[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by Varal

Who cares about English when you can have Italian for cheaper?

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And people yelled at me for not going for the Italian Moat. Lmao.

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Originally Posted by Varal

Who cares about English when you can have Italian for cheaper?

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Might as well use proxies then

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Originally Posted by raudo

English Nether Void, the Abyss, Library of Alexandria etc have almost doubled their value in two years. Should one buy them now or forget the whole thing..? In two years they will be almost impossible to get if this continues.

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Just traded my Nether Voids away for cards I actually know I'm going to play. I'm not planning on playing Vintage any time soon, do easy decision if you ask me: Vintage or no Vintage?

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Originally Posted by Varal

Who cares about English when you can have Italian for cheaper?

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English, old-boarders preferable, above all else. No foil either. I don't care about the price-difference, I like the nostalgia.

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Originally Posted by Chatto

English, old-boarders preferable, above all else. No foil either. I don't care about the price-difference, I like the nostalgia.

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Okey. That's why in Europe some people prefer Italian, in ~1994-95 not many people here had access to English cards.

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Originally Posted by raudo

English Nether Void, the Abyss, Library of Alexandria etc have almost doubled their value in two years. Should one buy them now or forget the whole thing..? In two years they will be almost impossible to get if this continues.

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One would expect that between announcing the reprint of Port and the mass sellout that is currently going on due to treasure chests + redemption time cut would dent the price of Port on MTGO.

But fuck it, the price went up again. :eyebrow:

I read the first two paragraphs and finally realized that the post had actually nothing to do with prices or reprints

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Originally Posted by JohnGalt

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Is anybody else perturbed that her wedding dress is apparently sheer?

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Originally Posted by Meekrab

Is anybody else perturbed that her wedding dress is apparently sheer?

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I think that's a veil. And besides, her nudity's got nothing on her husband's.

New MTG sets from Return to Ravnica forward are being printed to Oblivion. I think MTG cards are headed towards the same end as 90's baseball cards.

Prices are high on old cards, which spawned this thread. Newer cards, however, will be worthless long term once people figure out that the print runs are too high.

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Originally Posted by dragonwisdom

New MTG sets from Return to Ravnica forward are being printed to Oblivion. I think MTG cards are headed towards the same end as 90's baseball cards.

Prices are high on old cards, which spawned this thread. Newer cards, however, will be worthless long term once people figure out that the print runs are too high.

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Most sets have a handful of cards at best that can pay for the booster, and that's most sets since the beginning of the game. A couple months ago I went through set by set on TCGPlayer and sorted each by price, cutting out anything under $5 or so, and was kinda astonished.

That said, print runs must be astronomical starting with RtR or so. You can get RtR boxes for less than Standard-legal boxes, and RtR is relatively loaded in terms of value; Shock Lands, the "cannot be countered" cycle, Deathrite Shaman, Cyclonic Rift, etc.

I think the "Expedition" series of really expensive reprints at random in every box could do an awful lot to remedy the situation.

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Originally Posted by Begle1

Most sets have a handful of cards at best that can pay for the booster, and that's most sets since the beginning of the game. A couple months ago I went through set by set on TCGPlayer and sorted each by price, cutting out anything under $5 or so, and was kinda astonished.

That said, print runs must be astronomical starting with RtR or so. You can get RtR boxes for less than Standard-legal boxes, and RtR is relatively loaded in terms of value; Shock Lands, the "cannot be countered" cycle, Deathrite Shaman, Cyclonic Rift, etc.

I think the "Expedition" series of really expensive reprints at random in every box could do an awful lot to remedy the situation.

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I tried searching with a random set like apocalypse. Vindicate dropped like a rock in price after the eternal masters reprint. Phyrexian Arena keeps getting reprinted. Whenever, I hear a player say "reprints don't hurt prices", I know they have no idea about supply and demand or they are just trying to be cute. Wotc is currently reprinting chase cards like crazy. Soon most old sets with no reserve list cards will be worthless. The reserve list is the only thing that collectors can have confidence in. (I do think the reserve list is bad for Legacy though) and expeditions are Wotc's attempt to create value out of scarceness rather than playability. And by this I mean, you can collect a masterpiece sol ring as a collector, but buy one as a player for 2.00. The concept of a rookie card does not really exits in MTG outside of Alpha/Beta. Expeditions and Master pieces is Wotc version of it, I think.

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Originally Posted by dragonwisdom

I tried searching with a random set like apocalypse. Vindicate dropped like a rock in price after the eternal masters reprint. Phyrexian Arena keeps getting reprinted. Whenever, I hear a player say "reprints don't hurt prices", I know they have no idea about supply and demand or they are just trying to be cute. Wotc is currently reprinting chase cards like crazy. Soon most old sets with no reserve list cards will be worthless. The reserve list is the only thing that collectors can have confidence in. (I do think the reserve list is bad for Legacy though) and expeditions are Wotc's attempt to create value out of scarceness rather than playability. And by this I mean, you can collect a masterpiece sol ring as a collector, but buy one as a player for 2.00. The concept of a rookie card does not really exits in MTG outside of Alpha/Beta. Expeditions and Master pieces is Wotc version of it, I think.

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Reprints don't hurt prices [of cards that are actually rare].

See ABU/AN/AQ.

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

Reprints don't hurt prices [of cards that are actually rare].

See ABU/AN/AQ.

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reprinting something makes it less rare... you make no sense. If you reprint something enough times it will hurt prices.

The effect that reprints have on the prices of the original versions depends on several factors. For example.

If Wizards reprinted dual lands in large numbers, revised well played duals would take a big hit, alpha duals would probably not be similarly affected.

If Wizards reprinted Goyf in a standard legal set, the value would plummet.

I think there are a couple of factors. Original printings (I'm not aware of any cards that had their first printing be white border outside of P3K), original frames and art tend to be others. Reprints certainly do affect prices though, especially with modern cards.

I think the rookie card comparison is apt for this discussion. ABU/AN/AQ/L versions are always going to be top dollar merchandise; limited in print run, exponential degradation of condition, an ever expanding player base. We can trade any beat revised dual for a late 50's Mickey Mantle card, but you'd be pressed to get a NM rookie card from '52 for anything less than a 9.5 mint Beta Lotus and a reach around. Old school cards will stay hot. Anything after Urzas block will depreciate given enough time.

Who knows what this game will look like in ten years so maybe those mma goyfs will be the new rookie cards because the FS copies are all locked up


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Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual

And people yelled at me for not going for the Italian Moat. Lmao.

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honestly, the quality of the italian printings is far nicer. i don't even mind the teratology that is "STAPpata".

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Originally Posted by apple713

reprinting something makes it less rare... you make no sense. If you reprint something enough times it will hurt prices.

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Really.

Birds of Paradise just got *another* reprint. Alpha and Beta BoP (what I meant by really rare) continue to appreciate in spite of that.