Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
L10
Hi HoneyT, congrats again with your excellent finish. I was wondering why you did not include Reclamation Sage as part of your GSZ package, considering that you have a lone Krosan Grip in your SB. Thanks!
I've simply never found Reclamation Sage necessary. It's not a card I need in my deck game one and Krosan Grip is just a better card to have in post-board games where it's used for very specific things like killing a Batterskull or Top.
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Originally Posted by
ANRoebuck
What's your combo match like with this build? Nicfit is always better against fair decks than against combo, but your build seems particularly skewed. I notice you only played against one combo deck in 15 rounds, and that was one of the two losses. You're low on disruption for game 1 (I know you have Liliana, but it's 3 mana and they choose what to discard). Did you test much against combo? Was there much combo in the room generally or was there a big bias towards creature decks?
No love for Phyrexian Tower? The ability to sac an Explorer to Tower on turn two is, in my view, one of the best reasons to play the deck. Turn two Thragtusk/Zenith for 4/Slaughter Games+Thoughtseize is no laughing matter, especially on the play. Only 1 of your 23 lands doesn't make coloured mana, so I'm sure you could get away with playing a Tower in this list. Plus tapping for colourless isn't terrible in a deck with 25 spells you can use colourless mana on, plus Top to sink it into later.
Golgari Charm straight in the main instead of in the side is a nice move. How did it work out for you?
Do you think all 4 Tops are necessary? The card is crazy good but I've never played more than 3 as I'm generally not spinning early anyway (it doesn't feel proactive enough).
1. I play against combo very frequently in my neck of the woods. I find this version has better combo game than any version but blue due to being able to play Liliana as additional disruption. The fact they choose what to discard is rarely relevant against the critiacal mass decks like Storm especially when I'm Therapying them as well. She also gives us an out to things like Reanimator or Show and Tell. Storm, Dredge, High Tide, Painter I find very favorable. Elves, Sneak and Show, and Reanimator are slightly unfavorable. And of course things like Belcher are unfavorable as well.
2. No. I used to play Tower and I hate it. This deck is less about turbo powering out something than it is about making sure I can cast all my spells. The deck is more color intensive than a lot of lists due to wanting to play Liliana and needing actual red sources for Fires. For every time Tower has been awesome, it's fucked me over way more times. I prefer mana stability to the potential for a T2 Thragtusk.
3. Golgari Charm was fine for that flex slot. Just a metagame call. I feel like a genius since I played against Death and Taxes three times. I expected a lot of Young Pyromancers, Elves, and Death and Taxes so I maindecked a copy. It's rarely totally dead as worse case scenario, I'm blowing up a Counterbalance or Sneak Attack or sometimes nuking Empty the Warrens tokens.
4. Yes. 4 Tops. No less. This is a hard control deck and it's the card I want to see most in my opening hand.
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Originally Posted by
Dissection
I was going to ask this as well. And any thoughts on Volrath's Stronghold? Only having Groves and Wolf Run seems like a little bit of missed opportunity for Prime Time.
Same thing. This deck can't afford tons of colorless lands and Wolf Run is the best. I wouldn't play Tower without Stronghold and vice versa. This deck is a slow, grindy deck. No need to make it slower AND more susceptible to graveyard hate by going for Tower+Stronghold when you can just fucking kill them with Wolf Run. You underestimate how fast a Primeval Titan kills somebody. It doesn't need to trigger more than once or twice for the game to be over.
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Originally Posted by
Zllig
Can anyone give me a good explanation of why 2 Vet/4 Deathrite is the right numbers? I wanna play some Nic Fit soon and wanna run the right stuff. For reference I'm going to play some BUG list with Titania.
It isn't.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Do you guys think that I can cut two lands (going to 20) for the 3rd and 4th Ponder? I find that when I lose, it's very often due to flooding, and the deck actually doesn't need that much mana. This would allow me to cut the miser's Thragtusk (which has been underwhelming) for a 3rd DTT and just overall raise the consistency of the deck which is my main goal at this point, since the list curbstomps everything with a good draw.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Cliq
Do you guys think that I can cut two lands (going to 20) for the 3rd and 4th Ponder? I find that when I lose, it's very often due to flooding, and the deck actually doesn't need that much mana. This would allow me to cut the miser's Thragtusk (which has been underwhelming) for a 3rd DTT and just overall raise the consistency of the deck which is my main goal at this point, since the list curbstomps everything with a good draw.
Cliq post your list so I can take a look. But I think it would be extremely dangerous going to 20 lands in any version of Nic Fit. Hell, Miracles bare minimum land count is 21. How many games have you tested/played where you flooded out and on what turns usually compared to games where you haven't flooded?
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
bryanzoll
Cliq post your list so I can take a look. But I think it would be extremely dangerous going to 20 lands in any version of Nic Fit. Hell, Miracles bare minimum land count is 21. How many games have you tested/played where you flooded out and on what turns usually compared to games where you haven't flooded?
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Baleful Strix
2 Bayou
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Consecrated Sphinx
2 Dig Through Time
4 Force of Will
1 Forest
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
3 Island
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Notion Thief
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Polluted Delta
2 Ponder
2 Swamp
1 Thragtusk
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Veteran Explorer
Sideboard:
1 Abrupt Decay
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Envelop
2 Flusterstorm
2 Pithing Needle
1 Sylvan Library
2 Thoughtseize
1 Thragtusk
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
I'll try 21 and see how it feels. It happened to me four games in a row last night in the midgame, but maybe it was just a bad run of luck.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Cliq
I'll try 21 and see how it feels. It happened to me four games in a row last night in the midgame, but maybe it was just a bad run of luck.
Definitely chalk it up to bad luck especially during turns 4-8. The other thing to take into consideration is how many explorer triggers you were able to resolve turns 1-4. That will usually help thin out the deck as well so you have smoother draws in the mid game. My only concern with dropping your land count right now is that you need to be able to hit 6 mana by turn 5-6 for 2 important reasons...1) to play your 6 drops hopefully a turn early and 2) since you are running pernicious deeds, you NEED to be able to pop a deeds for 3 the turn you play it if needed if you are under pressure from a TNN.
In your list, I would also cut a fetch land or two and add another basic (either island or forest looking at your configuration) just to get about the 6 basic land count mark. I usually run a bare minimum of 7 basics to allow for multiple explorer triggers and to draw / fetch basics.
Also being a more control type deck, have you looked into sensei's divining top? That would also help you out significantly in smoothing out your draws for the mid-game.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
bryanzoll
Definitely chalk it up to bad luck especially during turns 4-8. The other thing to take into consideration is how many explorer triggers you were able to resolve turns 1-4. That will usually help thin out the deck as well so you have smoother draws in the mid game. My only concern with dropping your land count right now is that you need to be able to hit 6 mana by turn 5-6 for 2 important reasons...1) to play your 6 drops hopefully a turn early and 2) since you are running pernicious deeds, you NEED to be able to pop a deeds for 3 the turn you play it if needed if you are under pressure from a TNN.
In your list, I would also cut a fetch land or two and add another basic (either island or forest looking at your configuration) just to get about the 6 basic land count mark. I usually run a bare minimum of 7 basics to allow for multiple explorer triggers and to draw / fetch basics.
Also being a more control type deck, have you looked into sensei's divining top? That would also help you out significantly in smoothing out your draws for the mid-game.
I have 6 basics; I don't think I'd want the 7th. I am tempted to try a few Tops, though. Sylvan Library out of the SB is sickeningly good in the matchups where I can bring it in.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Cliq
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Baleful Strix
2 Bayou
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Consecrated Sphinx
2 Dig Through Time
4 Force of Will
1 Forest
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
3 Island
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Notion Thief
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Polluted Delta
2 Ponder
2 Swamp
1 Thragtusk
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Veteran Explorer
Sideboard:
1 Abrupt Decay
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Envelop
2 Flusterstorm
2 Pithing Needle
1 Sylvan Library
2 Thoughtseize
1 Thragtusk
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
I'll try 21 and see how it feels. It happened to me four games in a row last night in the midgame, but maybe it was just a bad run of luck.
-1 delta, +1 Creeping Tar Pit, imo.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
EpicLevelCommoner
New list with Titania, Rhino, Swagtusk, and Prime Time as bombs.
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Primeval Titan
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Sylvan Library
1 Diabolic Intent
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Toxic Deluge
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Path to Exile
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Verdant Catacomb
4 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Karakas
NEEDS MOAR KOTR
I like the setup of this list, but 4 abrupt decay, 5 swords/path and 4 toxic deluge seems like too much. I would start with -1 path +1 wreck sage, and I think -1 deluge +1 library/council's judgment and -1 swords +1 kotr would probably also be good. If you could somehow find a way to squeeze in more fetches, that would be great as they fuel DRS, KOTR, and titania.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Today iam gonna test to local event JUNK Nic Fit
Lands:
2x Forest
2x Plains
2x Swamp
2x Bayou
1x Savannah
1x Scrubland
4x Verdant Catacombs
4x Windswept Heath
2x Marsh Flats
1x Dryad Arbor
Creatures:
4x Deathrite Shaman
2x Veteran Explorer
4x Stoneforge Mystic
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Eternal Witness
1x Courser of Kruphix
1x Siege Rhino
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
Other:
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Green Sun's Zenith
3x Swords to the Plowshares
3x Abrupt Decay
2x Toxic Deluge
2x Lingering Souls
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Batterskull
2x Sylvan Library
I am not sure with Qasali in main and Eternal witness, she is too slow :/ .
And sigarda like finisher.. i often rather go for rhine to get few lifes then 5/5 hexproof flyer
I appreciate your advice and suggestions
Nargo
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Not gonna lie, Titania, Protector of Argoth is powerful. I would run her in Junk lists for sure (especially since there's no burning wish --> scapeshift combo).
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
firebadmattgood
-1 delta, +1 Creeping Tar Pit, imo.
Don't hate it. Trying this and -2 Ponder +2 Top, will report back.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Does anyone else play punishing nic fit?
I feel alone. Haha
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Ricardio
Does anyone else play punishing nic fit?
I feel alone. Haha
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...-with-Nic-Fit)
In other words, yes. Try reading the last several pages of the thread.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
I've read the whole thread. Saw your heartbreaking story and atm I'm not sure why more people aren't on punishing fire. It's incredible atm. Some of these build are moving from the core of nic fit to something diluted.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Ricardio
I've read the whole thread. Saw your heartbreaking story and atm I'm not sure why more people aren't on punishing fire. It's incredible atm. Some of these build are moving from the core of nic fit to something diluted.
Punishing Fit to me is a very controlish type deck, I prefer mid-range scapewish because if the combo game fails I have very powerful threats on the ground to be dealt with...if I ever fall behind on the ground I can combo people out for 36 damage usually.
I just prefer to have a way to win out of nowhere. It has won me several matches I wouldn't have been able to regularly.
Both Jund colored variants are very strong right now imo. It's just a matter of preference and play style.
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Id like some more substance on titania. In which matchups is she better then the other five drops she competes with the fact that she dies to bolt worries me as well as the fact that her etb trigger can be blocked by deathrites.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
I'm not sold on Titania at all and have strong feelings there just isn't a spot to fit her in.
Maybe it's just me, but there is just too much hype around her and no one is showing evidence of testing and how she actually performed.
Give me concrete evidence and maybe I'd be a little more open.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
HoneyT
In other words, yes. Try reading the last several pages of the thread.
Hi! Really happy of results achieved! As I told you on the other topic I am using a similar list thus it will be interesting to have your feedback on sideboarding with different match-ups.
Additional question: was Massacre really effective? And what about toxic deluge?
I am thinking about bile blight but it might be less effective then TD.
Thanks!
