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-I don't think you need more than 1 creature to win. I think you should cut silverheart for a top.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicLevelCommoner
-I don't like echoing truth because it does not deal with things permanently. It doesn't deal with the main plans of many decks, and is not very good vs. fair decks either. I'd put in a split between decay and pulse.
-I see your point about not wanting to cut gsz.
Hi All, looking for some feedback. I have always played GWB Nic Fit in a rock style build. a lot of board control and sweet creatures.
I started playing the BUG Nic Fit list with Birthing Pod and had some good games but it has left me with a kind of meh feeling. It suffers from a lot of the problems that most birthing pod lists I've played in the past do. Namely that if you don't resolve a birthing pod early it's just a pile of value creatures.
I've looked at some Melira Pod lists and have come up with a bit of a brew that I'm looking to get some feed back on. This list is completely untested so I can't justify all of the cards in the list but some of the odd ones are there purely on the theoretical basis that they "might be good".
Creatures:27
3 Deathrite Shaman
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Fleecemane Lion
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Wall of Blossoms
1 Bone Shredder
2 Eternal Witness
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Orzhov Pontiff
2 Murderous Redcap
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
2 Restoration Angel
1 Acidic Slime
1 Shriekmaw
1 Thragtusk
1 Grave Titan
1 Sun Titan
Spells:11
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Birthing Pod
Lands:22
3 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Gavony Township
1 Marsh Flats
2 Plains
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Swamp
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
I like the idea of Fleecemane Lion in a deck like this. A 3/3 for two is pretty good and the ability to become monstrous and dodge spot removal and wraths I feel is nothing to shrug at. Pontiff could be a good answer to True Name nemesis. I realize we have access to Deed but that doesn't always get drawn when it's needed. Pontiff at least offers a tutorable answer to it. Phrexian Metamorph seems like a no brainer in a format full of powerful creatures and equipments. Restoration Angel is another theoretical add. She should win fights with most creatures like Clique and being able to double up on value is never a bad thing. There are also 2 Gavony Township in the deck for the times when there is no birthing pod in play you can just get big and attack with creatures.
There is a slight urge to make this a five color deck and add Deceiver Exarch, Phantasmal Image and Zealous Conscripts to be able to pod up the chain multiple times in a turn. But again. this deck is completely untested and I am looking for initial feedback. maybe something I missed or hadn't thought of. Or if someone wants to build the deck and give it run and tell me how bad it is that is welcome too :wink:
I'm currently running the following creature package:Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBrain
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Primeval Titan
1 Thragtusk
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Deathrite Shaman
Acidic Slime would be a nice addition if I had something to take out. Maybe I'll try to replace a Huntmaster.
I'm not running recurring nightmare, though I should probably try it out, too.
@ hymntotourcock: I'd probably take the risk and name Dark Ritual since the opponent will probably hide his tutors and he already has some acceleration. If he had lotus petals, he would've cast them, so we're left with rituals. If he sets his topdeck wisely, though, we're in trouble. I still need a lot more practice with TES and ANT.
Hmm ... gotcha. Thanks for the insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfiremc13
I name Dark Ritual here. I figure if they're Brainstorming, they have cards they want to protect, which to me says either Infernal Tutor or another business spell, which they'll be hiding with Brainstorm. Therefore I want to make sure they can't kill me in their next turn or two, and taking their Rituals (if they have them) makes it much less likely that we're just dead when they untap. This should give us enough time to flashback Therapy and take their business spell when they draw it next turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by hymntotourcock
Also, welcome to all the new names in the thread!
For players who prefer PunishingFit:
I think we can consider about MustIn Cards and Optional Cards. My propose of list:
Must In:
4 Veteran Explorer - for excellent ramp
2 Thragtusk - great gainlife and Adv maker
2 Huntmaster of the fells - like tusk but he can also flip and kill problematic creature
1 Primeval Titan - ramp
1 Scavenging Ooze - main answer on grave / great vs *****
1 Eternal Witness
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3 Sensei Diving Top - dig dig dig
3 Pernicious Deed - awesome highpower removal
3/4 Punishing Fire - depents on room for it 3/4
2 Maelstrom Pulse
3/4 Green Sun's Zenith - like in PF.
2/3 abrupt decay - great removal i think best point on this time ( in this color obv)
2 liliana of the Vail - great in our deck i think, combo with PF and dont hurts our deck but opp a lot.
4 cabal therapy - like made for this deck. we disc bad cards and take adv from explorers or tokens
1/2 Diabolic intent - must in when we run recuring but even without it its great card for us - and helps a looot to search ideal cards.
1 Recurring Nightmare - produce sick adv
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1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Kessig Wolf Run - great Land imo
3/4 Grove Burnwillows
X Fetches
X Badland
X Taiga
X Bayou
X forest
X Swamp
X mountain
It depends on mana in maindeck+sb
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For now its 35/38 Must in cards+23 lands ( i think its enough) we have 53/56 cards.
---Cards that might be good in our deck and have to be take into consideration:
GSZ tool:
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Acidic slime (+work with Recuring)
1 Thrun, the Last troll (great body and survive deed by regen)
Recuring tool:
1 Grave Titan
1 Faceless Butcher (ideal for Show and Tell reveal / can be tutored by DIntent)
Other Toy:
2 Thoughtseize
1/2 Hymn to Tourach
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SIDEBOARD:
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its harder to choose but we have a lot of options
-Carpet of flowers
-Slaughter Games
-Surgical Extraction/Extirpate ( i preffer surgical because we can use it after first discard)
-krosan grip
-golgari charm
-pyroblast/red elemental blast ( i propose 2/2 because i think we will take 4th of 1mana counter)
-Chains of mefistopheles - amazing card i think agains JaceDecks, Omnitell, Ant, Elves
-Ensnaring Bridge (great with kessig wolf run, we can attack weak creature then use Land to be more serious)
-Tajuru Preserver - against emraaaakul. good for GSZ bad - can be killed by pyroclasm
-Rakdos's Return - i love this card. if she resolve...nuts.
My List that I test now:
>>>CREATURE:13
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Thragtusk
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Faceless Butcher
1 Acidic Slime
1 Primeval Titan
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
>>>ARTIFACT:1
3 Sensei's Divining Top
>>>ENCHANTMENTS:4
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare
>>>SPELLS:16
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Punishing Fire
2 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Diabolic Intent
>>>WALKERS:2
2 Liliana of the Veil
>>>LANDS:23
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Badlands
2 Bayou
3 Swamp
2 Forest
1 Mountain
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Kessig Wolf Run
SB: 3 Carpet of Flowers - great job with Recurring tool a lot of mana a lot of copy the work
SB: 2 Slaughter Games - i just love cut WinCon
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction - like i said before great work with early discard
SB: 2 Chains of Mephistopheles
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 2 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
Still thinking about -1 Acidic Slime and -1Diabolic Intent and add main +2 thoughtseize. now im gonna test this build and try acidic in battle...
Whats is your optional build with Must In/Could be in?
Wow so many people joining the thread. Is it a TNN effect ?Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBrain
Welcome to all.
The reason to play Punishing (even if I am usually posting about scape, I also have some good practise with PF list) is Thrun.
PF main plan is generally on the "Protect the Troll" plan.
Thrun HAS to be somewhere in the 75 (better main deck).
Against a lot of midrange/control deck, he will be your main kill condition.
Kessig will gain even more value against TNN.deck and you could mark my word here.
Have fun all, you made a good choice electing NicFit.
Read and read again Tao's primer and start testing !!!
Yea, i forgot about him in my list:D damn:D....Update: slime is to slow and kill our plan with Carpets. so i gonna -1slime +1thrun, alwo he works with KWolfRunQuote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
Dark ritual.Quote:
Originally Posted by hymntotourcock
If he's played led on their turn it's because he fears discard, thus he needs mana for the next turn.
He probably has a couple of ritual/petal and a infernal tutor and aims to ad nauseam next turn, so he'll hide it with brainstorm.
If you're playing against a skilled player he can keep the business and try to next level you, but it's unlikely.
Sent from my mobile, forgive me for grammar errors.
Interesting Question...about strategy.
Opponent Win the roll.
He start with Fetch, land with U nd play Delver.
We draw put land then: we cast Explorer of Cabal first? what is your first move. i always have war in my head about this.
Tropical= Vet (RUG tends to daze or even force Vets though)Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBrain
Volcanic= Probably Vet but depends on the fetch
Tundra, Underground= Therapy to play around swords
Island= Probably r/u then so go Vet.
I'm trying to recall what I've done in this past and I think this want I have done.
Given a normal hand you should always play Therapy in that situation and name Brainstorm when it resolves. This has two advantages. The first advantage is that you would usually much rather have him Daze the Therapy than the Explorer. Of course this changes if you WANT your Explorer Dazed because you have a lot of mana and/or an additional Explorer but usually that is not the case.
The second advantage is that he is tapped out now and can't Brainstorm in response to fiddle with your Therapy.
When it resolves name Brainstorm: a) to avoid having to deal with him Brainstorming in response to Therapy next turn, b) because it is the best card in their deck and c) this makes it so he can't hide any multiples in his hand anymore.
An exception: If he played Tropical you should still play Therapy (because you really don't want your Explorer Dazed by RUG) but consider naming Stifle depending on how your hand looks so that he can't Stifle the Explorer trigger in response to Therapy next turn.
List looks good.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBrain
I would make these changes:
Maindeck:
+ 1 Top
+ 1 GSZ
- 1 Volrath's Stronghold (or -1 Kessig Wolf Run)
- 1 Maelstrom Pulse
Sideboard:
- 2 Krosan Grip
+ 1 Thoughtseize
+ 1 Liliana of the Veil
I don't see a need for Krosan Grip though in a deck that plays 3 Decay and 3 Deeds AND in you case 2 Maelstrom Pulses AND GSZ for Acidic Slime. Is your meta somehow unique or what is the reason for this?
I would not play both Stronghold and Kessig Wolf Run. Choose whichever one you prefer and play 22 lands. I like Stronghold but most other experienced players prefer Wolf Run.
I would really recommend playing 4 Tops and 4 GSZs to max out on your odds of triggering Explorer in the first 2-3 turns. Also, both cards are amazing.
I'm wondering if wall of blossoms is better than voice of resurgence or not. With the high creature count the token is probably big enough to make it worth running. But drawing a card is ok too. I also think even though you're playing a value-birthing pod deck you still want sigarda. It's one of the few things in junk colors that can kill a jace besides vindicate or pulse. I foresee a problem with the lion being that if you try to monstrosity it they can just swords it in response or otherwise remove it. However, a 4/4 indestructible hexproof guy is certainly nothing to sneeze at and at the very least plays good defense. If you get the window to do it after they tap out or something then sure, I can see it being good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZimAshe
@Hardbrain, I think a few of the cards you listed as "must play" in punishing fire nic fit don't belong on the list. A second thragtusk is certainly not necessary and I've generally been unimpressed with the card. One is fine. It's embarrassing against batterskull or true name. In fact there's very few things in legacy that it matches up well against having only 3 toughness. I feel like most of the time it just says 4G, gain 5 life and leave a body behind in an attempt to stabilize. Diabolic intent is good in scapeshift builds because it gets your kill card but there's not a ton of great things to tutor up in punishing fit. Ideally what do you hope to get casting that card? I wouldn't play it over a 4th green sun, where less than 4 is not ideal. Recurring nightmare is cute, but again, I don't think punishing nic fit can really abuse that card to its full capacity and it's gotten much worse with DRS and Ooze, etc. I don't want to sound like the king of negativity here but faceless butcher is not a good card at all and dryad arbor has never been good in nic fit.
Lately I've been performing very poorly with Nic fit (I play the punishing fire version). I think I went 1-3 my last two events playing the deck. I lost to burn both times which generally should not happen. I guess I can write up a quick report of my last tournament, maybe you guys can give me some tips.
Round 1: Merfolk. He plays cursecatcher and says go. Turn two he adds a lord, which I punishing fire on turn three to avoid him saccing cursecatcher. He adds an adept to his board, and eventually another lord but the punishing fire engine takes over the game and anything he plays I kill pretty easily. A huntmaster shows up and takes over, flipping to kill an adept. Game two plays out similarly to game one, anything targetable I kill with punishing fire or abrupt decay, and he plays a TNN. I ramp with explorer by chumping one of his dudes and cast primeval titan. I grab more groves and punishing fire a kira twice to get it off the board. My lifetotal is so high so he holds back his TNN when he plays a second one and he double blocks the titan. I already had a huntmaster on board at this point and it flips when all he draws for the turn is a wasteland. The trample damage from the titan got him relatively low and I win the race with a bunch of creatures I had on board but I don't remember the specifics.
Round 2: Burn. This round was frustrating. Game one I rip apart his hand with cabal therapy/thoughtseize, trigger an explorer, and generally find an answer to any threat he plays like young pyromancer or grim lavamancer. Huntmaster shows up, I gain some life and eventually I kill him with it pretty fast since he took damage from price, barbarian ring, and flame rift. Game two I look at an opener with 5 lands, thragtusk, eternal witness. I figure I won't survive five turns to cast the tusk so I ship the hand back. The next two hands are light on lands and full of irrelevant cards for the matchup. Eventually I settle on four, an explorer, forest, top, and decay. I durdle a bit trying to find lands with top and die pretty fast to his decent hand. Game three I felt like tearing my hair out. I lead with thoughtseize, taking a price since my hand had some nonbasics. He had double rift bolt and plays that turn one so I don't take 2 with therapy. I strip a bolt with therapy, flash it back to take something else, and he casts the rest of his stuff on the following turn. At this point I'm pretty low and I keep looking with top at my top 3. The 3: pernicious deed x 2, garruk primal hunter. I play the garruk because I had nothing better to do and make a 3/3. I look again next turn, 2 deed 1 top. He kills me after I fail to find huntmaster or tusk or anything relevant with top for three or four turns.
Round 3: Deathblade. Turn one I thoughtseize and take a brainstorm. His hand has a jace so I make a point of not ramping him. Generally this deck doesn't have basics but he added two because of my deck and blood moon. He plays out a a couple of stoneforges and a strix and I kill them off with punishing fire. He casts a batterskull. Eventually I land a primal hunter, make a 3/3 and then on the following turn play thragtusk, drawing 5 cards with garruk. He scoops in a really unsportsmanlike manner. Sore loser. Game two he plays a pithing needle naming deed. Again, I wipe most of his board of anything relevant with p-fire including jace and we both get up to about 7 lands in play when he plays a batterskull. I decay the needle, and keep wiping away the batterskull with deeds for two turns in a row but academy ruins allows him to recurr it and cast it again every turn. I die to the token and a late TNN. He complains rudely that I'm topping too slow a couple of times during this game. If I was really slow playing we wouldn't have finished game three but I was playing fast even though he was winning. Game three he plays rest in peace, and takes out my punishing fire engine. He lands a meddling mage and names pernicious deed. He plays mystic, TNN, and fetches feast and famine. He equips the sword to meddling mage and I die pretty fast with no real way to wipe the board. We have a discussion about carpet of flowers and he tries to convince me that choke is better. It was pretty mediocre against him, I kept deeding it away. I'm thinking of cutting it.
Round 4: Elves. He has a slow start with a lanowar, then adds a deathrite and symbiote. I get the p-fire engine going but I can only ultimately kill one thing a turn and that's not enough so he runs me over with elves. Game two I keep a hand with golgari charm, deed, p-fire. I wipe away his elves and clean up with thragtusk. Game three he kills me turn 3 with craterhoof. I had deed in play but he had a decay anyway. My list, for reference:
2 Bayou
1 Badlands
1 Taiga
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Mountain
2 Swamp
3 Forest
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
2 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
4 Punishing Fire
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Volrath's Stronghold
2 Thoughtseize
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
SB: 2 Extirpate
SB: 2 Nihil Spellbomb
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Golgari Charm
About changes i made some changes before you answer. Thanks anyway. this is my current list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tao
I update my search tool to 2 intent and put out slime, they are to slow in my opinion. +1Butcher really helps with SnT also its good tool with recuring nightmare and Phyrexian Tower. its some kind of Mangara and Karakas ;)
i cut tusk and add GSZ like in your suggestion.
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thragtusk
1 Faceless Butcher
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Primeval Titan
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Punishing Fire
2 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Diabolic Intent
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Liliana of the Veil
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Badlands
2 Bayou
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Mountain
2 Forest
3 Swamp
SB: 3 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Chains of Mephistopheles
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 2 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
I also switched to a new Testbuild with the Punishing Fire Engine. The current build doesn't need the full Playset, because my meta has more tempo decks (so 3 Abrupt Decay) and combo decks (storm and show&tell). So i aim for a nice surprising action to crush them all.
Some Testslots (compared to Tao's stock build)
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Deathrite Shaman
Kitchen Finks is for a better mana curve and as an additional X-3 Target for Zenith (better against Daze/Pierce). Sadly it isn't a real bomb (or has the power from huntsmaster, so maybe i switch back to another target). But Finks works also good with the next tool: Diabolic Intent. This Spell is also a Testslot, but shut work as an additional and valuable Sac.Outlet for our Explorer. In my theory it shoud fix my "3 instead of 4 Sensei's" Problem. In this case i also cutted 1 Deed. Garruk Relentless is a very flexible Planeswalker and in a 22-lands build i like him more compared to the big one. The single Deathrite Shaman is a swiss army knife and against Tempo and Combo he is a solid (and fast) drop, that either get fast killed or let you profit enough with his abilities.
Sideboard: 1 Gaddock Teeg, 1 Oblivion Ring, 1 Savannah - All Cardchoices aim clearly for a better Combo and Control (like Miracle) Matchup.
// Deck: Punishing Fit (60)
// Lands
1 Badlands
2 Bayou
3 Forest
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Mountain
1 Phyrexian Tower
3 Swamp
1 Taiga
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wooded Foothills
// Creatures
1 Deathrite Shaman
2 Eternal Witness
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Primeval Titan
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Veteran Explorer
// Spells
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Garruk Relentless
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Pernicious Deed
3 Punishing Fire
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Thoughtseize
// Sideboard
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Savannah
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
mhhh ...
is it worth to try out a single natural order in nicfits packing burning wish?
morphing vet, wood elves or a wolf token into primetime or (postboard) something else (progenitus?) and benefiting from all triggers sounds good.
just regardless of the already limited space for the sideboard ... ^_o
if i can get my hands on a cheap natural order i'll try it at sunday's locals.
also (mostly @ralf) the random ooze will start in the maindeck, added for the 3rd huntmaster.
i'll also try out 3 therapy 1 thoughtseize main, with the 4th therapy in the sideboard, hope it'll do well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHerC
Hey ! Nothing big just some "cute" tweaks to fight better against my "combo infested meta" without impacting too much the stock list.
Keep me posted about your results !! Wish you luck because sometimes you need luck to get through 3 S&T...
Natural order is "cute". IMHO.
As we don't have access to brainstorm, drawing into "insert your monster", is "rude". But, if someone want to test that tech, I will likely try with "Worldspine wurm" (with NO in SB, ofc).
Just in case I could, once in my lifetime, trounce hard a S&T player !!!
Talking about tech, I am thinking more and more about including a lone "Karakas" in Scape. I faced the other day a miserable situation where a resolved S&T helped me to put into play my beautiful Prime which had to cope with the mighty Emrakul. That's all she wrote as I died 2 turns later...
Including a lone karakas here improves our S&T MU by 2 cards, either you could have karakas in hand when S&T is played or Primetime to fetch for karakas !!!
Well nothing big but you know the usual blabla about "two birds, one stone".
I'm not in love with DR Shaman because it usually gets killed by cards that would otherwise give you a 2 for 1 like Bolt or Swords or Decay and I think trading like that is a way to rob yourself of a nice free advantage over your opponents. But on the other hand I understand that DR Shaman might be powerful and cheap enough to be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD.Ghost
I like both Diabolic Intent and Garruk Relentless a lot. I will try the 3 Top / 1 Intent setup myself and both Garruks (Relentless and PH) are perfectly viable maindeck choices.
The only choice I don't like is Finks over Huntmaster. Finks are better against Bolt but Huntmaster is better against Swords, Decay and Jace. And if the creature lives and the game stalls then Huntmaster really shines.
Recurring Nightmare with Diabolic Intent is an interaction that I was not aware of to be honest. It was most likely done before but I only catch up to it now. I do like the idea in Punishing Nic Fit and I will try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBrain
I would cut either the Stronghold or the Wolf Run. 22 lands are enough but you need all the colored lands. Another card I would cut is the Faceless Butcher. Maybe a pet card of yours? It just seems so bad. Maybe adding another Witness (really good with Nightmare, too) and a Thoughtseize or a Liliana?
I am not the expert on Scapewish but I think Order was tried and dismissed by quite a couple of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHerC
Correct. I (and others) tried Natural Order as a wish target and it was pretty bad. I suppose that there's some possible hybrid version lurking out there that runs a couple of Orders main and one side to wish for, but then you run into the problem that we have no way to put Progenitals back if we draw him. You'd have to run something like Hoof, which is castable but not usually good enough for our deck. And even then, a sideboard Order suffers from the same problem as things like Haunting Echoes, Tsunami, and From the Ashes -- if you can Wish -> cast NO, why aren't you just winning with Scapeshift instead?