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I do randomly have them in opening hand but most of the time it is almost irrelevant. Or I mull.
Do you guys feel safe with only one sage? I have found having many more is much more helpful. How many do you guys run? I like having 2-3. I am still undecided on a Wraith or another Sage.
Still one of the only cards to appear in every core set.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_B
I agree not alot of opponents on MWS are worth playing but I do record my stats as far as first turn kill or 4th turn to find out if I'm getting faster kills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuria
As far as narcomoeba's being in the opening hand... I have horrible luck with that also. Usually only 1 though.
I dont play Ichorid on MWS because its a bitch to make so many clicks and also deal with imcompetent people now knowing interactions. Also, people can have infinite card SBs on MWS and can include all the GY hate they want so games 2 and 3 wouldnt really be meaningful...
I wouldn't run more than 1 because how good is it to have him in the opening hand and no way to discard.... it happens. I would prefer street wraith.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_B
Another good reason not to run multiples is because you can dread return cephalid sage then cabal therapy him back to grave and repeat a dread return if you need to. I've done it many times to push farther down so I could get more narcomoebas in play.
Not if you look at the Security Code - if the number isn't 0 or 15, it doesn't show [Type 1.5] at the start of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bovinious
Just wanted you guys to know that I T8ed at the Dutch Legacy Champs (around 110 players or something) with Ichorid. I went completely undefeated in the Swiss and only lost to Chris Wilczek, playing our team aYb's new 4c Hybrid Fish deck in the T4. I will write a (maybe short) report on how things went...
Congratulation! Can we have a decklist, especially: did you play Gamble? I played the deck in Karlsruhe (should have 4/0/0ed, ask Adan, he'll be glad to tell) and I was very happy with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukas Preuss
http://www.kvdeckmasters.nl/Forum/in...2285#msg172285
Here are the Decklists.
Btw Lukas made a 2nd Turn Kill, starting with Land, 2 LED, Putrid Imp and flashbacking 3 Deep Analysis, milling 2 Moeba, and 4 Bridges ;)
Oh, I made some awesome plays throughout the entire day.
No, I didn't play Gamble. I found them not to be necessary and wanted to have the most explosive game 1 possible, so I ran 12 Dredge creatures and 3 Dread Return, 1 Sage, 1 FKZ. This won me many games... I didn't lose a single game 1. I think I will try to give you guys more detailed information in my report.
Btw, Windux, the link doesn't work.
This is the link: http://www.kvdeckmasters.nl/Forum/in...2285#msg172285
Was it really much better with 12 dredgers as opposed to 11? If I was to cut Gamble (which I'm considering), I think I'd add a 2nd Cephalid Sage first for more game 1 consistency.
Oh, the 12th dredger really wasn't that important. I didn't have any problems with 11, but I had that one slot left after cutting Gambles and putting the Sage back in, so I decided to run 12 dredgers.
I don't think the second Sage is necessary, though, because you can just as well flashback Therapy, sac Sage and Dread Return it again. My game 1 was actually pretty explosive, but I guess you cut run the second Sage in that slot and it will probably be just as good.
What about the Street Wraith?
Do you think that he is not necessary for a explosive early turns kill? I tested him in the deck and I'm pretty satisfied, also, it's good because you can feed the Ichorid more often.
Every time I read "Street Wraith," I start trying to sing a variant of the song from Aladdin, redone a la Ichorid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuria
Yet despite these musical linkings, Street Wraith probably isn't worth it in the deck. Not particularly due to any major flaw in the card, but moreso because the deck's quickly running out of slots.
Thats what I think about Wraith also, if the deck had to run 64 cards Street Wraith would be the inclusion but I really cant justify cutting anything for it (and if anyone pulls a BreathWeapon and claims 64 cards is alright while running Wraith they lose a testicle).
I managed to win a 14-man-tournament with this list:
4 Gemstone Mine
4 City of Brass
3 Cephalid Coliseum
1 Tarnished Citadel
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Putrid Imp
4 Breakthrough
4 Narcomoeba
4 Ichorid
4 Bridge from Below
3 Dread Return
1 Cephalid Sage
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
2 Gamble
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Deep Analysis
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Golgari Thug
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4 Leyline of the Void
3 Chalice of the Void
4 Ray of Revelation
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Chain of Vapor
Don't tell me my SB sucks. I know it already.
Conclusions:
- Before the event I considered Gamble to be necessary. However I only used it 2 times in the whole tournament and it didn't win me games I would have lost otherwise.
- Cephalid Sage rocks. Seriously. Sometimes it's good to board out 1 Dread Return, 1 FKZ leaving the Sage in just for its pure explosiveness.
- Ichorid Players get way too lucky, especially when facing IGGy Pop :)
- Why should you think about playing Street Wraith in a 60-card-list with so many better cards around? I don't suggest going to >60 because I want to keep my testicles.
Speaking of awesome plays, I managed to get a turn 1 kill vs Goblins by going double LED -> double Deep Analysis. However there was one which I considered way more awesome:
Quarterfinals, I'm looking at my opponent's decklist, he plays the exact UGb Threshold list of Coppola's article. That means he brings in 4 Jailers (*stares at the lonely Chain of Vapor in my SB*). Damn.
I win game 1 easily, boarding in the 4th Therapy and the Chain. My opponent draws his seven cards and sends them back. I carefully watch him drawing 6 new cards, he says "Keep.". I can tell he's holding a good hand. Damn.
I look at my seven: Mine, Pimp, Therapy, LED, Deep Anal, Troll, Stinkweed Imp. Holy cow, I'm not going to lose this.
He leads with Thoughtseize and stares at my hand for some time, finally going for the Therapy. I play Pimp, flashback Therapy, he forces. Whoa. I play LED, flashback Deep Analysis, dredging a Narcomoeba and another Therapy, which I play taking his Jailer and proceed to win on turn 3 without Dread Return. Now that's awesome.
So what's all this talk about Gamble not being any good? I suppose it isn't very "explosive" at times, but does adding extra Deep Analysis and Dread Returns really help all that much? I'd probably want to run Careful Study if anything.
(This is aimed at Lukas and Brehn mostly, I know the opinions of the regular posters.)
Adding Cephalid Sage helps. I think it should be maindecked if there is a slight chance that your metagame doesn't consist of 100% Threshold, Landstill and MUC. I still can't tell if Gamble is the right choice, as I said i didn't really get a chance to use it in this tournament, so I will need further testing.
In my testing, Dredge regularly smashes every non-combo deck that doesn't pack Leyline.
4 Cephalid Coliseum
4 City of Brass
3 Gemstone Mine
4 Ichorid
4 Bridge from Below
4 Narcomeoba
2 Dread Return
1 Flamekin Zealot
1 Cephalid Sage
4 Thug
4 Stinky
4 Troll
3 Putrid Imp
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Breakthrough
2 Deep Analysis
4 Leyline of the Void
Because I expect the numbers of Dredge to rise significantly in the coming months, I chose to maindeck Leyline.
Not only is it useful against Threshold, Loam decks, Breakfast and various other stuff, it also gives you a free G1 win in the mirror.
Without LED, DA is often useless, and I seldom activate more than twice. 2 copies seem to be fine so far. 2 Dread Return are also enough, because you activate it once for FKZ for the kill, or activate it for the Sage which lets you dredge enough cards to find the second copy.
What I'm not so happy about are the 3 Putrid Imps. I thought about cutting another Gemstone Mine, but that seems a little too risky.
1) What do you think about maindeck Leyline?
2) How do you win the mirror?
My current SB is:
4 Chain of Vapor
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Pithing Needle
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Ray of Revelation
Chain of Vapor has the problem of bouncing your Leyline too, so I don't know what to do here.
Can someone help me with the sideboard?
in a sample sideboard like:
4 Chain of Vapor
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Ray of Revelation
how do u sideboard vs each deck?
thnx.