quote:
Originally Posted by XdeckX
As for Pods, I think that we really need is a "Master List" of playable Pod creatures, sorted by color, and then by CMC. Once we have that list, we could then realistically start rebuilding Pod for every single event based on expected metagame. Just take (core shell) and then tune (spot X) (spot Y) (spot Z) etc based on the metagame.
I'll see if I can get something up on that by the end of the day.
I can help with this, but it depends heavily on what you want the pod deck to do, like a Glittering Wish Pod list is not going to be similar to Rec-Pod list or "combo" pod list despite all list being GWBQuote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Didn't make it to DC but I've been testing Pod a bit more. Still seems pretty solid to me. Like people have said, any Explorer deck with Pernicious Deed seems good in a True-Name Nemesis format. Playing white starts to look more appealing than blue if the format is a bunch of true-name decks, since you get a better grind it out game and you get Orzhov Pontiff to answer True-Name. I had the first game ever on Monday where I had 2 active Pods and couldn't win. I couldn't beat a True-Name with a sword of feast and famine + Jitte. However, I had messed up by Podding for Eternal Witness too soon, and didn't have it available later in the game to return a Pernicious Deed that got countered. Anyways, here's how I'd run the BUG list if you're interested:
4 Baleful Strix
1 Acidic Slime
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Grave Titan
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Phantasmal Image
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Shriekmaw
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Thragtusk
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deceiver Exarch
3 Forest
1 Island
2 Swamp
2 Bayou
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
3 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Birthing Pod
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Green Sun's Zenith
Sideboard
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Wickerbough Elder
3 Riptide Pilferer
1 Pernicious Deed
2 Envelop
4 Force of Will
1 Golgari Charm
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Abrupt Decay
I tried out Phyrexian Revoker and Surgical Extraction and wasn't that impressed with either of them. One card I've been thinking about is Aetherling over Grave Titan. Getting your Grave Titan STP'd stinks. Aetherling's a higher mana investment but it will never die, cannot be chump-blocked, and the 2/2 zombies haven't usually been that relevant, though my memory isn't perfect there.
Also considered testing out the Melira Combo in there. If you were to do that, I'd go -1 Brainstorm, -1 Deceiver Exarch, -1 Deathrite, +1 Melira, +1 Green Sun's Zenith, +1 Varolz, the Scar-Striped.
I don't even like Varolz that much in the deck, but I would go with it because it's the only sacrifice outlet you can GSZ to get. Also having it be at 3 mana is kinda cool cause there's a lot of 2 drops you can Pod away. I wouldn't fault you for going with Bloodthrone Vampire or Dimir House Guard though.
Yeah I tested melira a bit in thune fit and it turns out the 3-card combo is really hard to assemble. Pod doesn't help with that. I guess brainstorm could make it more consistent but for the most part melira will be dead.
Vouch for Aetherling. I've been starting to sideboard 1 of that guy in long-game blue control decks (BUGStill etc) as a control breaker. It wins, hard.
Add to this list if you see something I missed, guys -- or if you have something you believe should be on the list and is more contentious, bring it up. I'm sure I missed a bunch -- this is just version 1.0.
1:
Green
Veteran Explorer
Starved Rusalka
Noble Hierarch
Birds of Paradise
Black
Viscera Seer
White
Weathered Wayfarer
Red
Grim Lavamancer
Blue
Multi
Deathrite Shaman
Artifact
2:
Green
Strangleroot Geist
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Viridian Emissary
Lotus Cobra
Wall of Blossoms
Sylvan Ranger
Scavenging Ooze
Tarmogoyf
Black
Dark Confidant (ehh?)
White
Stoneforge Mystic
Wall of Omens
Ethersworn Canonist
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Grand Abolisher
Red
Blue
Snapcaster Mage (ehh?)
Phantasmal Image
Riptide Pilferer
Multi
Baleful Strix
Gaddock Teeg
Voice of Resurgence
Qasali Pridemage
Artifact
Perilous Myr
Spellskite
Painter's Servant
3:
Green
Eternal Witness
Wood Elves
Spike Feeder
Black
White
Aven Mindcensor
Red
Imperial Recruiter
Blue
Trinket Mage
Vendilion Clique
Pestermite
Deceiver Exarch
Multi
Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Kitchen Finks
Fulminator Mage
Orzhov Pontiff
Loxodon Smiter
Sin Collector
Harmonic Sliver
Artifact
4:
Green
Thrun, the Successful Troll
Master of the Wild Hunt
Wickerbough Elder
Black
Skinrender
Mindslicer
White
Academy Rector
Hero of Bladehold
Restoration Angel
Ranger of Eos
Linvala, Keeper of Silence
Red
Hero of Oxid Ridge
Hellrider
Avalanche Riders
Blue
Glen Elendra Archmage
Phyrexian Metamorph* (kind of)
Sower of Temptation
Multi
Murderous Redcap
Huntmaster of the Fells
Olivia Voldaren
Mycoid Shepherd
Loxodon Hierarch
Artifact
Solemn Simulacrum
5:
Green
Thragtusk
Deranged Hermit
Black
Bloodgift Demon
Shriekmaw
White
Baneslayer Angel
Archon of Justice
Reveillark
Archangel of Thune
Red
Urabrask, the Hidden
Zealous Conscripts
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror-Breaker
Blue
Body Double
Multi
Sigarda, Host of Herons
Havengul Lich
Artifact
Precursor Golem
6:
Green
Primeval Titan
Soul of the Harvest
Black
Harvester of Souls
Grave Titan
White
Sun Titan
Red
Inferno Titan
Blue
Frost Titan
Deadeye Navigator
Aetherling
Multi
Broodmate Dragon
Dragon Broodmother
Dragonlair Spider
Progenitor Mimic
Artifact
Wurmcoil Engine
Steel Hellkite
7:
Green
Avenger of Zendikar
Black
Sheoldred, Whispering One
White
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Red
Blue
Multi
Angel of Despair
Artifact
Myr Battlesphere
8:
Green
Black
Griselbrand
White
Red
Blue
Multi
Ashen Rider
Artifact
Platinum Emperion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
A solid list. Here's some others that could be added:
2:
Black
Mesmeric Fiend
Artifact
Phyrexian Revoker
Green
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Multicolor:
Tidehollow Sculler
3:
Black
Bone Shredder
Fleshbag Marauder
Green
Viridian Shaman/Uktabi Orangutan
Blue
True-Name Nemesis (herpaderp)
Sea Gate Oracle (I wasn't impressed with this when I played it)
Man O' War
4:
Black
Soul Snuffers (for when you're really desperate to kill a True-Name Nemesis)
5:
Green
Acidic Slime
6:
Black
Massacre Wurm
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by GtF
I'm putting this list in a document on Google Drive, and linking it in my sig. That way it should be a bit easier for everyone to reference without needing to go back to a specific post.
Soul Snuffers is actually a hilarious find. I'm not sure how relevant it is, really, but I guess at-worst it gives non-white decks access to a pseudo-Orzhov Pontiff.
Edit: note that I left in all the forum BBcode so that when the list is complete, it can just be uploaded into the primer and still look nice in the forums here.
Arianrhod can you answer these?Quote:
Originally Posted by pfiremc13
I'll review the pod creature list sometime in the future and see if I have anything else to add
I'll also post my slightly updated thune fit list.
Also it seems I don't have the permission to access your sig link.
I also requested access to the document.
So I was talking with one of my friends who asked if you could run this with 0 dual lands. I know he has fetches and Groves, he just doesnt have the ABU's. I told him that it may be possible, but I wanted to see here. Im not advocating budget, but its also something I have wondered. I know its stupid, but it has struck me as an interesting thought from time to time.
Man, did anyone see Lotus Cobra and get hard thinking about it + Veteran Explorer shenanigans?
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Originally Posted by Esper3k
i am currently trying out a gaze of granite as i am still waiting for my toxic deluge to arrive (also have massacre in board, there is a lot of d'n't here as well as 2-3 deadguys)
seems pretty good even though the double black is kinda cloggy sometimes.
it feels like wishing for pernicious deed.
i'm not sure about reverent silence anymore. i can't remember a single game i wished for it so i am thinking about experimentally dropping it for the deluge.
maybe 2 "all-creatures-get-minus"-sweepers can do well, especially if u can cast one of it for free (oder 1 if a thalia is up).
i also received the suggestion to play a singleton living wish, a tabernacle and a bog ... sounded interesting but i don't think it will (nic)fit very well.
any1 having some experiences with this or something similar?
we have a legacy regional next sunday, but i'm still not sure if i can be in attendance, we'll see.
checked my shops, only availabe foil windswept heath is english nm for about ~128$, playset is around 500 but not a single german heath. ^_oQuote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
if there is a chance that we'll meet on a specific international tournament, i can check for some foil/german goodies for you and maybe bring them with me. :D
I think it's possible. I've never really had mana problems with my nic fit list.Quote:
Originally Posted by kavaki
Responding to posts soon. Just a quick post that I should have fixed the permissions problem with the Pod list doc -- I forgot that I do actually do things to do it to make it shareable. Should be good now.
You could probably get away with it, but to be on the safe side I would at least run three shocks so he doesn't get totally screwed. Really, he should just give up the ~$200 and buy the minimal duals you need for Nic Fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kavaki