[Deck] 12 Post

Thank you all for your kind words and support! My last match against Mono Red Sneak Attack that you all saw put a damper on an otherwise incredible tournament. My day one was a roller coaster of success and failure. I got off to a great start, winning my first three rounds, then dropped the next two and looked like I would miss day two. Then I was able to string together the four straight wins to go 7-2 and play the second day. Day two I went undefeated in the Swiss rounds to 12-2, then I.D.'ed with Andrew Jessup in the last round to secure the top 8 spot. Over the course of the event, I only played two combo matchups - BR Reanimator that I managed to beat in the very first round, and then the Mono Red Sneak that I lost to in top 8. Played against several BUG and 4 Color Delver over the 14 rounds. I don't think I've ever been Hymn'ed more in a single tournament.

As for my list, I have never strayed too far from the basic build that I have always felt comfortable with. I had been tuning the list for the last couple of months and I felt extremely confident going into the tournament with the final 75. Nothing really spicy, but everything you need to win is there. The only kind of bad card were the two sideboard Trickbinds. As a Wasteland answer, they didn't seem to be great against the BUG/4 Color Delvers that would see them in my hand. However, they were intended to be a strong answer to several combo decks that I did not end up seeing, as well as a good counter to Thought-Knot Seer triggers in Eldrazi Stompy. Not sure if I would swap them for more blue cards, or something else entirely.

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Originally Posted by Razorking

Congrats Tony. I watch you playing and your deck is sweet. I played mono green post to 36th and lost horrendously to re animator on stream when I was 5-0. LOL. It was my first tourney and i was super happy with my decklist, but right now i am trying to find space for plat emperion. Price of Progress is super good right now. U/R delver and burn are going to be very popular soon since 4 color control and 3/4 color delvers are doing so well. I was super satisfied with Conduit of Ruin but my maindeck warping wails kinda felt sucky. I am gonna replace them with 1 emperion and 1 walking ballista and give that a shot.

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Thank you and congrats on your finish as well! I heard that there was another 12Post around the top tables but I never got a chance to watch you play or speak to you. Be wary of Platinum Emperion, as he is pretty fragile. The Burn decks might bring in Smash to Smithereens, and many of the Delver builds with red have a couple of Ancient Grudge, preventing him from being the end-all shield that you want him to be. I think Crop into Chasm is the best thing mono-green has for Price. But I'm glad that you're enjoying the power of post; that is an incredible finish for your first go with the deck!

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Great showing Tony Murata. Watched your matches through the day while I was there. Solid play. Met quite a few of your opponents throughout the day who wanted to vent to me after losing to you. :D

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Thank you! I saw a couple of your games early in the day and wanted to speak to you, but there were usually some fairly large crowds around and time was short before the next round. Saw you win the atrocious MUD matchup in your first round! Your opponent held off on using his Wasteland for way too long.

I give you all the credit for first constructing the battle-tested "stock" list. My versions have always been based on the list I first saw you play at Worcester of all places years ago. I loved it and never looked back!

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

@ Into_Play. Any reason why you opted for two tabernacles over a different 15th card?

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When piecing together my sideboard, I wanted broad, versatile cards that could be generally impactful for typical situation. One such card that has always given me a ton of mileage has been Tabernacle, against basically any deck that plays multiple creatures. I've always had one in the sideboard and always brought it in against all Delver builds, Death and Taxes, and so many more opponents. The only problem is, I would usually not want to spend a Crop or Map to go get one. With two, I wanted to increase the chances that I would simply draw into one naturally, and the presence of two clearly made this happen. I was able to play one much more frequently than before, and at the cost of just my land drop for the turn. Taking your land drop is really the only weakness of the card for our deck IMO. Being a land, we can protect it with Needle and Crop it away when we don't need it. Without a Needle, it becomes a Wasteland magnet and prevents a more important Cloudpost from being destroyed. And tying up their mana and slowing them down is a huge boon from a card that is only a land. It did a lot more work than another card such as Moment's Peace, and I think I made the right call by including them in duplicate.

I'll provide more details in a tournament report a little later. 12Post still feels as good as any deck in the current metagame, and as long as Miracles is prevalent, we have a good incentive to keep playing the deck. I won't stop!

@into_play
Congrats once more on your incredible finish. I like your optimism regarding our deck and its future; I find it very encouraging.
About the monoR match-up, all I can say is that I thought it was unwinnable until my last tournament when it was the first match I faced. I know the guy across the table is playing monoR and we both expected the same outcome as before, but then I 2-0 him after several fortunate plays (repealing his Titan, swaned his sneak attack, and so forth). After that match, I felt like I won the tournament. Absolutely no shame in dropping this match-up. It's probably the worst match-up possible, and in my modest opinion, I think one needs to get lucky to win.

Do you guys think that this has any potential?

Grasping Dunes
Land - Desert
T: Add ◊ to your mana pool.

1, T, Sacrifice Grasping Dunes: Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.

Grasping Dunes seems decent against Pyromancer, revoker, etc. even DRS, magus, etc. could be dealt with in builds with land recursion? :eyebrow:

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Originally Posted by MechTactical

Do you guys think that this has any potential?

Grasping Dunes
Land - Desert
T: Add ◊ to your mana pool.

1, T, Sacrifice Grasping Dunes: Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.

Grasping Dunes seems decent against Pyromancer, revoker, etc. even DRS, magus, etc. could be dealt with in builds with land recursion? :eyebrow:

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Feels like I would use it in a Loam deck before a cloudpost deck. Losing a land in these builds hurts your endgame, Crop Rotation into say a Glacial Chasm always feels dirty. Maybe if you had a Crucible of Worlds up. Even then, Grove + Punishing Fire does a much better job. Only thing I can see this useful against is Mother of Runes but that isn't a threat for this type of deck. I would want more of an answer for True Name Nemesis, Monastery Mentor, or something in that range. Also it only goes off at sorcery speed. No way to react to a pyromancer until they already have a bunch of tokens running.

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

Congrats to Razorking for a day 2 & into_play for the top8. Unfortunately, both camera matches from this weekend looked abysmal for 12post. :-(

@ Razorking, they flashed your sideboard on coverage, but I was intrigued what was contained in your maindeck. I saw the Conduit, but wondered what other spice was inside. Can you share your list?

@ Into_Play. Any reason why you opted for two tabernacles over a different 15th card?

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Hey, so I am currently on my phone so I will upload my list after dinner. It was an amazing tourney and I was so impressed with conduit. I have one conduit in Japanese and 2 in English so when I went to play the Japanese one, my opponent shot his hand up and yelled "Kudge can I get oracle for whatever the FCK this is?!" Lol.

So, the point of conduit is to connect the dots between little mana and huge mana. He is also a great threat and has inspired me to add a platnium emperion into my side for burn. To beat burn my game plan is to get behind a chasm and conduit into an emperion. No extra mana needed once he tutors for the emperion. Emperion can crash right on down. CONDUIT also I AMAZING for the times I have 11 mana and an eye of ugin. It is nice to have a target for my tutor I can play immediately and slide the perfect win con to the top of my deck. Old Emmy, emperion, new Emmy, newlomog, KtGD. Ext.

So, before yo see my list and lose your crap then, prime time has been cut. And I play mono green. Spending 4 turns at the minimum to hard cast a Titan was too hard. Titan's two green is clunky and I lack show and tell to get him in and working. Instead of that my beautiful conduit is colorless and still is a fine size threat. I really like conduit's ability to cut right to the wincon so you don'5 have to eye of ugin for it.

Just some neat stuff:
A top allows you to play whatever you tutor up that turn!

Since the tourney have have cut all fetches in favor of all basics so I can survive Ghost quarter from lands well. I also cut a mainfexk wail for my emperion.

Conduit can be played of an eye and two posts

CONDUIT allows for two clouposts and a candle to get you to an emperion with no additional lands

He is so much easier to cast when your opponent is wastelanding you

Multiples is amazing and he is able to be snuck out before a blood moon lands

THE TUTOR IS A CAST TRIGGER NOT ETB

MONO green is great against show and tell decks. (In general)

Thanks and good luck. I think even the U/G version should run at least 1 conduit .

Had an amazing dinner of caviar and oysters and then black sea bass.

Ok, deck list

1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Maze of Ith
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Karakas
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
3 Pithing Needle
4 Vesuva
2 Wooded Foothills
5 Forest
4 Ancient Stirrings
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
4 Crop Rotation
4 Expedition Map
3 Sensei's Diving Top
1 Warping Wail
4 Candelabra of Tawnos
3 Conduit of Ruin
1 Platinum Emperion

2 Moment's Peace
1 Song of the Dryads
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Grafdigger's Cage
3 Krosan Grip
1 Pithing Needle
3 Warping Wail

My current thoughts revolve around walking ballista and warping wail. I wanna fit both of them into the main deck in a above 1 number but i lack space. Maybe Koz hits the bench for now? maybe i cut a forest? hmm idk. i would like advice from any of you guys available

thank you very much and btw i came in 36th at Worcester.

Dude, I think you may be right about the conduit. I've been testing with it in an UG build since your post, and it's very handy, even as a 1 of since you can tutor for it. I remember thinking about conduit but quickly dismissing the card, I guess too fast.

I was playing with Conduit of Ruin as a budget option when I first began 12-Post. I felt it a little underwhelming for 6 mana compared to Titan. I've found that once Titan hits you usually win within the next two turns. Whereas Conduit doesn't get you to where you need to be. Sure, it'll lower the cost of your big dudes and Tutor one up for you, but what good is that if you don't have the mana to cast it? That being said, I feel that it may shine as a 1-of in some builds. Sometimes you just can't seem to find that Titan. In those cases you can use one of our mana ways to grab Eye and tutor for Conduit and cast it. It might not get you where you need to go but it's a body that can give you that extra turn or two you need to find the mana to finish out the game.

@into_play
@Razorking

first of all congratulations for your placings, i always appreciate seeing 12post in the top rankings.

@Razorking:
i already tried out walking ballista for about ~3 months, using it in u/g, w/g and mono-green post, and i find it a bit underwhelming as most of the time it nails away some delvers, mothers and more but if you already are in a bad spot you just don't have the time to pump out some additional +1/+1 counters.
i ended up dropping ballista and didn't regret it by now.
it's not as game-ending as it seems in theory (still i will keep my foil copy).

but i guess i will try out a single conduit, just for testing reasons, still have to check it out (currently running u/g as i feel most confident with it).

just curious, why do you prefer new kozilek over butcher?
and how is new emrakul working for you?
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@into_play:
i am following your tournament results for years now and it's kinda heartwarming to see that your u/g list only had some few, minimal changes during that time with still being successful.
may i ask you to put up a small sideboard-guide for that FoW-packed sideboard? i really like having forces in the sb as you can bring them in against so many decks and they rarely are bad.

Mox is my go to in Dand T and he is also great for all the grungy games. In my build, koz will grab me 5 or 6 cards consistently whilst being unable to be swords to plowshared due to my density of 1 drops. CONDUIT is amazing and should be in ever list as a 1 of. In mono green, ancient stirrings can grab it which is super sweet.

I love new Emmy, he is my go to finisher for combo but I now see that against storm and tinfins I will grab emperion. Emmys mindslaver trigger is amazing against miracles and DnT too. I love the ability to board wipe my opponent with a tabernacle and choose to not pay for any triggers on their upkeep.

Hey y'all, been a while since I posted. Cascading Cataracts + EE has gotten me thinking about an Intuition/Trinket Mage build, so I'm thinking about dipping my toes into UG for the first time. I don't really have a prototype list hammered out yet, but I do have a couple of thoughts I was hoping to bounce around.

1) I've never noticed Academy Ruins in any lists, but being able to recur EE seems really strong. Especially now, with the ability to set it to 5 pretty easily. And even just being able to recur a Map seems great. Has anyone used Ruins in Post? If so, what were your impressions?

2) With Cataracts, an Urborg, and maybe a B/x dual or two, how viable is a slight Black splash? Aside from access to Abrupt Decay, it gives us Volrath's Stronghold as an option to recur PrimeTime, Trinket Mage, and new-generation Eldrazi. Coming from C/g, I've never really built a heavily colored manabase for Post. How greedy can you reasonably get, given that we have an indestructible super-filter?

Thoughts?


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I've also been looking at Halls of Mist as a sideboard option in Cg Post. My thought is that it's a tutorable tempo-based answer in between Maze and Tablernacle. It seems like it might be decent against decks that usually kill in medium swings over multiple turns (Delver, Eldrazi, D&T) by cutting their clock in half while you stabilize. I also like that it doesn't target like Maze (Leovold) and can't be hit with a topdecked Port or Wasteland before combat. Unfortunately, this is one of those random Ice Age rares that just has never been released on MTGO, which makes testing it considerably more difficult. Has anyone tried using this in paper? What are y'all's thoughts on this, either generally or in the current metagame?


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Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube

I've also been looking at Halls of Mist as a sideboard option in Cg Post. My thought is that it's a tutorable tempo-based answer in between Maze and Tablernacle. It seems like it might be decent against decks that usually kill in medium swings over multiple turns (Delver, Eldrazi, D&T) by cutting their clock in half while you stabilize. I also like that it doesn't target like Maze (Leovold) and can't be hit with a topdecked Port or Wasteland before combat. Unfortunately, this is one of those random Ice Age rares that just has never been released on MTGO, which makes testing it considerably more difficult. Has anyone tried using this in paper? What are y'all's thoughts on this, either generally or in the current metagame?


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With heavy colored builds you are naturally much more susceptible to Wasteland and Ghost Quarter, but you do get more tools for the aggressive delver match ups that can give us problems.

I went ahead and picked up a copy in paper after we interacted on twitter about it. I am going to try Halls of Mist and I will hit you up to discuss. Not being available on mtgo is unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by mykatdied

With heavy colored builds you are naturally much more susceptible to Wasteland and Ghost Quarter, but you do get more tools for the aggressive delver match ups that can give us problems.

I went ahead and picked up a copy in paper after we interacted on twitter about it. I am going to try Halls of Mist and I will hit you up to discuss. Not being available on mtgo is unfortunate.

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Awesome. Looking forward to your results. I don't get to play much paper Legacy (or Magic) nowadays, so my data points are very limited.


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Back on post train. Picked CG post back up for EW trial and got 3rd, deck felt really good overall. Ran with 3 conduits, They were sweet, two seems like a good number so far. Had two wurmcoils in board and they put in work when they came in, gonna look closer at this card for this build. Lost to Aggro Loam, should not have kept my hand in last game. Candel seems like such a target I question the dream of candel and maze- maze seems slightly underwhelming. Moments Peace generally takes out the same threats, cr or stirrings offer quick finds for maze but a moments peace in main will prob replace.

Looks like top is getting more controversy than I've seen in a long time...I am going to start looking at how the variations of this deck would look without top just in case.

From Helene Bergeot's twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9esa-uVwAE3-Dd.jpg

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Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube

Hey y'all, been a while since I posted. Cascading Cataracts + EE has gotten me thinking about an Intuition/Trinket Mage build, so I'm thinking about dipping my toes into UG for the first time. I don't really have a prototype list hammered out yet, but I do have a couple of thoughts I was hoping to bounce around.

1) I've never noticed Academy Ruins in any lists, but being able to recur EE seems really strong. Especially now, with the ability to set it to 5 pretty easily. And even just being able to recur a Map seems great. Has anyone used Ruins in Post? If so, what were your impressions?

2) With Cataracts, an Urborg, and maybe a B/x dual or two, how viable is a slight Black splash? Aside from access to Abrupt Decay, it gives us Volrath's Stronghold as an option to recur PrimeTime, Trinket Mage, and new-generation Eldrazi. Coming from C/g, I've never really built a heavily colored manabase for Post. How greedy can you reasonably get, given that we have an indestructible super-filter?

Thoughts?


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We had a similar effect to Cascading Cataracts b4. Though, it wasn't indestructible + any mana combination: Crystal Quarry.

1) I tried ruins but found it waay 2 slow for my taste.

2) Tried volrath in a B splash build and it was similarly slow and weak 2 GY hate as ruins. While the B splash mana base seems playable, i find it too risky/greedy 2 justify the B splash, because a well tweaked UG list can handle any situations that a BUG can.

I guess Nissa is available on xMage and i'll start testing. Do you plan on taking a creature heavy approach to her?

EDIT: I'm really liking Nissa. Testing in a standard UG / trinket build with Sylvan Caryatid and FoW in the board.

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Originally Posted by MechTactical

We had a similar effect to Cascading Cataracts b4. Though, it wasn't indestructible + any mana combination: Crystal Quarry.

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The any combination is what makes all the difference. It can make WUBRG for EE, but it also makes GG for PrimeTime and UUU for Omniscience. Hell, you could even make BBBB and cast Griselbrand if you wanted. The ability to bulk filter colorless into more intense 1-2 color requirements excites me just as much, if not more.

Being Wasteland-proof isn't bad either.


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Originally Posted by MechTactical

We had a similar effect to Cascading Cataracts b4. Though, it wasn't indestructible + any mana combination: Crystal Quarry.

1) I tried ruins but found it waay 2 slow for my taste.

2) Tried volrath in a B splash build and it was similarly slow and weak 2 GY hate as ruins. While the B splash mana base seems playable, i find it too risky/greedy 2 justify the B splash, because a well tweaked UG list can handle any situations that a BUG can.

I guess Nissa is available on xMage and i'll start testing. Do you plan on taking a creature heavy approach to her?

EDIT: I'm really liking Nissa. Testing in a standard UG / trinket build with Sylvan Caryatid and FoW in the board.

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I tested Nissa on Xmage yesterday with a GU Eldrazi list (below) as I tried to splash Blue green in a colorless eldrazi build but fitting the mana base to accommodate Nissa in the colorless list is challenging. Thus I came with this list, (not 100% if this was the full list but here some idea of what it was)

Creatures (23)
4 Thought-knot-seer
3 World Breaker
4 Dimensional Infiltrator
4 Eldrazi Skyspawner
4 noble hierarch
4 reality smasher

Instant & Sorceries (8)
4 dismember
4 Life from the loam

Planeswalkers (4)
4 Nissa, Steward of Elements

Lands (25)
4 Wasteland
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Tropical Island
2 Flooded Grove
2 yavimaya coast
4 Eldrazi Temple
1 Eye of Ugin
2 Caven of souls
1 island
1 forest
1 wastes

SB
4 Chalice of the void
3 Faerie Macabre
2 Engineered Explosives
2 All is Dust
4 Flex slots (not defined)


All I can say about Nissa, is the same feeling I have with wasteland, great when you have advantage, horrible when lagging behind. The problem I had with this build was that I was not able to get the most out of the XUG converted mana cost as well as abrupt decay normally took care of her. So In order for Nissa to survice 1 turn you need to make her X as large as possible and have the means to protect her.

The +2 Ability is very cool, I think Sensei Divining Top would be able to make Nissa very profitable.
The +0 ability works nice with Scry, although when top decking I always wished I had some Sensei Divining Top available.
-6 never tried it, not enough mana.

I think running some mana dorks may be the best way to go? I was pleasantly surprised by Sylvan Caryatid survivability/ramping/mana fixing/Nissa protecting. :laugh:

Unfortunately, Nissa is decayable, revoker, needle, and gaddock give you more headache. But the upside of having a midrange ramp/card filter + finisher in one card is hugely important and gives the deck more versatility, which in my opinion countermands her downsides.

Nissa paired with a top is amazing, and her +0 really shines once you get them online (unfortunately the +0 can't be used to good effect without top/brainstorm). +2 can be a bit slow, but you can get counters on her fast, and she filters out bad draws quite well while setting the clock. I was unable to use her +2 for setting up her +0 ability often. Her - 6 won me several games last night, and I'm excited to have another flexible win con at hand.
I liked how I could board out my SnT against Reanimator and monoR and still have plenty of blue cards for FoW post-board. Against burn, her +0 pushed the game in my favor, and I was able to ramp the guy out of the match faster than he could burn me. She was very helpful against loam and midrange as well. I think I like her "explore" ability most of all, though, I would like to run more creatures up to 3-4 CMC to make better use of her +0. Nevertheless, putting a land from the top of your library onto the battlefield is an excellent ability to have. Despite the fact that Nissa is weak against many things, I think she stalls the game well and gives the opponent something to tackle with, while you sit around dropping lands, which is supposedly Plan A for us. :laugh: Even if Nissa gets wasted/disabled early she takes some of the pressure off you, for example, a guy had to name Nissa with his needle to prevent a -6 in two turns, and my top remained intact, finding another answer soon afterward. Or the opponent has to attack her instead of you, while you still dropped that extra land or cleared the top of your library on your turn (which can translate to something like: "gain X life + explore or scry 2"). I agree with Mr. vanquish that Nissa isn't as game changing as a resolved SnT->primetime, or Ugin is, even if you can -6 her, but you can still play those cards in a Nissa build... Despite my optimism about Nissa; we still need to do more testing before we can make the final verdict about her.

@Booze
I'm not sure Cascading Cataracts is what one wants to run in UG post but will give it a try nevertheless.

Tangle Wire. i am running 1 as a flex spot. The card is sick as you always take less damage from it and it slows opponets. Pithing needles can tap for it and so can tops and other artifacts. I wanna find spaace for a second. What are your guy's thoughts on the card? it sees great against true name decks and daze decks.